Our Athletic Department... I mean... Wow.

[RegionWarrior101]

Talk about being able to hang your hat on nothing...

In sports that are on TV, or have some fan support-

The money maker- Football- 2-10, 6-30 over 3 years

2nd money maker- Men's Basketball- Thrilled with a 4th place finish and an inability to make the second round of NCAA tournament

3rd money maker- Women's Basketball?- NCAA champ/Final 4 conversation to a bubble team getting embarrassed in NCAA after finishing dead last in conference last year

4th money maker- Baseball- Big Ten Champs to laughing stock sitting at 4-15.

Not sure where VB would fit in. Maybe that is #4. I guess that is our "premier" athletic team.

I guess we are still strong in golf or swimming. But I am not sure if fans attend those events. I have not received a "renew your golf tickets!" or "pack the pool!" promo yet.

 

[IndySouthsider]

Talk about being able to hang your hat on nothing...

In sports that are on TV, or have some fan support-

The money maker- Football- 2-10, 6-30 over 3 years

2nd money maker- Men's Basketball- Thrilled with a 4th place finish and an inability to make the second round of NCAA tournament

3rd money maker- Women's Basketball?- NCAA champ/Final 4 conversation to a bubble team getting embarrassed in NCAA after finishing dead last in conference last year

4th money maker- Baseball- Big Ten Champs to laughing stock sitting at 4-15.

Not sure where VB would fit in. Maybe that is #4. I guess that is our "premier" athletic team.

I guess we are still strong in golf or swimming. But I am not sure if fans attend those events. I have not received a "renew your golf tickets!" or "pack the pool!" promo yet.

They're not strong in swimming.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

They're not strong in swimming.

I just go by Purdue Sports Twitter posts. Saw something a while back water related. Maybe diving.

Anyway, we, top to bottom, are not strong as an athletic department. Frustrating to think Morgan will have some hand in picking the next one and be allowed to mentor on the job.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Volleyball has been a great program the last 5-7 years...issue is that you can be ranked 20th in the country and be the 7th best team in the conference. B1G is the best volleyball conference in the country and Purdue frequently ranks near the top in average attendance. I would actually venture to at volleyball breaks even...if not generates a small amount of revenue. There is frequently 1000 at their home matches and I think packed 6-8k for their Pack Mackey promo.

I agree that baseball has been pretty poor, but if you look at Schreiber's overall results..he hasn't been terrible. The new stadium probably needs to be accompanied by a new coach soon if he can't get the Boilers back to winning again.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Volleyball has been a great program the last 5-7 years...issue is that you can be ranked 20th in the country and be the 7th best team in the conference. B1G is the best volleyball conference in the country and Purdue frequently ranks near the top in average attendance. I would actually venture to at volleyball breaks even...if not generates a small amount of revenue. There is frequently 1000 at their home matches and I think packed 6-8k for their Pack Mackey promo.

I agree that baseball has been pretty poor, but if you look at Schreiber's overall results..he hasn't been terrible. The new stadium probably needs to be accompanied by a new coach soon if he can't get the Boilers back to winning again.

479-481 with one Big Ten Title? & one NCAA appearance in 18 years is not terrible, but not good. As a state Indiana produces some talent and Indiana seems to be doing well. As nice as that facility is, a decent team could draw 1,000 fans for most games.

So we are a volleyball school. That is what we have come to.

 

[Bigohh]

479-481 with one Big Ten Title? & one NCAA appearance in 18 years is not terrible, but not good. As a state Indiana produces some talent and Indiana seems to be doing well. As nice as that facility is, a decent team could draw 1,000 fans for most games.

So we are a volleyball school. That is what we have come to.

Yep we are SETTLERS. We settle for mediocre sports teams because we like it. How about a straw hat???

 

[BoilerBonz]

Yep we are SETTLERS. We settle for mediocre sports teams because we like it. How about a straw hat???

You nailed it as far as our administration and the BOT are concerned! As for our fans, no, but that explains why we have so few. The few that have stuck around are disgruntled, but most fans (former or potential) have moved on with their lives. This also explains why IU absolutely owns Indy. I probably know 25 Purdue grads for every one Purdue fan I know who even follows PU Athletics, let alone attends games. By "follow," I mean those who simply know whether Purdue played basketball or football the day before and whether PU won or lost. I know only a handful who actually attend a game now and then.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Yep we are SETTLERS. We settle for mediocre sports teams because we like it. How about a straw hat???

I was hoping for a lick from the family lolly.

I can't remember feeling this apathetic to a sports team aside from the post-Jordan Bulls. The Marcus Fizer-Elton Brand-Tyson Chandler-Eddie Curry era. Even the Bears you have some hope for a 9-7 season. Maybe a Wild Card.

 

[BoilerBiker]

479-481 with one Big Ten Title? & one NCAA appearance in 18 years is not terrible, but not good. As a state Indiana produces some talent and Indiana seems to be doing well. As nice as that facility is, a decent team could draw 1,000 fans for most games.

So we are a volleyball school. That is what we have come to.

i'd give him credit since baseball has it's overall challenges just being the big ten, and purdue was on a cubs level drought.
since the big ten title though, they have really fallen off. and unfortunately after the facilities upgrades.

 

[pboiler18]

Another one of these posts. I'm not shocked.

Clearly somebody loses sleep every night over this. Terrible way to go through life.

 

[lbodel]

479-481 with one Big Ten Title? & one NCAA appearance in 18 years is not terrible, but not good. As a state Indiana produces some talent and Indiana seems to be doing well. As nice as that facility is, a decent team could draw 1,000 fans for most games.

So we are a volleyball school. That is what we have come to.

Dramatic much? Yes, the very end of the basketball season sucked, but you can't just sweep aside 26-9, tied for 3rd, BTT Championship game, sold out most games, finished the regular season 10/12, etc. You can't just throw that out the window...

 

[BoilerBonz]

Another one of these posts. I'm not shocked.

Clearly somebody loses sleep every night over this. Terrible way to go through life.

Yes, somebody, but very few, since we have very few fans. And yes, most Purdue alums have figured out that "going through life" as a Purdue fan, or one that actually cares about Ws and Ls, is a terrible way to go, which is, again, why we have very few fans.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Dramatic much? Yes, the very end of the basketball season sucked, but you can't just sweep aside 26-9, tied for 3rd, BTT Championship game, sold out most games, finished the regular season 10/12, etc. You can't just throw that out the window...

I think as a fan, I strive for the "t-shirt wins" as I heard it put one time. Professional teams making a playoff, division title, etc. For a University, achievements you put on a t-shirt. Conference title, conference tournament title, Final 4, Sweet 16. I think my frustration as a fan is not only is the team not winning big, several are literally not winning at all. Hard to be a basketball school when we have not been to the Elite 8 since 2000. 16 years! Have not made it to the 2nd weekend in 6 years. We need to change the culture because I don't see us being particularly "close" in anything.

 

[pboiler18]

Yes, somebody, but very few, since we have very few fans. And yes, most Purdue alums have figured out that "going through life" as a Purdue fan, or one that actually cares about Ws and Ls, is a terrible way to go, which is, again, why we have very few fans.

Here's the problem...you and other grown men haven't realized it's just not that serious. The kids who are playing a game seem to get it but you and an obsessed few others don't. It's hilarious. The daily whining on here has killed the traffic just as much as the poor results.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Here's the problem...you and other grown men haven't realized it's just not that serious. The kids who are playing a game seem to get it but you and an obsessed few others don't. It's hilarious. The daily whining on here has killed the traffic just as much as the poor results.

If that is your attitude we should just go Division 3. If your goal is not to win a championship then go Division 3, don't pay the leaders of these teams millions of dollars, and don't put the product on TV. If you are a staunch "STUDENT athlete" guy then join the Ivy League.

 

[pboiler18]

If that is your attitude we should just go Division 3. If your goal is not to win a championship then go Division 3, don't pay the leaders of these teams millions of dollars, and don't put the product on TV. If you are a staunch "STUDENT athlete" guy then join the Ivy League.

I don't make these decisions. Thank god you don't either. We'd have a new coach every year in every sport!

 

[RegionWarrior101]

I don't make these decisions. Thank god you don't either. We'd have a new coach every year in every sport!

No but we would have one after 6-30 and a 6-30 record that is not making me money putting people in the seats. Absolutely I would have this year. If that is unreasonable then absolutely should we have a club athletics program.

 

[BoilerBonz]

Here's the problem...you and other grown men haven't realized it's just not that serious. The kids who are playing a game seem to get it but you and an obsessed few others don't. It's hilarious. The daily whining on here has killed the traffic just as much as the poor results.

This has to be the most ignorant, hypocritical comment I've read on this board in 15 years. I've not seen any posts on this thread calling for coaches to be fired. The issue is that our Athletic Dept has been mismanaged into the ground by an AD and BOT, who have lost most of our fan base as a result.

And then you pretend to be above it all by lecturing others about getting a life beyond PU Athletics!

First, you have no idea what sort of life anyone on here does, or doesn't have.

Second, do you not see the irony in making your statement on a D1 Athletics board?

The sort of "perspective" you preach is exactly what Purdue has too much of -- i.e., too few fans remaining , with most of the survivors rapidly losing interest.

I suggest you join the Wabash Little Giants board, or perhaps you fancy yourself an Ivy Leaguer?!

 

[RegionWarrior101]

This has to be the most ignorant, hypocritical comment I've read on this board in 15 years. I've not seen any posts on this thread calling for coaches to be fired. The issue is that our Athletic Dept has been mismanaged into the ground by an AD and BOT, who have lost most of our fan base as a result.

And then you pretend to be above it all by lecturing others about getting a life beyond PU Athletics!

First, you have no idea what sort of life anyone on here does, or doesn't have.

Second, do you not see the irony in making your statement on a D1 Athletics board?

The sort of "perspective" you preach is exactly what Purdue has too much of -- i.e., too few fans remaining , with most of the survivors rapidly losing interest.

I suggest you join the Wabash Little Giants board, or perhaps you fancy yourself an Ivy Leaguer?!

You jest, but I wonder if the president, AD, BOT, etc. would prefer the Big Ten to be some Ivy League athletic institution. When the issue of paying players came up, Delaney was quick to be in favor of an Ivy League type scenario for the Big Ten with academics first and foremost. I cannot see Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Penn State OK with the idea of leaving Division 1 football. I hate to say this, but I wonder if Purdue would have 30,000 some students if we did not have Big Ten athletics. I think that is part of the draw; not for the international students, but I think the typical, above average academic kid from Indiana or the Midwest who comes to Purdue views the athletic program as part of the entertainment value. I think if I am a 3.0-3.6 slightly above average to above average student who wants to go to a place to get some life skills and some job skills, the ancillary things would matter; you can go anywhere and get a diploma. What is the school like socially? Is there stuff to do when not in class? The thought process of an 18-22 year old is what can I do for fun? You are away from home for the first time, you can see high level athletics at a reasonable price, I think it is important. When I came down the basketball (beginning of the three-peat 90s) was a draw. There. I said it. "I can go to class, get a degree, and be at these things I see on ESPN (then CBS)? That looks cool. And I can see Big Ten Football 6 Saturdays a year? Awesome."

Wabash has a pretty big commitment to athletics, at least football anyway; following casually I know they have been a regular 10-1 type team, own their rival, made playoffs several consecutive years, and their coach just left for a D1 job so he knows his stuff. Even rival DePauw hired a former Big Ten head coach (as a retirement gig) but still I almost think DePauw has more football credibility in D3 than we do in D1.

 

[boilersallthewaynow]

This has to be the most ignorant, hypocritical comment I've read on this board in 15 years. I've not seen any posts on this thread calling for coaches to be fired. The issue is that our Athletic Dept has been mismanaged into the ground by an AD and BOT, who have lost most of our fan base as a result.

And then you pretend to be above it all by lecturing others about getting a life beyond PU Athletics!

First, you have no idea what sort of life anyone on here does, or doesn't have.

Second, do you not see the irony in making your statement on a D1 Athletics board?

The sort of "perspective" you preach is exactly what Purdue has too much of -- i.e., too few fans remaining , with most of the survivors rapidly losing interest.

I suggest you join the Wabash Little Giants board, or perhaps you fancy yourself an Ivy Leaguer?!

You are precisely correct and the get a life b.s. crowd, often referred to as the Purdue mentality, are the all too tolerant of absolute mediocrity that sustains the pathetic results that define Purdue sports to fandom.

Burke and the Purdue hierarchy have built and maintained the culture of accepting losing and average performance as being normal for Purdue athletics.

 

[Bippus33]

Talk about being able to hang your hat on nothing...

In sports that are on TV, or have some fan support-

The money maker- Football- 2-10, 6-30 over 3 years

2nd money maker- Men's Basketball- Thrilled with a 4th place finish and an inability to make the second round of NCAA tournament

3rd money maker- Women's Basketball?- NCAA champ/Final 4 conversation to a bubble team getting embarrassed in NCAA after finishing dead last in conference last year

4th money maker- Baseball- Big Ten Champs to laughing stock sitting at 4-15.

Not sure where VB would fit in. Maybe that is #4. I guess that is our "premier" athletic team.

I guess we are still strong in golf or swimming. But I am not sure if fans attend those events. I have not received a "renew your golf tickets!" or "pack the pool!" promo yet.

Oh young Jedi..........This is all in my master plan and the philosophy is so complicated that you very dumb fans would never grasp the concept................Morgan

 

[TC4THREE]

Yep we are SETTLERS. We settle for mediocre sports teams because we like it. How about a straw hat???

I get it! "SETTLERS" You know, like the DirecTV commercial. How clever!

 

[pboiler18]

This has to be the most ignorant, hypocritical comment I've read on this board in 15 years. I've not seen any posts on this thread calling for coaches to be fired. The issue is that our Athletic Dept has been mismanaged into the ground by an AD and BOT, who have lost most of our fan base as a result.

And then you pretend to be above it all by lecturing others about getting a life beyond PU Athletics!

First, you have no idea what sort of life anyone on here does, or doesn't have.

Second, do you not see the irony in making your statement on a D1 Athletics board?

The sort of "perspective" you preach is exactly what Purdue has too much of -- i.e., too few fans remaining , with most of the survivors rapidly losing interest.

I suggest you join the Wabash Little Giants board, or perhaps you fancy yourself an Ivy Leaguer?!

Here's the problem with your bitching. It's been crystal clear that there is/was a regime change coming in the AD. What does complaining EVERYDAY like you and Region and company do going to change that? Yes, the past 8 years of Purdue football have been brutal. The problem is, 2 bad decisions in CFB=8 years. You're not going to have an AD hire a coach and then fire him without giving him time. You just have to. If not for the current coaches sake, but for the sake of good faith to show the next guy you are going to hire that he is going to have time to build something and not get jettisoned at the first sign of trouble.

You can cry and whine and bitch all you like but its not changing when Burke retires. So why keep doing it? Once a successor is named, a new course will be charted. Or not....In the end, it has little to no effect on my life. Do I get mad when Purdue loses? Absolutely. Do I get mad when we finish 2-10 and our coach has to check the tape to find out why? Absolutely. Does it ruin my day or even my life? Absolutely NOT....and I don't understand why it has shaken your world up enough that every day you deem it necessary to post the same old tired shit on here every day.

We all know that the BOT doesn't care if we are top end competitive in sports. We all know that Daniels is going to let Burke's tenure play out and then re-adjust. We all know Burke is going to have a huge say in his successor. What does me or you or anybody else bitching about it accomplish? The answer is absolutely nothing. So why keep going? The board has become so negative, it has scared a lot of fans away. They don't want to read the endless drivel the negative nancies post. Sure, its the absolute truth, but if youre on here posting in March, you watched in the fall and don't need some armchair QB to tell you the "truth" in their eyes about the program.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Here's the problem with your bitching. It's been crystal clear that there is/was a regime change coming in the AD. What does complaining EVERYDAY like you and Region and company do going to change that? Yes, the past 8 years of Purdue football have been brutal. The problem is, 2 bad decisions in CFB=8 years. You're not going to have an AD hire a coach and then fire him without giving him time. You just have to. If not for the current coaches sake, but for the sake of good faith to show the next guy you are going to hire that he is going to have time to build something and not get jettisoned at the first sign of trouble.

You can cry and whine and bitch all you like but its not changing when Burke retires. So why keep doing it? Once a successor is named, a new course will be charted. Or not....In the end, it has little to no effect on my life. Do I get mad when Purdue loses? Absolutely. Do I get mad when we finish 2-10 and our coach has to check the tape to find out why? Absolutely. Does it ruin my day or even my life? Absolutely NOT....and I don't understand why it has shaken your world up enough that every day you deem it necessary to post the same old tired shit on here every day.

We all know that the BOT doesn't care if we are top end competitive in sports. We all know that Daniels is going to let Burke's tenure play out and then re-adjust. We all know Burke is going to have a huge say in his successor. What does me or you or anybody else bitching about it accomplish? The answer is absolutely nothing. So why keep going? The board has become so negative, it has scared a lot of fans away. They don't want to read the endless drivel the negative nancies post. Sure, its the absolute truth, but if youre on here posting in March, you watched in the fall and don't need some armchair QB to tell you the "truth" in their eyes about the program.

As an invested partner, JPC member, 22 year season ticket holder, etc. I cannot be furious that they, the higher ups will do nothing to change it? What they are telling me, essentially, they don't care what I think. I lived through Colletto and right now, with 100% certainty, this era now makes Colletto look like Alabama. I hate that I am marginalized by our AD and his puppet masters as being "unreasonable" for wanting more. I guess my boiling point is the now forgone conclusion that it is "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" with the regime change.

Then the topper to see Illinois, someone I would say is our equal, hire an AD who starts making changes from DAY ONE because he knows what was in place was complete garbage, makes me extremely jealous. Will it work there? Maybe but at least he is making a damn effort instead of sitting back and watching the world roll by giving piss poor excuses. They couldn't get rid of a regime fast enough who kicked our @ss at home! If Bill Cubit went 5-7 here, Morgan would have given him an extension and named a damn street for him.

 

[BoilerBonz]

Here's the problem with your bitching. It's been crystal clear that there is/was a regime change coming in the AD. What does complaining EVERYDAY like you and Region and company do going to change that? Yes, the past 8 years of Purdue football have been brutal. The problem is, 2 bad decisions in CFB=8 years. You're not going to have an AD hire a coach and then fire him without giving him time. You just have to. If not for the current coaches sake, but for the sake of good faith to show the next guy you are going to hire that he is going to have time to build something and not get jettisoned at the first sign of trouble.

You can cry and whine and bitch all you like but its not changing when Burke retires. So why keep doing it? Once a successor is named, a new course will be charted. Or not....In the end, it has little to no effect on my life. Do I get mad when Purdue loses? Absolutely. Do I get mad when we finish 2-10 and our coach has to check the tape to find out why? Absolutely. Does it ruin my day or even my life? Absolutely NOT....and I don't understand why it has shaken your world up enough that every day you deem it necessary to post the same old tired shit on here every day.

We all know that the BOT doesn't care if we are top end competitive in sports. We all know that Daniels is going to let Burke's tenure play out and then re-adjust. We all know Burke is going to have a huge say in his successor. What does me or you or anybody else bitching about it accomplish? The answer is absolutely nothing. So why keep going? The board has become so negative, it has scared a lot of fans away. They don't want to read the endless drivel the negative nancies post. Sure, its the absolute truth, but if youre on here posting in March, you watched in the fall and don't need some armchair QB to tell you the "truth" in their eyes about the program.

First, one doesn't have to go through life as a passive observer. Pressure on administrators and the BOT matters, and if we get off our tails and start demanding change, the odds of it increase. The BOT will care about success in athletics when donors and alums demand that PU at least try to be competitive in the B1G. We are already seeing and hearing signs of this.

Second, I don't post about this EVERYDAY, nor do many others here. I've been a member on this board for over 14 years and have a little over 1500 posts, which is in the ball park of 2 per week. You, on the other hand, have been a member for less than 2 years, and you have over 1200 posts. So that's almost 2 per day. I suggest you work harder at emphasizing quality over quantity.

 

[pboiler18]

First, one doesn't have to go through life as a passive observer. Pressure on administrators and the BOT matters, and if we get off our tails and start demanding change, the odds of it increase. The BOT will care about success in athletics when donors and alums demand that PU at least try to be competitive in the B1G. We are already seeing and hearing signs of this.

Second, I don't post about this EVERYDAY, nor do many others here. I've been a member on this board for over 14 years and have a little over 1500 posts, which is in the ball park of 2 per week. You, on the other hand, have been a member for less than 2 years, and you have over 1200 posts. So that's almost 2 per day. I suggest you work harder at emphasizing quality over quantity.

I'll work on not discussing the same thing in thread after thread. I suggest the rest of the negative Nancy crew do the same.

You'll be here bitching next time we get to 8-9 wins complianing it wasn't 10 and that Alabama or some blue blood would have done better.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

I'll work on not discussing the same thing in thread after thread. I suggest the rest of the negative Nancy crew do the same.

You'll be here bitching next time we get to 8-9 wins complianing it wasn't 10 and that Alabama or some blue blood would have done better.

8-9 wins? In a season? It could take Darrell Hazell 4 years to win 8. Since Jim Young, 36 years, we have won 8+ SIX times. S-i-x. For every 1 time we did, 5 we did not.

I don't think it is negative Nancy, although I am not positive on Morgan's toadette Nancy Cross either.

Seriously what it is would be REALITY. The reality is we are not good... And have not been good as an entire department for years. The engine, football, is the biggest part of the problem. Morgan oopsed his way into Tiller and followed it up with the DHs. We are getting a change so now is the time.

 

[pboiler18]

Seriously what it is would be REALITY. The reality is we are not good... And have not been good as an entire department for years. The engine, football, is the biggest part of the problem. Morgan oopsed his way into Tiller and followed it up with the DHs. We are getting a change so now is the time.

IF every board member got $5 for each time this was posted on the board, we could cumulatively cure world hunger.

It's up to the next guy to fix it. We all know Burke was more fixated on balancing the budget than running an AD that won. Everybody wanted heads to roll with ADs and HCs but IMO, firing Hazell after last year was quite silly....I didn't want MB hiring the next coach and it was VERY clearly abundant he was going to be the AD until mandatory retirement.

The next guy has a chance to make a splash. Make a key FB hire and pull us out of this....or languish in the abyss until we are kicked out of the BIG. IMO, the downfall of the program is clear. Bitching about it isn't going to change anything. Change is coming to the top, and hopefully it has a great trickle down effect. IF not and it's more of the same, i'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

 

[BoilerBonz]

IF every board member got $5 for each time this was posted on the board, we could cumulatively cure world hunger.

It's up to the next guy to fix it. We all know Burke was more fixated on balancing the budget than running an AD that won. Everybody wanted heads to roll with ADs and HCs but IMO, firing Hazell after last year was quite silly....I didn't want MB hiring the next coach and it was VERY clearly abundant he was going to be the AD until mandatory retirement.

The next guy has a chance to make a splash. Make a key FB hire and pull us out of this....or languish in the abyss until we are kicked out of the BIG. IMO, the downfall of the program is clear. Bitching about it isn't going to change anything. Change is coming to the top, and hopefully it has a great trickle down effect. IF not and it's more of the same, i'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

You oversimplify the views of others here. The typical "knuckleheads" may think Tiller should have been fired in '06 and/or Hazzell should/could have been fired w/o replacing Burke. But those who are really paying attention know that HCs haven't been the fundamental problem. It's hard even to blame DH1 when one considers that he was hired only because he was cheap. The problem has been the AD and BOT. So, yes, now the AD is going, but that doesn't mean we should all sit back and assume the BOT will do the right thing, especially given that all along they've been a bigger problem than the AD. The call for a fundamental change in approach can't be stated often enough. And if you're tired of reading that, then don't! You don't seem to care much, anyway.

 

[cjf04]

Here's the problem...you and other grown men haven't realized it's just not that serious. The kids who are playing a game seem to get it but you and an obsessed few others don't. It's hilarious. The daily whining on here has killed the traffic just as much as the poor results.

I don't understand why you take time out of your day to respond on a Purdue sports message board and then criticize people for caring too much....absolutely no logic here....none, maybe Purdue fans as a whole are too stupid to have sports programs...I shouldn't have to share air with you.

 

[pboiler18]

I don't understand why you take time out of your day to respond on a Purdue sports message board and then criticize people for caring too much....absolutely no logic here....none, maybe Purdue fans as a whole are too stupid to have sports programs...I shouldn't have to share air with you.

How is coming to the Purdue board during spring practice caring too much? I was hoping to come read snippets of what's happening. Instead I hear the same dead horse being beat from November. Do I care too much? Definitely yes...especially for how bad we are.

Am I unhealthily obsessed like some of the petulant children on here? Hardly.

 

[pboiler18]

You oversimplify the views of others here. The typical "knuckleheads" may think Tiller should have been fired in '06 and/or Hazzell should/could have been fired w/o replacing Burke. But those who are really paying attention know that HCs haven't been the fundamental problem. It's hard even to blame DH1 when one considers that he was hired only because he was cheap. The problem has been the AD and BOT. So, yes, now the AD is going, but that doesn't mean we should all sit back and assume the BOT will do the right thing, especially given that all along they've been a bigger problem than the AD. The call for a fundamental change in approach can't be stated often enough. And if you're tired of reading that, then don't! You don't seem to care much, anyway.

I fully understand what the issue is/was and I mentioned the BOT a few times earlier in the thread. Before you drive yourself crazy over it, you have to realize that a new AD only fixes some of the issues but the view of the BOT is far out of your hands and mine.

Once you do realize that Purdue athletics are what they are, you won't have to waste minutes, hours or even days typing the same thing over and over on here.

Yes, I want Purdue athletics to be better. Much better. I fully understand why they won't ever be though. My support has FAR scaled back since realizing this (not donating to or traveling to see a loser) but I'm not going to stop being a fan.

I think this is a healthy and rational view of fandom. Not this attack anything and anyone who is involved with the current state of Purdue athletics. Doesn't the hatred become tired. Ever get old?

 

[BoilerBiker]

Yes, I want Purdue athletics to be better. Much better. I fully understand why they won't ever be though.

didn't fans of other schools probably think the same in the past?
what about the dramatic rise of baylor in recent years? all major sports, not just football.
what about tcu's success? they even overcame the massive hurdle of finally becoming a power five school.
(i realize they're both private schools but i think that may prove even more that any program does have the opportunity to be successful. being in texas surely helped for the football aspect though).

 

[BoilerBonz]

I fully understand what the issue is/was and I mentioned the BOT a few times earlier in the thread. Before you drive yourself crazy over it, you have to realize that a new AD only fixes some of the issues but the view of the BOT is far out of your hands and mine.

Once you do realize that Purdue athletics are what they are, you won't have to waste minutes, hours or even days typing the same thing over and over on here.

Yes, I want Purdue athletics to be better. Much better. I fully understand why they won't ever be though. My support has FAR scaled back since realizing this (not donating to or traveling to see a loser) but I'm not going to stop being a fan.

I think this is a healthy and rational view of fandom. Not this attack anything and anyone who is involved with the current state of Purdue athletics. Doesn't the hatred become tired. Ever get old?

First, this thread hasn't been primarily about the same old dead horse from November; that is, firing DH2. That wasn't possible with MB still in place, as you and I agree upon. This thread has mainly been about the failures of the AD and BOT. The failure of the former is particularly relevant now that we have an exit plan in place for MB, and a search committee has been formed to hire a new AD. So this discussion is timely and relevant. And while I too am interested in spring practice, in the large scheme of things, following spring practice amounts to watching the rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic. It matters little if the fundamental issues aren't addressed with the new AD and the BOT.

Second, I disagree that the fan base has no influence with the BOT. I've been a Purdue fan long enough to know that our President and BOT were not always satisfied with just fielding a team. And I don't accept that it has to be this way indefinitely. Although it will be a lot easier for the BOT to persist with its ineptitude if enough alums and fans stay passive, as apparently you've chosen to do.

What I don't get is why it irritates you so that others aren't as willing as you to just sit back and take it?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

First, this thread hasn't been primarily about the same old dead horse from November; that is, firing DH2. That wasn't possible with MB still in place, as you and I agree upon. This thread has mainly been about the failures of the AD and BOT. The failure of the former is particularly relevant now that we have an exit plan in place for MB, and a search committee has been formed to hire a new AD. So this discussion is timely and relevant. And while I too am interested in spring practice, in the large scheme of things, following spring practice amounts to watching the rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic. It matters little if the fundamental issues aren't addressed with the new AD and the BOT.

Second, I disagree that the fan base has no influence with the BOT. I've been a Purdue fan long enough to know that our President and BOT were not always satisfied with just fielding a team. And I don't accept that it has to be this way indefinitely. Although it will be a lot easier for the BOT to persist with its ineptitude if enough alums and fans stay passive, as apparently you've chosen to do.

What I don't get is why it irritates you so that others aren't as willing as you to just sit back and take it?

If bad football is inevitable, you might as well just sit back and enjoy it.

 

[pboiler18]

First, this thread hasn't been primarily about the same old dead horse from November; that is, firing DH2. That wasn't possible with MB still in place, as you and I agree upon. This thread has mainly been about the failures of the AD and BOT. The failure of the former is particularly relevant now that we have an exit plan in place for MB, and a search committee has been formed to hire a new AD. So this discussion is timely and relevant. And while I too am interested in spring practice, in the large scheme of things, following spring practice amounts to watching the rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic. It matters little if the fundamental issues aren't addressed with the new AD and the BOT.

Second, I disagree that the fan base has no influence with the BOT. I've been a Purdue fan long enough to know that our President and BOT were not always satisfied with just fielding a team. And I don't accept that it has to be this way indefinitely. Although it will be a lot easier for the BOT to persist with its ineptitude if enough alums and fans stay passive, as apparently you've chosen to do.

What I don't get is why it irritates you so that others aren't as willing as you to just sit back and take it?

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Because literally nothing I say or do is going to change it. I've already stopped buying tickets and donating. I've already written the requisite hate mail to Burke/Daniels. They don't care, so why should I? I'll hope against hope the football team gets better but if not, there are plenty of teams out there playing good football I can watch instead.

It hurts that it's not my favorite team, but i'mnot going to throw a 365 days a year public pity party on a message board about it.

It's clear what needs to happen for us to be competitive again. It wether admin steps up to make it happen that this totally depends on. Even from there I think we can hire a great coach (no, I don't think we've had one for 10+ years) and there are still factors here at Purdue that will lead him to likely less success than at one of our other conference insttiutions.

I've said it a lot this year...just look at some of our games. There's a lot less distance between Purdue @ 2-10 and MSU @11-2 than there is from MSU to say Alabama.

I don't think it's going to take much more than a commitment to winning and a good coaching hire to get us back to bowls.

That said, I think it will take a literal act of congress or maybe a natural disaster separating the southern US from the rest of the country for Purdue to ever compete on the elite national stage.

Call me a realist, but I think this AD is far from cooked...it's just going to need a real philosophy and good admin and coaches to get back to respectable.

 

[indianphil]

Put the three skunks together...BOT, President and AD and then take it back 40 years!

 

[indianphil]

One time, I would like the entire BOT go to the 50 yardline and thank each and every one of the fans present at a home football game!

 

[TMA62]

Question: What is the current relationship between JPC and the Athletic Dept.? Is it good, ok, strained?

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Question: What is the current relationship between JPC and the Athletic Dept.? Is it good, ok, strained?

Isn't the JPC and the athletic department the same thing? JPC funds the athletic department- they are intermingled. I would have to imagine JPC membership has taken a hit especially with the younger members. If money is tight, it is hard to support a bad operation.