How long can Boiler Basketball avoid being portaled?

[Boiler Buck]

That’s great to hear. I am confident that if nobody leaves and everyone stays healthy, 25-26 is going to be a season to remember.

Glad our NIL abilities are great. And having his senior season in itself will be memorable as he sets records!

But team - year to remember? We really have no basis to say that a healthy DJ will make a difference between 7-10 losses this year....and 3-4 loss B10 championship/FF next year. Hope he is that difference?? But that is yet to be seen... As well as can he make it through a full season??

(I realize there will be experience gained, a new guard, but other teams gain that too....so that's probably a wash.)

There needs to be a starter type 4/5 portal addition before I will have that kind of optimism. So for me will see.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Glad our NIL abilities are great. And having his senior season in itself will be memorable as he sets records!

But team - year to remember? We really have no basis to say that a healthy DJ will make a difference between 7-10 losses this year....and 3-4 loss B10 championship/FF next year. Hope he is that difference?? But that is yet to be seen... As well as can he make it through a full season??

(I realize there will be experience gained, a new guard, but other teams gain that too....so that's probably a wash.)

There needs to be a starter type 4/5 portal addition before I will have that kind of optimism. So for me will see.

I think one could argue that the jump of Harris and cox, along with burgess would be a huge contributing factor to our success next year. Add that to Smith, Loyer and TKR being one of the best (hopefully) big 3 in the country with a bit of a jump from heide and Colvin and a healthy 7’4 kid, I think it’s safe to say we d be considered top 5.

But I also agree that having 2-4 guys who are 2 or 3 year guys already, would help out greatly.

 

[Dryfly88]

I may have missed it in this thread, but I don't think anyone has talked about the revenue sharing that will start in Spring of 2025. Each school will be able to "share" $20.5 million spread across all athletic programs. Bobinsky has committed that PU will be using all 20.5m. Now I'm pretty sure all, if not most, of the B1G will also be doing that, but not every D1 school will be able to match that amount. So it does give the bigger spending schools some more advantage starting next year.

 

[purduedavie]

I agree that you have the Standford, Texas, Penn State, Wisky Nebraska's dominating but teams like Louisville, Pitt, Kentucky, etc. have also broken through at times. It's definitely not like MBB where it seems that there's a wider range of teams with a legitimate chance to win it, but with Purdue's recruiting they seemed to have a shot at making that leap. Obviously it didn't happen this season and this will be difficult to deal with.

Louisville I’m reading has pretty deep pockets for Volleyball, Pitt has become dominate lately, KY has won a title and is usually good. I’d put Purdue on par with KY though, I still think that even if these players leave Purdue will bring in good ones from the portal, there’s money to be made playing Purdue volleyball, lots of adoring fans and seemingly a little money from the collective or whatever Shondell brings in from donations.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Glad our NIL abilities are great. And having his senior season in itself will be memorable as he sets records!

But team - year to remember? We really have no basis to say that a healthy DJ will make a difference between 7-10 losses this year....and 3-4 loss B10 championship/FF next year. Hope he is that difference?? But that is yet to be seen... As well as can he make it through a full season??

(I realize there will be experience gained, a new guard, but other teams gain that too....so that's probably a wash.)

There needs to be a starter type 4/5 portal addition before I will have that kind of optimism. So for me will see.

By team to remember, I am not saying that I can predict the NCAA Tournament, but I see next year’s team as a #1 or #2 seed and a national championship contender. An extra year of experience in the system for the younger players should have a huge impact as it typically does.

I do think that DJ will have a very big impact. We got a glimpse of his talent and he can play for sure. An extra year of adding some weight will serve him well as well.

My expectation is that Heide and Colvin will benefit greatly from the experience that they are gaining this year and I expect that both will come back with improved ball handling and ability to attack the basket next year. These guys are both freak athletes with great frames and the ability to shoot. I think that they both are going to continue to develop into tremendous wings with Heide being also able to play the 4.

Just as significantly, Harris and Cox will be sophomores. Both are come along nicely as freshman, but should be far more equipped to lighten Braden’s load as sophomores.

I also see Burgess improving. He is a big strong willing player with a great frame and the ability to shoot. I think that he just needs time.

Of course, the core of Smith, Loyer, and TKR should also be improved, but I see them each having to carry a little less of the load as their teammates step up.

My expectations for this season are managed as I see it as a big adjustment year, post Edey, but I see great things for next season if everyone is back and healthy. It will be a complete, well-constructed team.

 

[Ihaveswag29]

I believe Braden makes over 2 million now not counting merchandise. Purdue pays as well as most but there are some with deep pockets. Game has changed.

Not doubting you, but source? Haven't heard that before.

 

[Boiler Buck]

By team to remember, I am not saying that I can predict the NCAA Tournament, but I see next year’s team as a #1 or #2 seed and a national championship contender. An extra year of experience in the system for the younger players should have a huge impact as it typically does.

I do think that DJ will have a very big impact. We got a glimpse of his talent and he can play for sure. An extra year of adding some weight will serve him well as well.

My expectation is that Heide and Colvin will benefit greatly from the experience that they are gaining this year and I expect that both will come back with improved ball handling and ability to attack the basket next year. These guys are both freak athletes with great frames and the ability to shoot. I think that they both are going to continue to develop into tremendous wings with Heide being also able to play the 4.

Just as significantly, Harris and Cox will be sophomores. Both are come along nicely as freshman, but should be far more equipped to lighten Braden’s load as sophomores.

I also see Burgess improving. He is a big strong willing player with a great frame and the ability to shoot. I think that he just needs time.

Of course, the core of Smith, Loyer, and TKR should also be improved, but I see them each having to carry a little less of the load as their teammates step up.

My expectations for this season are managed as I see it as a big adjustment year, post Edey, but I see great things for next season if everyone is back and healthy. It will be a complete, well-constructed team.

Right now we have 3 difference makers. That will likely be a 7-11 loss team.

I will share your optimism if we add a for sure difference maker 4/5 through the portal......to the maybe of DJ and the maybe experience might get us another consistent difference maker.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Right now we have 3 difference makers. That will likely be a 7-11 loss team.

I will share your optimism if we add a for sure difference maker 4/5 through the portal......to the maybe of DJ and the maybe experience might get us another consistent difference maker.

Call me crazy, but I absolutely expect that by this time next year, Cam Heide will be thought of as a difference maker.

 

[Wolegib]

If Braden was all about the money, he could have gone to Gonzaga after his freshman year. I’m confident many schools tried their best to lure him away after last year as well. If he does leave Purdue, I highly doubt it will be for an increased amount of NIL. He’s making a very good salary playing basketball at Purdue.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Are they shelling out $ to recruits and transfers instead of the current roster?

Sounds like neither. Don’t think VB is getting much of the $20.5 revenue… almost all going to FB and Men’s BB.

 

[bonefish1]

By team to remember, I am not saying that I can predict the NCAA Tournament, but I see next year’s team as a #1 or #2 seed and a national championship contender. An extra year of experience in the system for the younger players should have a huge impact as it typically does.

I do think that DJ will have a very big impact. We got a glimpse of his talent and he can play for sure. An extra year of adding some weight will serve him well as well.

My expectation is that Heide and Colvin will benefit greatly from the experience that they are gaining this year and I expect that both will come back with improved ball handling and ability to attack the basket next year. These guys are both freak athletes with great frames and the ability to shoot. I think that they both are going to continue to develop into tremendous wings with Heide being also able to play the 4.

Just as significantly, Harris and Cox will be sophomores. Both are come along nicely as freshman, but should be far more equipped to lighten Braden’s load as sophomores.

I also see Burgess improving. He is a big strong willing player with a great frame and the ability to shoot. I think that he just needs time.

Of course, the core of Smith, Loyer, and TKR should also be improved, but I see them each having to carry a little less of the load as their teammates step up.

My expectations for this season are managed as I see it as a big adjustment year, post Edey, but I see great things for next season if everyone is back and healthy. It will be a complete, well-constructed team.

You might be the most optimistic Purdue fan of all time.
You're assuming none of our guys enter the portal. You're assuming every player makes a jump in development (which we've seen is only the case about 50% of the time). You relying on a 7'4 underweight, injury prone sophomore who has no experience to secure the 5 spot.

I think we have gaps in at least 2 starting spots, maybe 3. I think Painter needs to hit the portal for 2 potential starters.

 

[Purdue58]

Because we are filled with old school folks who just want to complain about how much better it was in the old days instead of getting with the new way and embracing it.

It's not like we don't have plenty of money both from alumni and being in the Big 10.

I’m one of the old guys, but I’d take $1 million any day.
How long is it gonna be till it hits the high school level?

 

[Bleedinggoldandblack]

NBCA. National Basketball of College Athletes ....Pay to play , Buy yourself a FF team , use to be a game of heart. I guess it still is heart just when you go back to apartment/dorm instead of looking at your checkbook with $5.00 dollars in it and you can get Macdonald s Sunday night instead of dorm food you can look at your account and go , well , I ll never have to get a job after college...cool, let's go out for steak.

 

[Bleedinggoldandblack]

Post 2 we need a Lance and someone athletic and mean under center

 

[qazplm]

You might be the most optimistic Purdue fan of all time.
You're assuming none of our guys enter the portal. You're assuming every player makes a jump in development (which we've seen is only the case about 50% of the time). You relying on a 7'4 underweight, injury prone sophomore who has no experience to secure the 5 spot.

I think we have gaps in at least 2 starting spots, maybe 3. I think Painter needs to hit the portal for 2 potential starters.

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.
I do think we have a lot of young talent. I think it unlikely anyone leaves from the core 3. I think DJ is a very good player.

I also think we are thin at frontcourt depth, that we can't expect everyone who shows flashes to automatically progress to stardom, and that a backup big and maybe another Jones type is the difference between a Sweet 16 to Final 4 type squad.

The team as constituted could make a final 4, but you'd need a pretty narrow slice: no injuries, everyone develops, no departures. That's a bit inside straight.

 

[Dryfly88]

Sounds like neither. Don’t think VB is getting much of the $20.5 revenue… almost all going to FB and Men’s BB.

The revenue sharing doesn't start until spring 2025. But you're right, most of it will go to those 2 sports.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

The revenue sharing doesn't start until spring 2025. But you're right, most of it will go to those 2 sports.

2025 is the next VB season. Those promises are being made now.

 

[RossMackey]

I agree that you have the Standford, Texas, Penn State, Wisky Nebraska's dominating but teams like Louisville, Pitt, Kentucky, etc. have also broken through at times. It's definitely not like MBB where it seems that there's a wider range of teams with a legitimate chance to win it, but with Purdue's recruiting they seemed to have a shot at making that leap. Obviously it didn't happen this season and this will be difficult to deal with.

I’m admittedly ignorant about women’s’ VB, Shondell always seemed to be a pretty astute guy….

He seemed to have a solid culture in place —is there really no money for Hudson and Ciccone?? Both appeared to embrace the culture at Purdue .

 

[RossMackey]

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.
I do think we have a lot of young talent. I think it unlikely anyone leaves from the core 3. I think DJ is a very good player.

I also think we are thin at frontcourt depth, that we can't expect everyone who shows flashes to automatically progress to stardom, and that a backup big and maybe another Jones type is the difference between a Sweet 16 to Final 4 type squad.

The team as constituted could make a final 4, but you'd need a pretty narrow slice: no injuries, everyone develops, no departures. That's a bit inside straight.

I’d like to think a particular strength of what CMP has in place at Purdue is a pretty straightforward sales pitch to potential recruits — an ultimate meritocracy, where if you develop and produce, top-shelf competition and visibility await you— along with the $$, and the NBA pedigree preparation will be there for you in spades…

Will there be players who bolt for what they think will be greener pastures? sure, but IMO this will be mitigated by those who buy in, and who flourish— both financially and in terms of development for the next level

 

[Bank Shot Podcast]

I’d like to think a particular strength of what CMP has in place at Purdue is a pretty straightforward sales pitch to potential recruits — an ultimate meritocracy, where if you develop and produce, top-shelf competition and visibility await you— along with the $$, and the NBA pedigree preparation will be there for you in spades…

Will there be players who bolt for what they think will be greener pastures? sure, but IMO this will be mitigated by those who buy in, and who flourish— both financially and in terms of development for the next level

Problem for Purdue is, other places have the same. Come here, you can develop and go to the league and at a higher rate than Purdue. Or the elite of places who can get guys there quicker. Getting to the NBA isn't a big pitch at Purdue. That's a pitch for Kentucky and Duke.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Problem for Purdue is, other places have the same. Come here, you can develop and go to the league and at a higher rate than Purdue. Or the elite of places who can get guys there quicker. Getting to the NBA isn't a big pitch at Purdue. That's a pitch for Kentucky and Duke.

Terrible argument. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

 

[RossMackey]

Problem for Purdue is, other places have the same. Come here, you can develop and go to the league and at a higher rate than Purdue. Or the elite of places who can get guys there quicker. Getting to the NBA isn't a big pitch at Purdue. That's a pitch for Kentucky and Duke.

Wrong yet again…

You’re unable to grasp what I wrote—Painter himself has explained countless times how decorated high school talent has passed on Purdue be cause CMP WOULD NOT guarantee them a starting role.

Purdue just witnessed this exact thing with Catchings for crissake!

My apologies—I keep forgetting that you don’t know much about basketball…

 

[RossMackey]

Wrong yet again…

You’re unable to grasp what I wrote—Painter himself has explained countless times how decorated high school talent has passed on Purdue be cause CMP WOULD NOT guarantee them a starting role.

Purdue just witnessed this exact thing with Catchings for crissake!

My apologies—I keep forgetting that you don’t know much about basketball…

Do us a favor, Wrong Shot, and google the word “meritocracy “

Let us know when the dim bulb in your frontal cortex flickers on.

 

[Gman544]

Just trying to remember. How many Purdue Painter era players had real NBA careers, more than a minute. Etwaun,it appears Ivey and Zach. Who else can he point to over the 20 years?

 

[pubill]

Just trying to remember. How many Purdue Painter era players had real NBA careers, more than a minute. Etwaun,it appears Ivey and Zach. Who else can he point to over the 20 years?

Landry

 

[Bank Shot Podcast]

Terrible argument. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

What NBA argument does Purdue have that they can pitch against other schools?

 

[Bank Shot Podcast]

Just trying to remember. How many Purdue Painter era players had real NBA careers, more than a minute. Etwaun,it appears Ivey and Zach. Who else can he point to over the 20 years?

That would be it. Swanigan and Edwards had very small stints. The NBA just isn't a topic point for Painter. Development and winning a Big Ten championship? Those are talking points.

Landry was his first. A Keady recruit but had two years under Painter. Hell of a mid range game.

 

[Roeder]

Wrong yet again…

You’re unable to grasp what I wrote—Painter himself has explained countless times how decorated high school talent has passed on Purdue be cause CMP WOULD NOT guarantee them a starting role.

Purdue just witnessed this exact thing with Catchings for crissake!

My apologies—I keep forgetting that you don’t know much about basketball…

FYI

So far against a very weak schedule Catchings is starting and averaging 10 points and 3 rebounds in 25 mins on a very inefficient 37%FG/ 47%FT/ 29% 3PTFG.

Do I still wish Purdue had the talented Freshman? Yes, of course

Was Painter right in not promising a physically weak Freshman a starting role?Still TBD, but right now he appears to be struggling a bit( To be fair not sure about intangibles since I don't watch BYU).

 

[ChoiceBeef]

You relying on a 7'4 underweight, injury prone sophomore who has no experience to secure the 5 spot.

Dude experienced one freak injury and he is injury prone?

By the same logic Sully Sullenberger - was a crash prone pilot.

Do I understand your overarching thesis? Sure but let’s pull back on the reigns on the superfluous analogies.

 

[Blimpy]

What NBA argument does Purdue have that they can pitch against other schools?

WINNING!

 

[Boiler Buck]

WINNING!

LOL
Pretty simple isn't it.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

What NBA argument does Purdue have that they can pitch against other schools?

I don’t have time to educate the clueless.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

What NBA argument does Purdue have that they can pitch against other schools?

Wait, are you being serious? Any of the guys that went to IU prior to getting to the nba, maybe besides yogi, were already being thought of as nba prospects and would have more than likely got there regardless of being at IU or not.

Purdue can say they develop you and can get you into the nba….hell even to be a lottery pick. Zach and Ivey were from the same class and were lotto picks in case you werent informed.

Man you are a good troll at least but if you’re not trolling, I just don’t understand your logic in pretty much anything you say here.

 

[bonefish1]

Wrong yet again…

You’re unable to grasp what I wrote—Painter himself has explained countless times how decorated high school talent has passed on Purdue be cause CMP WOULD NOT guarantee them a starting role.

Purdue just witnessed this exact thing with Catchings for crissake!

My apologies—I keep forgetting that you don’t know much about basketball…

I've seen this offered several times as a reason a recruit didn't choose Purdue. Can you provide a link to a quote or video where Painter explicitly said that he wouldn't guarantee a kid a starting role and that's why he didn't land him.

I'm not talking about what are inferring, what you think Painter is implying, or reading between the lines. I'm looking for the specific language.

 

[bonefish1]

Dude experienced one freak injury and he is injury prone?

By the same logic Sully Sullenberger - was a crash prone pilot.

Do I understand your overarching thesis? Sure but let’s pull back on the reigns on the superfluous analogies.

a 7'4 string bean with a serious leg injury is someone I would be very cautious about in terms of his ability to avoid injury in the future.
Maybe he heals up perfectly, but big man leg injuries are worrisome.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I've seen this offered several times as a reason a recruit didn't choose Purdue. Can you provide a link to a quote or video where Painter explicitly said that he wouldn't guarantee a kid a starting role and that's why he didn't land him.

I'm not talking about what are inferring, what you think Painter is implying, or reading between the lines. I'm looking for the specific language.

“If that timeline involved the guarantee of a big 2024-25 role in which to showcase his talents, Painter was not inclined to change a long-standing practice of letting those situations play out organically.

"I think every freshman that comes in has those uncertain thoughts," Painter said. "But you know, you compete and earn your way into a role. I can't anoint a role to somebody out of thin air. You walk in, you compete.”

Purdue's Matt Painter on Kanon Catchings' exit: 'I can't anoint a role to somebody out of thin air.'

"It's just one of those deals where he was concerned about his role," Matt Painter said of Kanon Catchings' departure for BYU.

www.indystar.com

'Just be a truth teller.' How Matt Painter's honesty in recruiting has Purdue winning big.

“I would break down things (to recruits) and my assistants would be like, ‘If you keep going this route, we’ll have nobody on our team.'"

www.indystar.com

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

a 7'4 string bean with a serious leg injury is someone I would be very cautious about in terms of his ability to avoid injury in the future.
Maybe he heals up perfectly, but big man leg injuries are worrisome.

Would you say burgess is injury prone? He’s already had 2 surgeries.

 

[Gman544]

I believe Painter does have one NBA argument. Big men. The development of unheralded Zach making the league is the best example. JJ, Swanigan, Hammonds all got a chance in the league.

 

[Bank Shot Podcast]

LOL
Pretty simple isn't it.

Right. But what does that have to do with the NBA?

 

[RossMackey]

Right. But what does that have to do with the NBA?

It's astonishing how poorly equipped you are to contribute to these discussions.

Purdue and its culture is waaaay beyond your ability to comprehend.