I'm a Painter supporter....but what if
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I think 2017 is huge...so is 2018. When I first saw his Purdue team I quickly realized he was more loose on offense than Gene was..closer to Knight and where his defense was a staple..pressure D. In his early years I think a debate could be made that he did better in the tourney than expected beating some higher seeded teams and taking a Florida team and maybe another to the wire before losing. his team to make some noise were the baby boilers and we know about Robbies' knees and that was huge. I do think Matt made a coaching mistake against a hot VCU team where he played the odds and kept the pressure thinking VCU would soon break like so many before. It was a judgement call based on sound reasoning of empirical evidence, but wrong against this VCU team during their streak. We know the problems with coaches leaving, recruiting budget and the teams that followed. It was a late run in 2014 that got them in the tourney. AJ didn't dominate like he should have and the guards turned it over..and cincy a team picked to beat Purdue did. Then last year, the upset pick of the NCAA was Little Rock beating Purdue which they did and like the year before they shouldn't have. Turnovers at the end and freezing under pressure happened. Have you ever had a player that you could see a lot of potential and was tough as nails when things were going good, but didn't handle adversity well? Did you ever have a player that gave an overt appearance of confidence, but was truly lacking in confidence under pressure due to not enough successes individually? The X and O's are great, the chemistry huge, the discipline is important and the motivation is crucial, but every team and every player has a button and some are easy to find and others not so easy. That is why talent is crucial as it covers up so many flaws and although a coach is very important and perhaps the most important variable for most players it is not 100% of the package. The difference between the coaches that are the most important recruiting a player may not be as great as the other variables that are greater than the coaching difference even though I think the coaches are most important. This back and forth on Matt will not be settled because people are judging from different weightings. Some judge by the hype of the tourney, others by the Big and others by the season and others by how well Purdue did with the level of talent they had. I wish Purdue recruited better, but do think that Matt is a fine coach and think the opinion is shared by basketball people, but if the lights in March do not shine down the road I'm sure this young coach of Purdue will leave Purdue as a young coach as well.
I wish the conversations about Matt and Purdue were more about basketball specifics of good and bad things rather than so many general topics, but the forum is what it is...
It's not terribly hard to predict when you have 11 years of facts and observation. Improvements in staff and recruiting? Painter had something like 7 NCAA tourney wins his first 6 years at Purdue (thank you baby boilers!) and 1 in his past 5. But just hang on everyone, the wins in March along with the better recruits are coming because of improvements made 2 contracts ago! Give me a break. Sure, here is the break: Those good assistants left, and it took some time to realign the staff. Now we are recruiting better players than those we brought in during the losing period. I would say that Painter proved he could coach those early years (5 good years, remember?). Started with one bad year, then went on a 5 year run - each year with a different mix of players. Personal crisis, staff turnover, bad recruiting budgets contributed to some bad classes. All those causal factors are now resolved. Why do you think they would suddenly repeat? I see no cause and effect in your statements.
And ranked between 16 and 10 so it is more likely.... come on, seriously? Preseason rankings mean nothing in relation to March. What were we 10th last year before Arkansas Little Rock whipped us in round 1? And that was based on a whole season of play and observation. The fact that we are in that vicinity again in the preseason means very little when you have a history of mediocrity in March. Ranking has very little to do with NCAA performance. The list of upsets every year is proof of that. We were upset. It happens. The fact that the "experts" that publish these ranking might know just a tiny bit more than you, well... I don't know what to tell you. All it means is that we should expect to have a good team this year, maybe top 10.
Anyway, one of the biggest issues in the Painter era besides mediocre in game coaching is his inability to land playmaking guards since E'Twuan. Maybe that changes this year with C Edwards. I sure hope so, or it's one and done again with the excuses flying. Once again the "PG won't come to Purdue" argument rises. Again without substantiation. Etwaan, LewJack, TJ, Ronnie J, (Yes, RJ and TJ were considered high recruits at the time). Carson Edwards is going to make a mockery of this weird argument anyway. Just because someone posted something on the internet doesn't make it true.
What we have here is a rant from CPR with little or no substantial argument to backup his statements, except this weak sauce: "It happened once, so it will happen again". Now, trust me, I was as pissed off about losing to ALR last year as any of you, and I can understand CPR's frustration.
However, I also realize that the path to the FF and the NC is a long and tough one, that does not fall to easy solutions and quick fixes. Your program has to have stability. You have to have street-cred with high schools and AAU programs, which means long term relationships. You have to have 3 & 4 year players who bring both talent and experience to the game. That is what we are working toward. I am not a Painter supporter. I just happen to think he gives us the best chance to achieve what we all want.
Here's an even more practical answer: until MBob fixes football, he's not going to mess with hoops, as long as Mackey stays pretty full most of the time.It's not terribly hard to predict when you have 11 years of facts and observation. Improvements in staff and recruiting? Painter had something like 7 NCAA tourney wins his first 6 years at Purdue (thank you baby boilers!) and 1 in his past 5. But just hang on everyone, the wins in March along with the better recruits are coming because of improvements made 2 contracts ago! Give me a break. Sure, here is the break: Those good assistants left, and it took some time to realign the staff. Now we are recruiting better players than those we brought in during the losing period. I would say that Painter proved he could coach those early years (5 good years, remember?). Started with one bad year, then went on a 5 year run - each year with a different mix of players. Personal crisis, staff turnover, bad recruiting budgets contributed to some bad classes. All those causal factors are now resolved. Why do you think they would suddenly repeat? I see no cause and effect in your statements.
And ranked between 16 and 10 so it is more likely.... come on, seriously? Preseason rankings mean nothing in relation to March. What were we 10th last year before Arkansas Little Rock whipped us in round 1? And that was based on a whole season of play and observation. The fact that we are in that vicinity again in the preseason means very little when you have a history of mediocrity in March. Ranking has very little to do with NCAA performance. The list of upsets every year is proof of that. We were upset. It happens. The fact that the "experts" that publish these ranking might know just a tiny bit more than you, well... I don't know what to tell you. All it means is that we should expect to have a good team this year, maybe top 10.
Anyway, one of the biggest issues in the Painter era besides mediocre in game coaching is his inability to land playmaking guards since E'Twuan. Maybe that changes this year with C Edwards. I sure hope so, or it's one and done again with the excuses flying. Once again the "PG won't come to Purdue" argument rises. Again without substantiation. Etwaan, LewJack, TJ, Ronnie J, (Yes, RJ and TJ were considered high recruits at the time). Carson Edwards is going to make a mockery of this weird argument anyway. Just because someone posted something on the internet doesn't make it true.
What we have here is a rant from CPR with little or no substantial argument to backup his statements, except this weak sauce: "It happened once, so it will happen again". Now, trust me, I was as pissed off about losing to ALR last year as any of you, and I can understand CPR's frustration.
However, I also realize that the path to the FF and the NC is a long and tough one, that does not fall to easy solutions and quick fixes. Your program has to have stability. You have to have street-cred with high schools and AAU programs, which means long term relationships. You have to have 3 & 4 year players who bring both talent and experience to the game. That is what we are working toward. I am not a Painter supporter. I just happen to think he gives us the best chance to achieve what we all want.
Ha epic post. You pretty much nuked every argument the negatwitts have posted on here ever. Only thing missing from your post was a mic drop at the end.It's not terribly hard to predict when you have 11 years of facts and observation. Improvements in staff and recruiting? Painter had something like 7 NCAA tourney wins his first 6 years at Purdue (thank you baby boilers!) and 1 in his past 5. But just hang on everyone, the wins in March along with the better recruits are coming because of improvements made 2 contracts ago! Give me a break. Sure, here is the break: Those good assistants left, and it took some time to realign the staff. Now we are recruiting better players than those we brought in during the losing period. I would say that Painter proved he could coach those early years (5 good years, remember?). Started with one bad year, then went on a 5 year run - each year with a different mix of players. Personal crisis, staff turnover, bad recruiting budgets contributed to some bad classes. All those causal factors are now resolved. Why do you think they would suddenly repeat? I see no cause and effect in your statements.
And ranked between 16 and 10 so it is more likely.... come on, seriously? Preseason rankings mean nothing in relation to March. What were we 10th last year before Arkansas Little Rock whipped us in round 1? And that was based on a whole season of play and observation. The fact that we are in that vicinity again in the preseason means very little when you have a history of mediocrity in March. Ranking has very little to do with NCAA performance. The list of upsets every year is proof of that. We were upset. It happens. The fact that the "experts" that publish these ranking might know just a tiny bit more than you, well... I don't know what to tell you. All it means is that we should expect to have a good team this year, maybe top 10.
Anyway, one of the biggest issues in the Painter era besides mediocre in game coaching is his inability to land playmaking guards since E'Twuan. Maybe that changes this year with C Edwards. I sure hope so, or it's one and done again with the excuses flying. Once again the "PG won't come to Purdue" argument rises. Again without substantiation. Etwaan, LewJack, TJ, Ronnie J, (Yes, RJ and TJ were considered high recruits at the time). Carson Edwards is going to make a mockery of this weird argument anyway. Just because someone posted something on the internet doesn't make it true.
What we have here is a rant from CPR with little or no substantial argument to backup his statements, except this weak sauce: "It happened once, so it will happen again". Now, trust me, I was as pissed off about losing to ALR last year as any of you, and I can understand CPR's frustration.
However, I also realize that the path to the FF and the NC is a long and tough one, that does not fall to easy solutions and quick fixes. Your program has to have stability. You have to have street-cred with high schools and AAU programs, which means long term relationships. You have to have 3 & 4 year players who bring both talent and experience to the game. That is what we are working toward. I am not a Painter supporter. I just happen to think he gives us the best chance to achieve what we all want.
Well you see you have the IQ of a potato so no one on here expects you to understand the complete owning mathboy did of all you negatwitts. Hell you can't even figure out how to respond to people correctly on here let alone have the capacity to understand the truth mathboy laid on you.
We get it you guys win you guys get to keep your coach but for God's sake stop getting on here giving excuses why he's a good coach. He's your coach you get to keep it so stop it
12 years no Final Four 1 sweet 16 maybe two I forget enough said. That's all needs to be said bro that's all.
Just because moth boy gets on here and rants about how good Matt Panter is doesn't take away from the eye test that everybody sees. Hell if you want me to I could get on here and give you a list of negative things. Oh, wait I've already been doing that for two months now. Well since we are on here I am going to act like an English teacher, like everybody else. Mothboy your paragraph was superb; well thought of, well written, well prepared. Your spelling was to a point. You get an A+ and you are one step away from being a writer. Good job bro!
Your problem is your list of negative things holds no water. It's been disproven time and time again. Plus the eye test you clamor about is only from a minority, hardly everybody and even that doesn't hold water.
You've been owned. Get over it and move on.
The point is, if you are going to come to a place and post rambling negatives about a coach that most people respect, you could at least use proper grammar in doing so. When you post the way that you do and fail to use basic grammar that you should have learned in elementary school, you are immediately telling us not to take you seriously. It would be like showing up for a job interview at a law firm wearing sweat pants and a t-shirt. In short, if you want the respect (because frankly those that don't agree with you would still respect your opinions most of the time if you did so in a fashion that didn't scream toothless idiot), use facts and common sense of the English language.
He is your coach too, right? Wait a minute... maybe he is not your coach. Maybe you are just on here trolling. That's sounds more plausible than any of your other posts.
Hey, thanks for clearing that up.
All the best, (Snicker)
Mothboy.
I don't care how correct your grammar is; how correct your spelling is, if you get on here talking anything negative about Matt Panter you immediately call that person a troll or they live in a trailer park. So don't give me that, "if your grammar was correct we would take you seriously." Because you people don't take anyone seriously who talks bad about Panter.
Problem for you is, you are trolling. You've basically admitted as much so no it isn't a matter of taking people that talk bad about Painter seriously we simply don't take you seriously.
Ummm top ranked teams, the part bolded from your own post, awards, conference finishes, etc. So yeah, my facts far outweigh yours negatwitt. But again, you simply are just trolling so have no merits to stand on.
Okay I will give you this he is an above-average coach regular season. When it comes to the tournament he is terrible way below average.
What has he done in the tournament that's the only thing that counts in college basketball bro. At least to the rest of the world. You can win 30 games if you don't do nothing in the tournament those 30 games are meaningless.
Oh I can admit that he's a good coach regular season. I'm not looking for a regular season good coach. I'm looking for a coach that can get it done in the tournament. When you talk to people around the United States they don't talk about how many Big Ten Tournament You've Won they don't talk about how many Big Ten regular-season You've Won. It's all about the tournament
Are you just trying to get your post count up? Why do you keep posting individual messages to express the same thing?
I have seen your posts on the national board. The only ones that even give you the time of day are the predictable ones. Basically the majority on there would just like to see you go away. Maybe you should try Peegs or whatever they are calling themselves these days. They will absolutely love you there.
There are many on here that don't like CMP and want him gone. The vast majority of them post intelligent thought out posts and are responded to in kind. You, however, are clearly a troll and I can't believe you haven't been kicked out yet. I guess that just shows how tolerant we have become.
http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/082616aaa.html
In 11 seasons at the Purdue helm, Painter has compiled a 238-134 (.640) record with eight NCAA Tournament appearances, a Big Ten regular-season title and a Big Ten Tournament title. The third all-time winningest coach in Purdue history is one of just six coaches in league history to be named Big Ten Coach of the Year three times, joining Gene Keady, Bobby Knight, Bo Ryan, Tom Izzo and Thad Matta on the chart.
Over the last 10 seasons, Purdue’s 229 total wins rank fourth in the Big Ten, while the eight tournament berths are the third most in the Big Ten during that timeframe, averaging almost 23 wins a season.
Painter enters the 2016-17 season third on the school’s all-time wins list (238), behind legendary mentors Keady and Ward “Piggy” Lambert. At age 45, Painter already ranks 18th on the all-time Big Ten wins list.
Last year’s squad posted a 26-9 record, finishing the year with the sixth-most victories in school history. The Boilermakers were 1-of-11 schools nationally to be ranked in the Associated Press Top 25 poll all season long. This year’s Boilermakers are expected to be ranked among the nation’s elite when the preseason polls come out in November.
Now you posted all the stuff in the regular season. Now turn around and post what he's done in the tournament.
Did you not read my post above I said he was a good regular season coach but way way below average in the tournament.
8-8 in the NCAA tournament if I'm not mistaken. Average.
Above average regular season. Average NCAA tournament. I grade that out to above average overall.
I don't define a .500 NCAA tournament record as below average. I'd call it average.
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