Gicarri Harris
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yeah, and I’m sure there are other OADs this year that are out of our price range…Not 100% true, Brandon Miller played a year of college basketball
Wanted to dig into this - not to get into an argument - just out of genuine curiosity.
He didn't actually have a great tourney but then again, he had Edey and others to lean on. I think statistically, NCState was his worst game.
I do agree - he will be a different guard this year because the offense will flow through various people and sometimes, he will be the guy to get a bucket.
At IU - 14% shooting
At Michigan - 21%
Wisconsin - 25%
Iowa - 25%
Tenn (in Maui) - 22%
I just pulled shooting percentage - not looking at any other metrics.
Rutgers - 50% and 70%
Northwestern - 41% & 42% - OT loss he had 6 TOs which was the most all season
Good analysis, and like I said, my recollection is foggy at best. Would be interesting to see his TO numbers in the games where he also struggled with his shot.
I wouldn't be surprised to see more turnovers this year because he's going to have to try and help get guys shots as opposed to just dumping it into Edey or throwing a lob.
9 games with 4 or more TOs.
4 TOs - 5 games
5 TOs - 3 games
6 TOs - 1 game
Averaged almost 13 points during those 9 games.
I can't paste my table in here but NC State 3pts and MSU 5pts in the B1G.
OAD recruits asking far more than $1M. Next years overall number one recruit is asking for $3-$4.5M. I guarantee he won’t be worth that much to the school.
Who are we talking about? Dybansta?
Jersey and merch sales - you could easily cover the cost of that bill. Not sure at South Carolina but Kentucky or Alabama - for sure.
Yes, Dybansta. Purdue will never pay that much for a top recruit. No reason to.
I like our team the way it is heading into the 2026 season, assuming everyone returns
and develops the way I think they will. Purdue is in 2025 Sebastain Williams-Adams
final 4 school choices along with Auburn, Oklahoma State, and Vanderbilt. Rivals lists
him as a Small Forward so there might be a 6'7'' wing scorer you are referring to.
I think Gicarri Harris will be our 6'4'' ball handling guard by 2026 if not sooner.
C.J. Cox could also fill that role although only 6'3'' but he's a fearless, effective shooter
in the mold of Carsen Edwards. Then, there is always the portal if we need to add a key
piece (Lance Jones).
"worth" is all relative.
Worth is determined by as much as someone is willing to pay. It's subjective.
If I were a top recruit, I would definitely be taking advantage of this free agent market at getting as much as possible.
How do you know Purdue would never pay that much? When NIL became prominent a couple of years ago, you probably said Purdue would never pay $1M for a player.
But we did, and it got us a Final Four.
So yeh, there is a reason to.
Totally agree. Painter is building a team with skilled bigs and some big scoring guards. I think Jacobson will be Matt Haarms but with a better shot, a starting backcourt of Harris and Cox could be really good. Colvin or Heide as a wing/shooter option. If Painter can find that 6'7 ball handling wing, that would be solid.
We won’t ever pay that much for a first time player….as long as paint is head coach. And not sure we would pay that much for a transfer or a returning player, unless it’s another dominant player like Zach. But then again, I don’t think we recruit players that have that type of mindset.
But yeah we could, especially with inflation these days 😂
If we had the money would we? If paint really liked a player and it was a perfect fit and we had a donor with super deep pockets willing to pay it, why wouldn’t we? The reason would be to win?
“worth it” as someone said has two values, based on market value if others are willing to pay it or return on investment. I approach my employees with the latter. Some may argue it is overpaying but if an employee is making me a crap load of money I can’t afford to let them walk. It was rumored the final four brought us $19m in revenue, not sure how that was figured but I’d say Edey was worth way more than that!
What would be interesting is if they did some of this NIL as performance based (e.g. we give you an extra $1m if we go to FF). I think we recruit the right kind of players who want to win while being very competitive.
But how is the ROI determined? Is spending $3-4M on a player worth it if the team makes the FF? Is that the bar for determing worth?
Never say never (or ever). This new free agency market is constantly evolving and players are for sale to the highest bidder. I don't think Painter likes it, but I think he knows he has to embrace and utilize it.
Or less because he's passing to the guy most open versus force feeding the post despite multiple defenders at times trying to stop the pass because they can't stop the guy catching it once he has it.
Painter has said the new landscape in basketball has helped him eliminate players I knows won’t work in his system. I highly doubt we pay out $1mil to a recruit.
That's the risk. No professional athlete, which is what these guys are now that they're getting paid, is going to sign a contract with their money being contingent on achieving some level of success. Sure, there could be incentives for achievement, but everyone wants that guaranteed $, regardless of outcome.
Maybe, maybe not.
How would it work if you have some mega donor willing to pay a recruit $X amount outside of the NIL with Painter's blessing?
I'm gonna agree with bone here... if Purdue had say 10m just for basketball NIL out of the BA. You don't think Pianter would use that to get elite recruits?
He would still do the normal vetting, and can still tell if someone is just after money. But you don't think he would have gone after Cooper Flagg if he knew he had say 2m ready for him?
He would still do the normal vetting, and can still tell if someone is just after money. But you don't think he would have gone after Cooper Flagg if he knew he had say 2m ready for him?
Flagg prob got way higher than that haha.
But yeah sure he’d prob go after him but not sure he woulda got him
Yeah he might have - but I don't know if many of these NIL deals figured we see get thrown out are close to real.
Great Osobor allegedly got like 2.2m from Washington?
Ticket sales, jersey/merch sales, additional revenue from playing in NCAA, alumni support, branding, union room and food/beverage sales, bleed over into football. All financial success. The biggest is probably alumni support. It is hard to quantify but no different than a company paying more to the better candidate for a job or even spending money on marketing and business development. Hard to quantify But Purdue was reported to make $19m revenue on getting to FF so $3m-$4m would be a steal. I understand there is no guarantee. I also know paint isn’t going to recruit the type of players he doesn’t think will make the team better. I would offer UConn and Purdue are probably similar except UConn had a bigger edge with NIL and for sure would say it was a good investment.
Scare? No, but they were in the game in the 1st half, like a lot of teams were, even Purdue.
Correct. Down 4 at half to UConn then lost by 14. And that’s with them hitting 11 3s and shooting 47% from 3.
I just don’t get the whole “UConn did this to our guards so they aren’t very good” when the backcourt was very solid and great all year. UConn was pretty tough to beat all last year.
Most of the metrics you list are team metrics, not an individual player. Yes, a great player who is a significant impact player on a winning team will impact the team success, but like you said, it's hard to quantify. If it wasn't, then the highest paid player in every pro sport would be leading his team to championships consistently.
So, the risk is all up front with NIL. You pay big $ for a kid to come to a school and hope he has the impact you paid for and leads the team to the FF.
But individual metrics with few exceptions provide a quantifiable ROI u less they make the team better. Paint is really good at identifying players who will make his team under his system and approach better. If he had more NIL money he could potentially be getting his first choice and be that much better and getting a return on that investment.
It’s not unusual this time of year for me to have a thought process about the rotation that doesn’t s align with Painter’s. For example, last year at this time I viewed Jones as a backup to Smith, coming off the bench. Typically, by Thanksgiving I come around to Painter’s position. From my limited knowledge right now, I tend to favor Burgess at the 5, but Coach Painter knows a lot more than I do and I am sure that there is a good reason why his minutes were limited against Creighton.
My gut says that Burgess has bought into the idea of redshirting and preserving his fifth year of eligibility (which I think is smart from the player’s perspective) and that Painter is trying to establish that he doesn’t need him this year.
My gut says that Burgess has bought into the idea of redshirting and preserving his fifth year of eligibility (which I think is smart from the player’s perspective) and that Painter is trying to establish that he doesn’t need him this year.
I'm thinking the opposite. I think the fact that he did play against Creighton makes it more likely that he does not red-shirt. As opposed to Benter who didn't play at all. My feeling is that CMP wants as many bodies in the paint as possible. Makes minutes distribution difficult, but more options are good.
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