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Missing Mason

1. Not sure we actually know if Gillis is better at defending bigs, as we did not see him much, if at all, with TKR at the 5 and Gillis at the 4. He always had Zach backing him up. So tough to compare IMO.

2. Gillis is slower than Heide and would play the 4, so if he played with TKR, I think we are slower as a team and not sure he’s getting a ton of open 3s, but with Braden anything is possible, I suppose. Gillis would have been downright bullied by Queen or JuJu. Did you not see Broome dunk on him?

3. Yeah, he’s a better shooter than those two. But also 4-6 inches shorter, would be a mismatch on the defensive end if teams are at 2 bigs 6’10+. But I can understand your point here, just don’t think it’d work that much better, maybe a bit.

4. Duke took Gillis cuz he showed he was a good shooter from 3 (50%) and possibly be a good complement to Flagg or their other pieces—maybe be an enforcer and a veteran who wouldn’t get shook in big time games. And Paint would take him, Morton and edey back. He said so in an interview. But it wouldn’t guarantee Mason was going to play his usual 20/g minutes.

5. Gillis isn’t a 4 for this team. They’d play too slow and be smaller. And what transfer is coming to a team with no guaranteed playing time, potentially not that much $$ and to be the 4th-6th option on option? Not sure why a lot of posters think these guys grow on trees and that they’d absolutely want to come here under those circumstances. We also had no room, but next year we will. And through ten games in his sophomore season, Heide is, wait for it, already “Gillis like” by averaging similar, if not better numbers as sophomore Gillis did through his first ten games and shooting very similar %s and is looking like he’s only getting better. Heides athleticism gives him morning an advantage as well, can block shots, grab boards and go in for the oop on fast breaks or near the hoop.

But all good, my mind is just boggled since I disagree.
1. Gillis has played the 4 before, and he did it even before Zach was full time starting at the 5. He's certainly not worse at it than Heide. He's a better player than Furst or Berg and those are our only other bigs. Do you think Furst and Berg should never play any minutes so Heide gets more playing time? If not, then I remain confused why you'd say he can't help over them.

2. Who didn't Queen bully? Again no one stopped him, we don't have anyone on the team who can stop those kind of players. Heide isn't. Neither are Berg or Furst. So I don't get the point. What Gillis can do is fill in the break, bring a big out and open things up on the offense. This team was always going to struggle at defense. It's the offensive ability where we win games.

3. Berg barely plays because he can't guard anyone. Furst has been decent defensively but brings almost nothing on offense. Clearly we saw in the last few games Painter keeps trying different options because he's not really happy with any of them. It's a hole. Gillis isn't filling it to perfection by any means but he'd most definitely be value added.

4. No one said he'd play 20 minutes a game. Furst and Berg avg 10 minutes each. I suspect Berg would see the floor in either spot minutes when TKR is in foul trouble, but most of those slot right over to Gillis. So you'd probably have a scenario where Gillis and Furst would add up roughly 20 instead of Furst and Berg. Only it probably would depend on who the opposing 4 was which one got more or less in a game.

5. Gillis plays slower than Berg or Furst? Gillis doesn't slow this team down at all. If you want to argue we'd struggle with him against double bigs sure, of course that's the same issue with Heide. But slow? Not remotely.

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Yes agree. They might both make 1st team?? But if not 2nd team there if voters choose it for him and Baldwin, for 1st team. Voters likely put Harper on one of top 3 teams, but he is extremely impressive early.

One thing for sure, I wouldn't trade Smith for any of them and there are several that impress me including Thornton.
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1. Only Player in the country rated above 7, Kam Jones Marquette at 7.08
2. John Broome at 6.65
3. Braden Smith at 6.58
4. Ryan Nembhard at 5.79
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Only 26 players rated above 4.0
This is of all NCAA players!
Only 4 players in the Big Ten are rated above 4.0!

UNLV Interim not OC

I've seen a couple articles trying to link Marion to the Florida State OC job, but they must be old since FSU hired Gus Malzhan already to that position. The following article seems to say that UNLV may be thinking about promoting Marion. Flies in the face of what the AD said yesterday about wanting someone with head coaching experience. But these things are certainly fluid.

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Meaningful? Meh. Good teams are good. SOS is just a pissing contest. If you're good, you're gonna win enough to where it doesn't matter. SOS really only seems to be a topic among bubble teams. Gonzaga is just good. Butler was good. Houston pre Big 12 was good. Wichita State in 2014 was good. St Joe's in 2004(?) was good. SOS didn't matter is my point. Good teams are just going to rise to the top. If you need SOS, it means you're losing too much and it's an excuse.
You're either trolling me and I've been biting (I hope that's the case) or this is the dumbest conversation I've ever had. Anyone who read your post above, including me, is less intelligent for having read it. I just re-read it and could feel my brain cells dying.

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Yes agree. They might both make 1st team?? But if not 2nd team there if voters choose it for him and Baldwin, for 1st team. Voters likely put Harper on one of top 3 teams, but he is extremely impressive early.

One thing for sure, I wouldn't trade Smith for any of them and there are several that impress me including Thornton.
To me, it’s tough to put a guy who averages 4-5 turnovers a game as first team all b1G and that even includes wolf from Michigan, but he’s crazy good at his size.
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Yeh, maybe not.
What's the stat that weighs their DEFENSE?????? Cuz THAT is the stat that is way off here.
Been pretty disappointed by the play of our veteran guards. Not that they aren't working their butts off, they ARE. The problem is they are still getting taken out of games by other teams aggressive defense. And struggle to stay in front of players at the other tend.
Overmatched physically too often for now upper class players. That part has been a problem for 3 seasons now, improvement be damned.
Fletch is bigger and stronger but still struggles to get his shots off and defend at the other end.
Same basically with Braden who's improved in many ways, but now a bit wilder with passes again, the jump pass issue is back, and he's not shooting/scoring enough for someone that was predicted to be the POY preseason.
Does the teams success depend on the play of these 2 getting better?
No! It's also the other 3 spots not doing "enough" (in the biggest games) at THIS POINT in the season.
We knew coming in there would be adversity and guess what? We were right.
Long season and lots of coaching adjustments to come. I'm confident we (ok they) will figure it out.
And a player or 2 will step up and be accountable.
Both these guys too talented to not get over the current hump.
Yeah they suck.

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You can't stand the argument that strength of schedule is meaningful? Well, that explains a lot.

PS - It's too bad for Drake that Miami and Kansas State aren't very good this season.
Meaningful? Meh. Good teams are good. SOS is just a pissing contest. If you're good, you're gonna win enough to where it doesn't matter. SOS really only seems to be a topic among bubble teams. Gonzaga is just good. Butler was good. Houston pre Big 12 was good. Wichita State in 2014 was good. St Joe's in 2004(?) was good. SOS didn't matter is my point. Good teams are just going to rise to the top. If you need SOS, it means you're losing too much and it's an excuse.

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Also, it does not matter much at this point and as long as Purdue gets a 3-6 seed in the midwest region, that’s all the really matters IMO
I agree and I expect it to change. Im not outraged, it just is weird. OSUs sos is way worse than ours and a worse record. In metric only things like kenpom they are quite a bit below us.

Just odd net is so down on us

Missing Mason

1. I think Heide is a good but not great defender. I think Gillis was also a good but not great defender. I think Heide is certainly better at defending wings but Gillis is roughly as good at defending bigger players which is where he'd be mostly playing.

2. Queen got 26ish points yesterday. So it's not like Berg or Furst slowed him down in the slightest. Neither did TKR to be fair but the offensive threat Gillis brings would help us on the offensive end way more than Berg or Furst have. And we'd get similar defensive production.

3. What is Berg or Furst a threat to do? Gillis at least has the reputation of three point shooting which means he draws out bigs on offense in a way the other two are not which could open things up for TKR. UCONN took everything we did away except Edey so I'm not sure that's any more and indictment of Gillis than Loyer or Smith or anyone else on the team. They made the correct choice that Edey can have his and they'd lock everyone else down.

4. Duke didn't take Gillis because Edey transferred over so I'm pretty sure they saw some individual talent in him without Edey. The fact that Painter would have taken him back shows he did too. No one is saying Gillis is shooting 50 percent from three or is dominating, but he absolutely would have helped this team and no he wouldn't take minutes away from Heide. That person was Jacobsen but he's hurt because that slides TKR to the 4 which is what is going to happen next season anyways.

5. You didn't like the idea of a portal 4 next season either because again you thought it would take minutes from Heide. I like Heide. I am glad he's here. I think as a senior he's going to be a, wait for it, Gillis-like performer who hits threes and plays good defense and rebounds. I think he has a chance at stardom but he's going to need to be a lot more consistent and aggressive than he's shown so far. I think it's not a guarantee he's going to be so good that we can't let anyone else come and take minutes at the 4 lest he lose some minutes there.

We rolled into this season with Jacobsen and TKR with Heide as a viable option against smaller 4s and then Berg and Furst for spot minutes and that was a viable plan where you don't necessarily need a Gillis like player.

But now we see that Jacobsen is hurt, Heide is still inconsistent (to be fair so is Colvin), and Berg and Furst for different reasons are struggling to provide meaningful minutes. So yeah, having a player like Gillis would help this team. Is that an indictment of anyone? No. Painter didn't run him off, and no one could have predicted a freak broken leg. But yeah, Gillis would have helped and it's a bit mind boggling to me anyone would disagree.
1. Not sure we actually know if Gillis is better at defending bigs, as we did not see him much, if at all, with TKR at the 5 and Gillis at the 4. He always had Zach backing him up. So tough to compare IMO.

2. Gillis is slower than Heide and would play the 4, so if he played with TKR, I think we are slower as a team and not sure he’s getting a ton of open 3s, but with Braden anything is possible, I suppose. Gillis would have been downright bullied by Queen or JuJu. Did you not see Broome dunk on him?

3. Yeah, he’s a better shooter than those two. But also 4-6 inches shorter, would be a mismatch on the defensive end if teams are at 2 bigs 6’10+. But I can understand your point here, just don’t think it’d work that much better, maybe a bit.

4. Duke took Gillis cuz he showed he was a good shooter from 3 (50%) and possibly be a good complement to Flagg or their other pieces—maybe be an enforcer and a veteran who wouldn’t get shook in big time games. And Paint would take him, Morton and edey back. He said so in an interview. But it wouldn’t guarantee Mason was going to play his usual 20/g minutes.

5. Gillis isn’t a 4 for this team. They’d play too slow and be smaller. And what transfer is coming to a team with no guaranteed playing time, potentially not that much $$ and to be the 4th-6th option on option? Not sure why a lot of posters think these guys grow on trees and that they’d absolutely want to come here under those circumstances. We also had no room, but next year we will. And through ten games in his sophomore season, Heide is, wait for it, already “Gillis like” by averaging similar, if not better numbers as sophomore Gillis did through his first ten games and shooting very similar %s and is looking like he’s only getting better. Heides athleticism gives him morning an advantage as well, can block shots, grab boards and go in for the oop on fast breaks or near the hoop.

But all good, my mind is just boggled since I disagree.

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Still very much early days. I think Braden is the best PG in the conference still next to Baldwin. There are not really any top tier shooting guards in the Big 10 that come to mind, so I can see 1st team all big ten go to Braden and Baldwin. Think Harper should be second team.

Yes agree. They might both make 1st team?? But if not 2nd team there if voters choose it for him and Baldwin, for 1st team. Voters likely put Harper on one of top 3 teams, but he is extremely impressive early.

One thing for sure, I wouldn't trade Smith for any of them and there are several that impress me including Thornton.
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UCLA has the Mack the Mack Truck who will terrorize us going to the hole with abandon. You will know him soon enough. He's a very good guard, not great, but against our interior D, he might look phenomenal.

I still like Smith as top 1st or 2nd team ALL B10. Loyer, bless his heart, D drags the pair down as pairing the two on D is a problem....Smith average, Loyer below average. Still love his deadly 3 pt shooting and his ability to draw fouls by being a floor mop....and is why CMP plays him.
Still very much early days. I think Braden is the best PG in the conference still next to Baldwin. There are not really any top tier shooting guards in the Big 10 that come to mind, so I can see 1st team all big ten go to Braden and Baldwin. Think Harper should be second team.

Trust your eyes

True to what word? I think Painter probably tells his current guys the same thing he tells portal guys: You earn your starting spot and PT every week.
Yes. Exactly. He rewards guys who play hard, know his system, know where to be and who give Purdue the best chance to win. If they do that, they will play over transfers. Unless that transfer is the better option. Lance was a perfect example of all that, but even he was surprised he became a starter.
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He's a good player and a very good 3 pt shooter. but he's pretty one dimensional on offense and really bad on D. He would have be the position where the portal could have provided a bigger, stronger, more athletic guy who a still shoot and score other ways.
How is he really bad on defense?

And who are these guys you speak of in the portal that would line up to play at Purdue with no guaranteed playing time that probably would be featured as the 4th-6th option?

Would love to hear how we ended up at Odom

Checking the portal, he doesn't have a lot to bring with him. Out of 17 of his players entering the portal, only seven are left. I'd think it's easier for a coach to win at Mizzou and UNLV than at Purdue.
As for the portal, his plane touched down a day ago and he probably spent most of today addressing our team and current gaps. It’s day 1 so we have zero clue how he will go about it. Gotta give it time and it’s just nice to have a coach in place rather than fall behind. UNLV was horrendous prior to his arrival and he took them to back to back bowl games for the first time in program history.
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Would love to hear how we ended up at Odom

Im just not sure who was out there, and I read a lot of lists from the “experts”. The reach coaches that came up were Iowa State and Arizona State and neither was leaving for Purdue in its current state. Perhaps that’s what you mean by settling and I get it. However, among the small schools we got a guy that has a resume that’s a step above WKU coach that I’d expected AND I think that’s a good thing considering BoBos last off script hire
Campbell comes up in every coaching search, every year for every team. Dude is not leaving Iowa State at this point I am not even sure a Blue Blood could pull him.
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