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Trumps Florida Home Raided by the FBI

It may be true for you, but certainly not everyone.

If left-right is how you see it and you are alleging that the leftist media is not covering what needs to be covered, you can use an app like Ground News where for each story, it has a bias distribution, showing what percentage that the political [left/right] has covered.

Point is, you can't just dismiss all evidence that goes against your favorite politician as "Media is corrupt." Just like you can't use "FBI is corrupt" every time your favorite politician is being investigated. Well, I guess technically speaking, you can, but it makes you a close-minded moron who is biased and cannot see the full picture.




That's actually the complaint from the liberal side like Chomsky. He and Herman has argued that news challenging the status quo (e.g. capitalism) gets filtered out as the media caters to elites keen to protect their own power. So don't think you are the only one not happy with the media.




Plenty. Pretty much all the reporting on the Afghanistan withdrawal was negative, no matter the media.

Also, unless you are talking about Editorial, newspaper are not supposed to agree or disagree. If you are talking about news commentary like Sean Hannity or Rachel Maddow, then yes, they will have an opinion, but they are not news or newspaper.
Babbling. How can you explain trust in media being at an all time low? Americans see right through it, Charles but for whatever reason, you keep defending a quite indefensible group (the media).
 
And how many times did Trump call the 2020 election was stolen?

Did Hillary bring any election lawsuits against Trump? Did she call the officials in WI or PA to find her more votes? Did she incite a mob to storm the Capitol?

How about you heed your own advice and try to be unbiased??
Not sure, how many times did he call it stolen? Did you keep count? Lol incite. I don’t pretend to be unbiased but you do which is funny.
 
Obviously not as prominent as Trump, but they just raided a Dem congressman in January.

Thank you for sharing! Obviously not as prominent as Trump but I wonder why TV cameras weren’t all over this. Guess this guy wasn’t just finishing up being the topic of the first season of a dramatic reality tv show called the “Jan 6 Committee” coming soon to Netflix.
 
Thank you for sharing! Obviously not as prominent as Trump but I wonder why TV cameras weren’t all over this. Guess this guy wasn’t just finishing up being the topic of the first season of a dramatic reality tv show called the “Jan 6 Committee” coming soon to Netflix.
I’m pretty sure Hannity did his show from the parking lot when it happened (tic).

To be fair, i don’t think Cuellar went running to twitter or news cameras screaming that his civil rights were being violated or complaining about it either.

The raid on Trump’s house almost went under the radar until Trump tweeted about it. If he had stayed quiet it might have been handled in a similar manner to what happened in June when they came and took documents. I’m sure someone would have noticed the warrants and it would have been bigger, but Trump lit the fuse that sparked most of the drama last week.
 
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Duh, get a news app like Ground News where for a given story, it shows the distribution of left and right coverage. They also show the most centered coverage with the least editorializing, and offer to show what news you might have missed (based on your reading habit) because your side of the political spectrum is not covering as much.
Never heard of it. Not an app guy.

I doubt it could be more balanced than WSJ, NPR, BBC, Carlson, Atlantic, Harpers, Pocket and Dilbert, my regular sources - combined with the negative/buffoonish posters on this forum (bni, gr8nt, etc) that serve as an inverse guide to the truth.

'Duh' is so teen-like. You're not a teen, are you?
 
All hypocrites on the board learned from you so I’m just following whatever ChuckPig has to say. Oh wise one.
I remember Chuckpigs first postings on here about being a father , just having a few questions and some other bs and then how he is doing some social experiment to being a full on liberal fruitcake now.
 
Clinton conceded right after the election. She might have some sour grape, but not at the level of Trump who still hasn't conceded, and who incited a mob to storm the Capitol. They are not nearly at the same level of b!tching.
You seem to be making light of the entire Russian collusion hoax, which was perpetrated by HC and the FBI. Trump never did anything at the 'same level" of corruption.
So, after all your sidetracking and all the Hillary whataboutism, can we agree to what Quad said:



and what gr8 said:

Clinton conceded right after the election. She might have some sour grape, but not at the level of Trump who still hasn't conceded, and who incited a mob to storm the Capitol. They are not nearly at the same level of b!tching.

So, after all your sidetracking and all the Hillary whataboutism, can we agree to what Quad said:
No, because Quad is saying what Trump was doing was wrong, and we don't know that yet.
and what gr8 said:
He seemed to be saying that the voters should not be allowed to decide their preferences, so of course I don't agree with that. That is the CCP way.
 
Things are pretty bad when you consider the open boarders, crime, and wreck less spending. Democrats are way to lenient on crime, and this inflation bill is another waste of money. These bills keep the free money going and people refuse to work. Here’s one for you. A lady I know lives on government assistance. I asked why don’t you go to work. She said ok. I told her to go to work one in Hammond and they will help you find a job. She was a physical therapist. She went they hooked her up with a job in St. John, but she didn’t want to drive that far. Her car needs work so she refused the job. Work one the offers her $1500. 00 voucher to help with the car and $50.00 gift card for Shoe Carnival. Come back in three weeks and we’ll see if we can help you again.

I imagine this happens everywhere, but this one is first hand knowledge. Total BS that’s why people won’t work. Wasteful spending is ruining this country.
A lot of bullshit anecdata in this:

- Borders.
- Reckless.
- Too.
- "First-hand knowledge" means it was you... it wasn't you, was it? Then it's not "first hand".

The lady you cited isn't a physical therapist. Those people have advanced degrees (often doctorates) and don't sit around without their cars fixed. Maybe she was a Physical Therapists' Assistant which is like a trade school, nothing to sneeze at, but much lower level of expertise and/or income. No actual Physical Therapist is being offered Shoe Carnival gift cards to work.

What a ****ing joke to base your entire worldview on anecdotes that probably aren't even remotely true in the first place.

Stop spreading bullshit and then blaming everything on Democrats. That's like me saying, "HUP! Another mass shooting, THANKS REPUBLICANS!" Just stop.
 
Poor analogy.

No one says to blindly trust the FBI. But between two extremes of "Blindly trust the FBI" and "Everything FBI does is corrupt", there is an optimum spot in the middle where you evaluate case by case. You can't use "FBI is corrupt" as an excuse every time your favorite politician is being investigated.

I've asked many times and still no one has given me an answer. If FBI raided Hunter Biden's home and found top secret documents in the exact same style as they did at MAL, would you just dismiss it because it's the FBI doing it?
Sorry, I missed your post along the way.

If that happened, I would assume the FBI has decided that Brandon's ineptitude is too much even for them and that rolling up Hunter is the easiest way to get rid of him.

But why would they need to raid Hunter's home when he provided filmed and documented evidence of numerous apparent crimes. They could simply look at his laptop, which they have been sitting on for a full two years.
 
They should have won GA fairly easily although neither R candidate was particularly inspiring. Trump sabotaged his own candidates with his comments about stolen elections. He depressed turnout for the R runoff there.
This is what is so dumb about this entire tactic he employed: Republicans historically fare better with lower voter turnout in tight elections since they're generally outnumbered... but they need it overall, not just from their own party.
 
This is what is so dumb about this entire tactic he employed: Republicans historically fare better with lower voter turnout in tight elections since they're generally outnumbered... but they need it overall, not just from their own party.
There were multiple republicans on TV leading up to that visit begging him to just focus on getting voters to show up and not rant about his stolen election. It was very predictable.

He just couldn’t do it.
 
No, because Quad is saying what Trump was doing was wrong, and we don't know that yet.
We actually do know that though. He had TS/SCI documents at Mar-a-Lago. That is wrong... If you can't understand that then I don't know what else to tell you.

It's funny how you can't possibly admit something Trump did was wrong and yet you jump at every chance to trash Hillary when she wasn't even charged with anything (notice I can still recognize what she did was wrong despite that).
 
A lot of bullshit anecdata in this:

- Borders.
- Reckless.
- Too.
- "First-hand knowledge" means it was you... it wasn't you, was it? Then it's not "first hand".

The lady you cited isn't a physical therapist. Those people have advanced degrees (often doctorates) and don't sit around without their cars fixed. Maybe she was a Physical Therapists' Assistant which is like a trade school, nothing to sneeze at, but much lower level of expertise and/or income. No actual Physical Therapist is being offered Shoe Carnival gift cards to work.

What a ****ing joke to base your entire worldview on anecdotes that probably aren't even remotely true in the first place.

Stop spreading bullshit and then blaming everything on Democrats. That's like me saying, "HUP! Another mass shooting, THANKS REPUBLICANS!" Just stop.
Good lord...............another liberal in the land of confusion. I could hear Phil Collins in the back ground when I read that
 
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Ok, so score one for Trump (kinda). FBI had 3 passports, but returned them.

Although the NBC tweet above may have been technically correct when sent (it appears they returned them this afternoon).

 
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A lot of bullshit anecdata in this:

- Borders.
- Reckless.
- Too.
- "First-hand knowledge" means it was you... it wasn't you, was it? Then it's not "first hand".

The lady you cited isn't a physical therapist. Those people have advanced degrees (often doctorates) and don't sit around without their cars fixed. Maybe she was a Physical Therapists' Assistant which is like a trade school, nothing to sneeze at, but much lower level of expertise and/or income. No actual Physical Therapist is being offered Shoe Carnival gift cards to work.

What a ****ing joke to base your entire worldview on anecdotes that probably aren't even remotely true in the first place.

Stop spreading bullshit and then blaming everything on Democrats. That's like me saying, "HUP! Another mass shooting, THANKS REPUBLICANS!" Just stop.
You got me on first hand. Congratulations! The rest of my post is true. Of course with you being the legend in your own mind that doesn’t know crap about this lady has it all figured out. Right!
 
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You got me on first hand. Congratulations! The rest of my post is true. Of course with you being the legend in your own mind that doesn’t know crap about this lady has it all figured out. Right!
I am guessing you don’t know crap about her either. Just something someone else told you, ahem, “first hand.”

I don’t think it is a coincidence that the people who participate on this forum who demonstrate the weakest grasp of the English language all happen to be Trumpkins.
 
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Not sure, how many times did he call it stolen? Did you keep count? Lol incite. I don’t pretend to be unbiased but you do which is funny.

That's your retort? Lame. You were the one who asked "How many times did Hillary call Trump an “illegitimate” president," so did you keep count? I'd bet the # of times Hillary said in 4 years is less than the # of times Trump said in 4 months though.

Anyway, how many election lawsuits Hillary brought? How many state officials she called to ask them to find her more votes? Again, way less than Trump.

You can keep deflecting, and that's fine. I am just here to show that both Hillary and Trump were sore losers, just that the latter is way worse.
 
I am guessing you don’t know crap about her either. Just something someone else told you, ahem, “first hand.”

I don’t think it is a coincidence that the people who participate on this forum who demonstrate the weakest grasp of the English language all happen to be Trumpkins.
I see her five days a week. You apparently know more about her living in California than I so carry on. Tell us all the total story.
 
Trump 'will do whatever' he can to 'help the country' after FBI raid: 'Temperature has to be brought down'

Trump told Fox News that FBI agents "break in and take whatever they want to take."

He added: "I will do whatever I can to help the country."

They could take anything they want, and put anything they want in," Trump said of the FBI agents. "My people were asked to stand outside."

"If there is anything we can do to help, I, and my people, would certainly be willing to do that," Trump said.

Trump went on to suggest that the FBI "could have planted anything they wanted" during the raid.

"Whatever we can do to help — because the temperature has to be brought down in the country. If it isn’t, terrible things are going to happen."

He added: "The people of this country are not going to stand for another scam."

At least he's consistent.

 
Trump 'will do whatever' he can to 'help the country' after FBI raid: 'Temperature has to be brought down'

Trump told Fox News that FBI agents "break in and take whatever they want to take."

He added: "I will do whatever I can to help the country."

They could take anything they want, and put anything they want in," Trump said of the FBI agents. "My people were asked to stand outside."

"If there is anything we can do to help, I, and my people, would certainly be willing to do that," Trump said.

Trump went on to suggest that the FBI "could have planted anything they wanted" during the raid.

"Whatever we can do to help — because the temperature has to be brought down in the country. If it isn’t, terrible things are going to happen."

He added: "The people of this country are not going to stand for another scam."

At least he's consistent.

Thank you for the nightly Trump report.
 
We actually do know that though. He had TS/SCI documents at Mar-a-Lago. That is wrong... If you can't understand that then I don't know what else to tell you.
Two high ranking governments officials are caught with illegal possession of top secret documents. One put them in a locked room in arguably one of the most highly protected properties on the planet. The other had them on an unsecured server that could be accessed and distributed by any anyone given the right set of circumstances. Are they both wrong? Sure, but they're far from equivalent with regard to the likelihood of impacting sensitive matters and/or national security.

I would assume Trump's reasoning will be he thought everything he had possession of was declassified. That's somewhat believable. On the other hand, HRC said she thought the lettering on the documents were for alphabetizing (LOL!). Not to mention that doesn't even answer as to why she had government docs on her personal email in the first place.
 
Two high ranking governments officials are caught with illegal possession of top secret documents. One put them in a locked room in arguably one of the most highly protected properties on the planet. The other had them on an unsecured server that could be accessed and distributed by any anyone given the right set of circumstances. Are they both wrong? Sure, but they're far from equivalent with regard to the likelihood of impacting sensitive matters and/or national security.

I would assume Trump's reasoning will be he thought everything he had possession of was declassified. That's somewhat believable. On the other hand, HRC said she thought the lettering on the documents were for alphabetizing (LOL!). Not to mention that doesn't even answer as to why she had government docs on her personal email in the first place.
Listen, I'm not going to keep talking about Clinton. I've said what she did was wrong at least a handful of times now. But your characterization of these two situations is laughable. What Trump did is much worse. I guess we'll just have to let the investigation play out and see.
 
Listen, I'm not going to keep talking about Clinton. I've said what she did was wrong at least a handful of times now. But your characterization of these two situations is laughable. What Trump did is much worse. I guess we'll just have to let the investigation play out and see.
What did Trump do exactly? Try not to use “if” or “supposedly” in your response.
 
Two high ranking governments officials are caught with illegal possession of top secret documents. One put them in a locked room in arguably one of the most highly protected properties on the planet. The other had them on an unsecured server that could be accessed and distributed by any anyone given the right set of circumstances. Are they both wrong? Sure, but they're far from equivalent with regard to the likelihood of impacting sensitive matters and/or national security.

I would assume Trump's reasoning will be he thought everything he had possession of was declassified. That's somewhat believable. On the other hand, HRC said she thought the lettering on the documents were for alphabetizing (LOL!). Not to mention that doesn't even answer as to why she had government docs on her personal email in the first place.

One of them had 113 emails containing classified information, only three of which were marked (Confidential). Confidential is one step above Unclassified.

The other was caught with properly marked hard copy SCI. That is the highest classification with respect to intelligence sources that exists and compartmentalization restricts access even further. That doesn’t even get into the dozen or so other TS and S documents - properly marked hard copies - that were taken.

Mishandling is mishandling by protocol and the law.

In the game of “whataboutism”, what Trump was caught with is objectively far, far worse. The damning thjng here will the be level of classification and the fact that the material was properly marked.

If we are changing Lock Her Up at Clinton, we need to be chanting the same at Trump.
 
One of them had 113 emails containing classified information, only three of which were marked (Confidential). Confidential is one step above Unclassified.

The other was caught with properly marked hard copy SCI. That is the highest classification with respect to intelligence sources that exists and compartmentalization restricts access even further. That doesn’t even get into the dozen or so other TS and S documents - properly marked hard copies - that were taken.

Mishandling is mishandling by protocol and the law.

In the game of “whataboutism”, what Trump was caught with is objectively far, far worse. The damning thjng here will the be level of classification and the fact that the material was properly marked.

If we are changing Lock Her Up at Clinton, we need to be chanting the same at Trump.
So this take is wrong?

 
It’s not wrong - when he is in office. He’s been out of the WH for 1 1/2 years. He should have returned TS and S documents in his possession back to the archive. They belong to the country, not Trump anymore.
Exactly correct. And as i posted awhile back, since Nixon the rules have changed. Nixon wanted to take the infamous tapes and related records with him. Congress wisely passed a law specifically for Nixon but then a broader one later in the 70s.

As you said, the minute he's not President he loses his rights to any of the stuff. They have a process to send requested records through a vetting process. That's pretty much at the root of this whole thing.

 
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Exactly correct. And as i posted awhile back, since Nixon the rules have changed. Nixon wanted to take the infamous tapes and related records with him. Congress wisely passed a law specifically for Nixon but then a broader one later in the 70s.

As you said, the minute he's not President he loses his rights to any of the stuff. They have a process to send requested records through a vetting process. That's pretty much at the root of this whole thing.

Thanks for the info
 
Thanks for the info

Also just to clarify on your classification question … the whole Classified thing is a bureaucratic term and process. It defines how the government internally treats records and who can see them. I believe it’s also related to when records can be subject to Freedom of Information Act requests.

This is why regardless of who, some massive declassification process doesn’t make any sense and is potentially dangerous.

If people break rules on handling classified documents, the penalties are mostly administrative (take away your rights to see them, get fired or demoted or whatever.)

If you look at the criminal charges Trump potentially faces, they are not tied to classification status .. just records he shouldn’t have. While there is very likely more significance and risk of classified documents, you could easily be convicted of an espionage charge for releasing documents that are not technically classified.
 
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Also just to clarify on your classification question … the whole Classified thing is a bureaucratic term and process. It defines how the government internally treats records and who can see them. I believe it’s also related to when records can be subject to Freedom of Information Act requests.

This is why regardless of who, some massive declassification process doesn’t make any sense and is potentially dangerous.

If people break rules on handling classified documents, the penalties are mostly administrative (take away your rights to see them, get fired or demoted or whatever.)

If you look at the criminal charges Trump potentially faces, they are not tied to classification status .. just records he shouldn’t have. While there is very likely more significance and risk of classified documents, you could easily be convicted of an espionage charge for releasing documents that are not technically classified.
I’ll be curious to see the specifics on the documents, if ever released, and also the affidavit, if ever released.
 
One of them had 113 emails containing classified information, only three of which were marked (Confidential). Confidential is one step above Unclassified.

The other was caught with properly marked hard copy SCI. That is the highest classification with respect to intelligence sources that exists and compartmentalization restricts access even further. That doesn’t even get into the dozen or so other TS and S documents - properly marked hard copies - that were taken.

Mishandling is mishandling by protocol and the law.

In the game of “whataboutism”, what Trump was caught with is objectively far, far worse. The damning thjng here will the be level of classification and the fact that the material was properly marked.

If we are changing Lock Her Up at Clinton, we need to be chanting the same at Trump.
Technically Trump hasn't been caught with anything.
I am holding judgement until the goods are produced.
Shall I say Russia, Russia, Russia and Ukraine?
 
Also just to clarify on your classification question … the whole Classified thing is a bureaucratic term and process. It defines how the government internally treats records and who can see them. I believe it’s also related to when records can be subject to Freedom of Information Act requests.

This is why regardless of who, some massive declassification process doesn’t make any sense and is potentially dangerous.

If people break rules on handling classified documents, the penalties are mostly administrative (take away your rights to see them, get fired or demoted or whatever.)

If you look at the criminal charges Trump potentially faces, they are not tied to classification status .. just records he shouldn’t have. While there is very likely more significance and risk of classified documents, you could easily be convicted of an espionage charge for releasing documents that are not technically classified.
People who mishandle classified documents can be fined and put in jail, depending on the level and scale of mishandling. Fines and jail time can and do happen.
 
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