Yeah, if I had a dime for every time I heard that...Same thing we heard when crean was there and last year and so on.
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Yeah, if I had a dime for every time I heard that...Same thing we heard when crean was there and last year and so on.
I agree. Crean is a genius at developing talent. I still can't believe you guys ran him off.I think you need to go back and look at OG's recruiting ranking. He was a 3* player that become a top 25 pick in the draft. He improved a ton while at IU. That's like saying Oladipo wasn't developed at IU.
JJJ was severely underutilized at MSU but was still a top 5 pick and that has everything to do with JJJ’s measurables and skill set than it does how he was used at MSU.
he was mentioned as a very top end player after one year BEFORE he went to MSU. MSU had nothing to do with him getting in the league
Sorry but no. a lot of his posts that have been on here seem to be the 'pointing out homer' stuff and if he doesn't like it, he can stop coming here. It is not up to an iu fan to attempt to dictate what is and isn't posted on here. Can you imagine the reception we would get if we tried something like that on peegs? Yep insta ban.Relax Steel. Cheeseman is playing it straight. I have no problem with him being an IU fan. He talks basketball and is rational. If he calls out a few homers on their stuff, so be it. However, it is a Purdue board, so some homer stuff is to be expected and tolerated.
...and I never ever said you said those things. Bottom line I think the talent of the individual was already there...I mean they were not the focus of the offense for IU although Zeller was a bit. You think IU was responsible for putting them in the NBA and I don't. Doesn't mean much on who is correct...perception in a lot of things carries weight...I never said crean wasn't good guy. I actually think he is a great guy. I never said Purdue didnt develop talent well (and yes I agree, it's individual will power that determines how much development happens). Haas developed very nicely at Purdue, as have many other players.
How have the rest of you not figured out this is an iu troll? Classic example, created a Purdue-centric user name, started posting last Wed. and has posted nothing but positive IU crap and argue with longtime real Purdue fans.And we'll try it this way, if IU had nothing to do with Thomas Bryant getting drafted then I don't want to hear any Purdue fans saying Purdue or Painter had anything to do with Swanigan being drafted. If you think someone like Thomas Bryant had more NBA interest over Caleb Swanigan before they played a single game in college then you can't make that claim. If you think Cody Zeller was a top 5 NBA pick before he played a single college game then we can't have this discussion. If you think either of those players went to IU and nothing in the two years they spent there had anything to do with their development or their draft position then you can't lay that claim with Biggie.
If you can come on here and say that I'll drop this. But you will never say that Purdue or Painter didn't assist in the development of Biggie because that wouldn't fit the narrative you're pushing here with the IU bigs.
Oh, I knew...How have the rest of you not figured out this is an iu troll? Classic example, created a Purdue-centric user name, started posting last Wed. and has posted nothing but positive IU crap and argue with longtime real Purdue fans.
How have the rest of you not figured out this is an iu troll? Classic example, created a Purdue-centric user name, started posting last Wed. and has posted nothing but positive IU crap and argue with longtime real Purdue fans.
Outed.I don't owe you anything but I was born and raised a Boiler fan in Tippecanoe Co and didn't leave Tippecanoe Co until I got my second degree from Purdue. I only started posting when Purdue fans stated things about Evan Fitzner, something they know nothing about. I live 10 minutes from St. Mary's campus and have seen the Gaels play multiple times over the last 5 years.
I haven't posted any positive IU crap outside defending the notion that someone like Cody Zeller wasn't developed at IU. If that makes me an IU troll, what is my prize? Believe it or not, you can still be a Purdue fan and still call sh*t for what it is.
Oh, I knew...
Wow you forgot to throw in the "I'm just being a realist". Reality is Crean couldn't develop a Polaroid.I don't owe you anything but I was born and raised a Boiler fan in Tippecanoe Co and didn't leave Tippecanoe Co until I got my second degree from Purdue. I only started posting when Purdue fans stated things about Evan Fitzner, something they know nothing about. I live 10 minutes from St. Mary's campus and have seen the Gaels play multiple times over the last 5 years.
I haven't posted any positive IU crap outside defending the notion that someone like Cody Zeller wasn't developed at IU. If that makes me an IU troll, what is my prize? Believe it or not, you can still be a Purdue fan and still call sh*t for what it is.
Victor Oladipo was ranked 144 by Rivals and ended up being the 2nd draft pick - if that isn’t player development I am curious what defines player development.Wow you forgot to throw in the "I'm just being a realist". Reality is Crean couldn't develop a Polaroid.
Wow you forgot to throw in the "I'm just being a realist". Reality is Crean couldn't develop a Polaroid.
You guys don't pay attention. Oladipo developed playing and training with NBA players during the summers in Indianapolis. There were articles on the Indy Star website discussing it. I guess you could give Crean credit for knowing he didn't know what to do with him and sent him elsewhere for training.Victor Oladipo was ranked 144 by Rivals and ended up being the 2nd draft pick - if that isn’t player development I am curious what defines player development.
You guys don't pay attention. Oladipo developed playing and training with NBA players during the summers in Indianapolis. There were articles on the Indy Star website discussing it. I guess you could give Crean credit for knowing he didn't know what to do with him and sent his elsewhere for training.
Sorry but no. a lot of his posts that have been on here seem to be the 'pointing out homer' stuff and if he doesn't like it, he can stop coming here. It is not up to an iu fan to attempt to dictate what is and isn't posted on here. Can you imagine the reception we would get if we tried something like that on peegs? Yep insta ban.
So no, I am going to continue to call him out as I see fit. If you or others don't like it, I truly and honestly couldn't care less. Him and his other iu buddies like notaboileriron deserve to be held accountable for the things they post here.
Accountability and credibility goes both ways. The more you berate others and personally attack them, The less respect others have for you and your posts. You even admit you could care less about what other Boiler fans think of your actions and posts. The best forum moderation/policing is using a mirror and reading your own posts. Did you really mean to say that before you posted it?
the conversation was about "BIGS" and he wasn't a BIG. He certainly reached his athletic potentialVictor Oladipo was ranked 144 by Rivals and ended up being the 2nd draft pick - if that isn’t player development I am curious what defines player development.
recruited a lot of NBA talent is trueYet Tom Crean has more players in the NBA than Matt Painter and it's not close. The ignorance displayed here is astounding. I don't like Tom Crean, think he's a lousy coach, and would take Matt Painter over him everyday and twice on Sunday but if you can't put aside your homerism and at least acknowledge he could put players in the NBA that's your fault.
False. It's just folks like you that think you can fool people in to believing your a Boiler with your over-the-top iu love. There are plenty of people on here that have an different view that can express it without outing themselves as iu people behind a Boiler id.any person with a contrarian point of view is simply an IU troll.
recruited a lot of NBA talent is true
the conversation was about "BIGS" and he wasn't a BIG.
False. It's just folks like you that think you can fool people in to believing your a Boiler with your over-the-top iu love. There are plenty of people on here that have an different view that can express it without outing themselves as iu people behind a Boiler id.
It's a tactic that happens frequently on here and like you, sooner or later they are exposed because for the cream and crimson fodder they really are.
In my business we call that an outlier or noise.Victor Oladipo was ranked 144 by Rivals and ended up being the 2nd draft pick - if that isn’t player development I am curious what defines player development.
In my business we call that an outlier or noise.
You hadn't posted on this board ever until a week ago and not a one of your posts is positive toward Purdue. You've defended iu players, Tom Crean, and etc. And you can't understand why some would think you're nothing but an iu troll? You're either not very bright or you think Purdue fans aren't very bright.It'd be an outlier if he were the only one. Travis Diener? Dwayne Wade? Steve Novak? Wes Matthews? OG Anunoby? Non of those guys were 5* or McDonald's All-American's coming out of high school who all developed under Tom Crean and had lengthy NBA careers sans OG who started 62 games as a rookie last year.
You don't have to be an IU fan or troll to recognize this.
Except in your case, it does. And a very triggered one at that.but that doesn't mean I'm an IU troll.
You hadn't posted on this board ever until a week ago and not a one of your posts is positive toward Purdue. You've defended iu players, Tom Crean, and etc. And you can't understand why some would think you're nothing but an iu troll? You're either not very bright or you think Purdue fans aren't very bright.
Except in your case, it does. And a very triggered one at that.
I think you are incorrect about Bay Area. However since you don’t care about what others think, then I suspect you will ignore anyone else’s opinions anyway.False. It's just folks like you that think you can fool people in to believing your a Boiler with your over-the-top iu love. There are plenty of people on here that have an different view that can express it without outing themselves as iu people behind a Boiler id.
It's a tactic that happens frequently on here and like you, sooner or later they are exposed because for the cream and crimson fodder they really are.
calling me a homer? Of what college? My alma mater UTSA? USF? Purdue?When Haas signs his pro deal then the discussion is over...…
I guess I am just a positive thinking kind of Purdue guy that knows he will....he works hard and has the skill why would he not.
Give it a few weeks and then the likes of the homer Wol and all these IU trolls can STFU.....
Oh and F#$% IU, always!
Why on earth would I remotely care if some anonymous people on a forum have 'respect' for me? You do realize that this site doesn't have any impact on my or any of our lives right? Especially to the point with worrying whether people 'respect' me or not.By the way, disregarding what others think seems hostile to the rest of us, and you lose a lot of respect from us. It’s not a good strategy for this board.
Why on earth would I remotely care if some anonymous people on a forum have 'respect' for me? You do realize that this site doesn't have any impact on my or any of our lives right? Especially to the point with worrying whether people 'respect' me or not.
If I want to have a good discussion with people then this site is not the place for it and I found that out quickly after I first started coming here. The only reason to visit this site is to stir the trolls up and to entertain yourself. There are many people on here that crap all over threads and if the mods don't care, then why should I?
I'm starting to think it may be Crean himself, as most iu fans I know can't stand the twit.Except in your case, it does. And a very triggered one at that.
So that's it then? Playing in a couple pro-am pick up games in the summer is the only reason? I guess Carsen Edwards going to Joey Burton over the last couple summers is the only reason Carsen Edwards became an AA and NPOY candidate? Sames rules apply right? The jokes right themselves here. It's hard to be objective when you're pushing a narrative right?
Nice try but you fell a little short there you triggered iu poser.Reminding a group of anonymous people that you don't care if people respect you are not when you actively seek out respect by calling any and all others with differing opinions trolls is the exact definition of triggered..
Didn't Eastern also seek outside help to develop and improve his game? To say one coach doesn't know how to develop talent when another one does , you need to first examine your own player development first before looking like a fool making wild ass claims.
Nice try but you fell a little short there you triggered iu person.
That you tom crean? You can go ahead and come clean now, we've figured you out.
What does that mean? How can you sit there and say players can't develop in college? If there was no one and done rule are you telling me someone like Cody Zeller is the 4th pick in the draft coming out of high school? In what world? Cody Zeller came back for his sophomore year, developed a mid-range and face up game and became the 4th overall pick. That is development in any sense of the word developed imaginable. How does someone like IU or Tom Crean not get credit for that?
Never mind IU, look at his time at Marquette. Dwayne Wade was a 3* with offers from Marquette, DePaul, and the directional Illinois schools. He's a first ballot HoFer and arguably the greatest SG of his generation. He's speaks volumes of Tom Crean. Travis Diener? Steve Novak? Wes Matthews? All those guys have enjoyed better NBA career than anybody Matt Painter has recruited with the exception of E'Twuan Moore. Being able to coach X's and O's and develop players aren't the same thing.