Olooooooooo, we were talking about age!
LOL. I see you watch even less NBA than you do Purdue football.
Lillard verses Holiday. One plays defense. One doesn’t! Who is better? My choice is Holiday
I don’t like your answer cuz it’s a poor comparison. Colvin is 18. You could have chosen Someone else that was 18 and playing defense…probably would need to suggest someone in the ncaa since no 18 year old is in the nba right out of high school.
Playing in November & playing in March are 2 totally different situations. I also mentioned specifically, lower seeded teams, that have nothing to lose, are going to throw things at Purdue that they haven't seen. My point was, CMP hasn't faired well at adjusting to those in the tournament.... N. Texas, Ark LR, FDU, St. Peters, etc... are all perfect examples. If you think losing to these teams shows that he has competency in March, then we'll have to agree to disagree.
Same could be said for Loyer.. Can he defend as well as Morton?
People tend to forget the Deer in headlights meltdown vs Cincinnati as well.. I know its because Cinci isn't a "small mid major" type team but we absolutely melted down in that one and lost in OT. Just like the other games mentioned above...
No, he simply doesn't have the size to. However, he understands positioning and footwork much better than Colvin... He also doesn't make the simple mistake of losing his man consistently that allows each layups/dunks...
I disagree.... he gets beat to the basket time & time again... rewatch the Michigan game.
Getting beat to the basket 1 v 1 defending is completely different than being off ball and falling asleep allowing your guy a clear lane to the bucket... That's Colvin's biggest problem and that's a MUCH bigger problem than simply being beat off the dribble... Cause he also gets beat off the dribble... That also tells me he's simply not focusing on defense... I noticed that in high school with him. even in his highlights he would get beat off the dribble but could block the shot due to his athleticism. he has the tools, unlike Loyer, hes simply not putting them to use or still hasn't learned how...
If you read my post, I specifically said he's not good at making adjustments against unfamiliar teams. Playing in the B1G, everyone has everyone scouted. Not that difficult to figure out what teams do. Lets see what he does in March against the mid majors... I eat, sleep & breath Purdue basketball, so I want with a passion to get to a FF & win a title... but I've seen how this all ends way to many times. This is by far Purdue's best chance to win a title. The stars are all aligned. Hopefully CMP will bring it home this year.
I really don't care if it's Colvin, Heide, or whoever... all are better than Loyer at this point. CMP has had numerous chances to get these guys alot more playing time & experience than he has. All should be in the game when we're up 20+ points & not the starters.
We'll, I will agree to disagree that Colvin is better than Loyer right now. I think that's a major stretch. Colvin certainly has a higher ceiling though, no doubt. IMO if anyone should take the starting position away from him it should be Cam. Loyer has a higher defensive rating than either Miles or Heide though... Heide gets beat off the dribble as much as Loyer. He positions himself better for rebounds and doesn't lose his assignment off ball compared to Colvin though. As of right now Heide is the better offensive threat too.
What can a team do that Purdue hasn't seen? Been trying to figure that one out and can't think of something Purdue hasn't seen. Prior to FDU Purdue hadn't seen run&jump that I could recall, but I think Purdue has seen all that is out there. Now maybe Purdue hasn't seen some area as good as it gets, but I don't think there is anything new?
Maybe Purdue has seen it but not enough to scheme against it consistently... Whatever Northwestern and Nebraska have done consistently the last 2 years would suffice...
Hit tough 3 pt shots would be it with an ability to score off of a drive. Any team that does that "can" beat Purdue or UConn. Any team that can hit those and is not a threat inside the arc will not beat Purdue under an average game by Purdue. There are a finite ways of defending things inside the court. Northwestern and Nebraska was more about personnel while hitting those tough shots than any scheme IMO. Any team of similar players that hit tough shots put themselves in a position to beat Purdue. Take Boo or Tominaga having just good games and and that makes it unlikely they win. NW had another advantage in that they had 3 bodies willing to use fouls against Zach because they were not needed on offense and so it isn't scheme being different, but the personnel with their style of play...more player matchup issue I believe than approach.
Honestly I’d like to see loyer get knocked out of the starting lineup. Other than Tennessee and Arizona, 2 games he played that are wayyyyy above where his talent level is, I just don’t think he’s dynamic enough for a top level team.
Agreed.
I think he does a much better job on defense than Myles does. Loyer's in a slump, but he's still better for the team than Myles.
At this point, it’s Purdue playing their game. Don’t turn the ball over/take care of the ball and they put themselves in a great position to win the game.
yes, but in reference to what I wrote Purdue does need to do its thing, but should be able to adapt to whatever the other team does knowing it has seen any scheme several times...with each difference not the scheme as much as the player differences that may make a scheme more or less successful .
There were a few that were doing that, he had like a 4-18 game, I remember a few called for a off the bench role, thankfully, it wasn’t many, just the ones that live and die over this. Right now Colvin is 10th man, I’m fine with it, hope he stays and fights for a starting job next year, if for some reason he elects not to it’s his choice, most every team has players leave, Painter actually does a nice job of keeping most of his guys. I think Colvin is going to be a real good player, he’s not there yet, he’ll get there.
Colvin, if he doesn't want to work on his complete game, might be better served to look at transferring to a school where defense is less important than offense. And before some of you get your panties up your arse, I didn't say anything about wanting him to leave...it's just that I have very little faith that he'll ever be good enough at the defensive side to play the way he's going to have to play under CMP.
Will he be as good as Sasha or Cline was on defense? Those guys were good at defense, right?
I'd agree if Heide had more than one hero game this year and otherwise hasn't really screamed out start me you won't regret it.
Serious question: Has Loyer ever started off poorly and ended up with a good game? It sure seems like it can be determined by the first TV timeout or close to that.
Even if you ignore the mid-major games, he's had good games against Tennessee, Northwestern (twice), Iowa (twice), Arizona, Maryland, Nebraska, Indiana, and Wisconsin. In those 10 games, he averaged 17.3 points and 50% from three (27-54).
Not to me, but think maybe "one" game I remember. I think he had a poor shooting game in a game last year and then ended up hitting the winning basket after a feed to Zach and a kick back out (Michigan/OSU?). He also has made a couple of really good passes to Zach at the end of the game and one bad pass at the end of another.
Myles must have said something mean about RMK.
It's not a matter of comparing 1st half to 2nd half. It's a question if you can tell in the first 5 minutes how he is going to do?Not to me, but think maybe "one" game I remember. I think he had a poor shooting game in a game last year and then ended up hitting the winning basket after a feed to Zach and a kick back out (Michigan/OSU?). He also has made a couple of really good passes to Zach at the end of the game and one bad pass at the end of another.
If the hypothesis is that Fletch is either on or off as I believe I've read on the forum in various threads is a fact...which may be, there are tests that can confirm that for any so interested in gathering the data and plugging in the numbers. Data that might be gathered is makes/misses for 3pt shots, 2pt Fgs...maybe Fts for the first half and also for the second half to try to determine if the second half is no different from the first half. I believe that is the interest I read. Naturally you could go further in breaking apart as well as combining pre-conference vs. conference games...top defensive teams (in the net versus non top defensive games). However, you wanted to compare one group versus another on historical data with the assumption it will represent the future as well. Anyway, not suggesting you, but anyone with an interest might review the link after their data and plug and chug the numbers?
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One thing for sure, Colvin would not have played on a Knight coached team with his bull fighter defense and his shoot first mentality. Intelligence, even at a third grade level, is enough to know that he's not ready to play more than clean up minutes at this level.
