It seems like one time, but I really wasn't tuned into that last year or early this year. It "might" be possible to learn what you want by gathering data in the first five minutes versus the rest of the game, but your sample may not have any shots in the first five minutes...and THAT would take even more work to do and then it is for two years, last year or just this year. Or maybe the first two shots versus the others? None comes easy .
Yeah, I could be all wet too! But I hear it from others that watch PU and they make the comment "well, let's see in the first few minutes if were getting good or bad Loyer". It sure does seem to be the case.It seems like one time, but I really wasn't tuned into that last year or early this year. It "might" be possible to learn what you want by gathering data in the first five minutes versus the rest of the game, but your sample may not have any shots in the first five minutes...and THAT would take even more work to do and then it is for two years, last year or just this year. Or maybe the first two shots versus the others? None comes easy .
It's not frequent enough that any of us can remember many. It certainly hasn't happened recently except he did hit one three last game and had a second wiped out by a hook and hold so maybe that would have started something.
Hell yeah brother!
You don't actually hope that he will. Stop pretending. Just say what you really want to say.
I have no idea either. Like you, I too have heard the narrative which may or may not be true?
lol. Why do folks hate Loyer so much or Morton? They don’t know Colvin or any of these guys. They are just fans arguing perceived shortcomings and best moves to help the team. It means
Lol didn’t mean literally “hate”. I guess I should have clarified and said “why are you always so negative about Colvin posts whenever they are brought up”? I’ll try that next time. Dude is so negative and so sure Myles will never grasp defense even though that’s something that can easily be taught. It does take time for a kid to learn, especially at the D1 level and someone who has not had to play a ton of defense/this scheme prior to getting to Purdue.
One need only look at the metrics to see that D is Purdue's biggest weakness. Our offense is elite no matter who we have on the floor with Edey (yes, even with Morton on the floor). That's why it's been so weird to me to see people suggesting Colvin needs to play over Loyer. Heide I can buy but Colvin? Not so much.
Defense wasn’t the reason they lost to FDU. It was because everybody not named Zach Edey was playing scared and no one could make an outside shot. I believe the people “clamoring for Colvin” believe that somebody who can come in and provide instant offense would keep something like that from happening again. This team is what it is defensively…guards are undersized and not as athletic or quick as those they are guarding. Sometimes you have to win by out scoring the other team. I’d like to think that if the coaching staff saw one of those kind of games developing that they would be willing to try something out of their comfort zone to try and win the game and not just revert to the deer in headlights game plan.
I agree that defense wasn't the reason. Turnovers and missed open shots cost them the game. But if you go back the previous year, Purdue had the most dynamic guard in the nation and they played every game to simply outscore the opponents. For most of the season they were able to do so through poor defense and high turnovers. Then they lost to St. Peter's.
26.3%, 39.4% and 33.3%. Are we talking about shooting percentages or an unwillingness to shoot? Because that's what I read in your post I responded to.
His 9 points weren’t that dynamic in that game.
The Nebraska game is just sort of an outlier and yeah they were 33.3% on 3-9 shooting vs OSU. That’s not going to get it done.
Now you are making the point that simply having dynamic guards is not the answer.
No, I just think there’s something to what Trevion said and I think we know who he was talking about. Dynamic guards who aren’t playing dynamically are just guards.
You bring the point several people make here about a single elimination tournament shouldn't determine whether your season was successful. Purdue lost when their lottery pick player had a bad game.
Because offense during conference play is one thing, but we've seen the offense go stagnant and stumble when it matters most in March.
What have you seen this season that suggests guys aren't willing to take and make shots?
The games at Northwestern and Ohio State.
I'd love to rewatch those games with you so you can show me where guys were afraid to take shots. OSU did a great job of taking away the 3P line but that doesn't mean guys were afraid to shoot.
Here is a thought, but not to get inside the dialog, but to only offer a perspective. If the offense is the same, every team trying to figure out how to beat Purdue this year has North Texas, St. Peters and FDU game to review and implement and so far only the OSU game is a reasonable replication and knowing what I know that I will not say, I believe Purdue beats OSU if played again.
we took too long to get into our sets in that game. Lots of times Smith was dribbling out by half court and it took time off the shot clock and slowed down the tempo of the game
Yes, at times this year (although few and far between) as well as in past years.
When I rewatched the game I specifically looked for when Braden was across the time line until I lost interest. This was probably the first 10 or so times and most the numbers were in 22 to 23 seconds. This doesn't say "when" an offense actually started which would need a line of demarcation.
I don’t think they are necessarily scared to shoot like they were in the FDU game, but they have to be able to knock down the open looks. Loyer was slumping, Lance has put up a lot of air balls for some reason lately, and I do think they get a little tight and miss from time to time which makes them vulnerable like the OSU and Northwestern games or past tournament games.
Well, I mean they are directly related. The reason why you start him is the idea that his contributions on the offensive end overwrite his deficiencies on the defensive end.
Could that have been OSUs game plan? They pushed us off where we wanted to start sets. They also executed very well in their offensive set where they took the clock down and would either score a bucket or get an offensive board and start all over (we rebounded poorly or maybe they did a great job).
Purdue has to hit shots...no question, but consider the following possibility: Zach does NOT have to be on the blocks, but is now quick enough to go out a bit. Now his defender dos NOT have to respect him out there and can defend the lane...somewhat like Zach does against some teams, but he can't drop too far because Zach can become a dependable screener in those situations where he helps a Purdue guy with the ball by screening for him and no 5 man on Zach to help defend that action. That player...Fletch...Lance...Braden...Myles...Cam can just go back and forth on that screen until they get the shot they want or drive a bit deeper and for the opposition 5 man to cover with Zach diving to the basket. I really think Purdue should be able to handle the D a bit better with this team...but you still have to make shots.
BTW, I wanted Nojel to be used in a similar fashion, but it wouldn't be near a effective as Zach IMO
My wife tells me that "being all wet" is a good thing!!!!!
Good thoughts, generally your dive into the technical aspects of the game are. Here is an add on. As much of folks have been begging for Colvin and early in the season all calling for Zach to take/make a three, I was calling for something else. I had hoped that when Zach popped out to set a screen, he might turn sometimes and hit a short face shot like NBA centers. That would make the offense a little less predictable and help Zach get to the next level. I know long twos are frowned upon these days so I suppose that and lack of confidence in Zach’s shot made that a no go.Purdue has to hit shots...no question, but consider the following possibility: Zach does NOT have to be on the blocks, but is now quick enough to go out a bit. Now his defender dos NOT have to respect him out there and can defend the lane...somewhat like Zach does against some teams, but he can't drop too far because Zach can become a dependable screener in those situations where he helps a Purdue guy with the ball by screening for him and no 5 man on Zach to help defend that action. That player...Fletch...Lance...Braden...Myles...Cam can just go back and forth on that screen until they get the shot they want or drive a bit deeper and for the opposition 5 man to cover with Zach diving to the basket. I really think Purdue should be able to handle the D a bit better with this team...but you still have to make shots.
You don't see the difference in Edey and Smith?
You know who wants Zach taking those shots? Other teams. It takes away from his HUGE advantage of size and ability to take very high % shots. No reason for him to shoot those consistently in college.
Yeah, I get it that Smith has taken a big step forward and Zach is Zach. He’s great. Braden is still a bit undersized and can at times be sped up, turn it over, and not look for his shot. That being said, as mentioned before, in a single elimination game if one or both of them go cold it gets real tough and if everybody has a bad night then it’s lights out.
9 total were drafted from that team but that year, 8 of them were main contributors (I think poythress was hurt early on). I think that helped being able to go 10 deep and be so good still.
