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I watched the Hoosier hysteria scrimmage. I did not see a top level team that they have been projected to be. I was not impressed. Offense was fairly stagnant with the usual Woodson offensive look.

Limited feedback seen after the Illini played, and have seen no film.
 
I watched the Hoosier hysteria scrimmage. I did not see a top level team that they have been projected to be. I was not impressed. Offense was fairly stagnant with the usual Woodson offensive look.

Limited feedback seen after the Illini played, and have seen no film.
Illini, according to their fans, are a F4 team with best passer (Jakucionis) and player (Riley) and shooter (humrichous) and best big man (ivisic — who isn’t eligible yet).
 
I watched the Hoosier hysteria scrimmage. I did not see a top level team that they have been projected to be. I was not impressed. Offense was fairly stagnant with the usual Woodson offensive look.

Limited feedback seen after the Illini played, and have seen no film.
It's a team that's been playing together for like 2 months and missing a couple guys. Will learn a little bit more on Sunday. But probably not much.
 
Still can’t shoot
“The scrimmage won’t do anything to quiet concerns over the team’s 3-point shooting potential. Goode hit back-to-back 3-pointers early in the game, but neither team hit another 3-pointer until the final minute.”

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Seems like your assessment would be correct.
 
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“The scrimmage won’t do anything to quiet concerns over the team’s 3-point shooting potential. Goode hit back-to-back 3-pointers early in the game, but neither team hit another 3-pointer until the final minute.”

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Seems like your assessment would be correct.
Yeah, I checked it out. Goode will come off the bench most likely which is probably a mistake.
 
Galloway was the biggest. He doesn't help the shooting any, unless he returns to his junior year but he's still a 5th year guy. and then Newton was out. Not sure what minutes he sees anyways but just interested in seeing him play finally and getting healthy.
Meh doesn’t really move the needle either way. Newton won’t see many mins at all this year and won’t be up to the speed of the game yet. He’s still at least a year out. Galloway…maybe he will win something worthwhile this year?
 
Meh doesn’t really move the needle either way. Newton won’t see many mins at all this year and won’t be up to the speed of the game yet. He’s still at least a year out. Galloway…maybe he will win something worthwhile this year?
I don't know. But Galloway helps if there are other ball handlers on the court with him. Problem with last year, he became a primary ball handler. His junior year TJD and Hood-Schfino were ahead of him. So the hope is that having Rice and Carlyle will be a positive for him. He's a better slasher and driving off the ball swinging around the perimeter.
 
Yeah, I checked it out. Goode will come off the bench most likely which is probably a mistake.
Goode shot 4 threes a game last year at UofI, making 1.6 on average.

IU as a team shot 5/15.5 a game on average compared to 8.5/23.9 a game by UofI from 3. If Woody doesn’t incorporate the 3 more into the offense, I don’t see how Goode will get 4 attempts per game.
 
I don't know. But Galloway helps if there are other ball handlers on the court with him. Problem with last year, he became a primary ball handler. His junior year TJD and Hood-Schfino were ahead of him. So the hope is that having Rice and Carlyle will be a positive for him. He's a better slasher and driving off the ball swinging around the perimeter.
He going to start over Tucker?
 
He going to start over Tucker?
I'm not sure Galloway starts at all. Rice, Carlyle, Mgbako, Reneau and Ballo were the starters for HH. 2nd team played pretty well with Cupps, Leal, Goode, Tucker and Hatton. I think that had more to do with having 3 5fh year guys in Leal, Goode and Hatton. They just played better team ball and hustled.
 
Yeah, I checked it out. Goode will come off the bench most likely which is probably a mistake.

He's not a starter level player in the B1G IMO, but he can shoot well. And they have 3 highly paid (and likely promised PT) in front of him + Galloway and Mgbako. I just don't see how he gets on the court often enough for his shooting to make much of a difference. Nor will Woody design plays to get him a good look.
 
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He's not a starter level player in the B1G IMO, but he can shoot well. And they have 3 highly paid (and likely promised PT) in front of him + Galloway and Mgbako. I just don't see how he gets on the court often enough for his shooting to make much of a difference. Nor will Woody design plays to get him a good look.
Woody says he will look at playing Mgbako and Goode at the 4. Meaning he never will.
 
I'm not sure Galloway starts at all. Rice, Carlyle, Mgbako, Reneau and Ballo were the starters for HH. 2nd team played pretty well with Cupps, Leal, Goode, Tucker and Hatton. I think that had more to do with having 3 5fh year guys in Leal, Goode and Hatton. They just played better team ball and hustled.
Second team played well with that lineup?? Is that not a bit concerning? How can that lineup compete with the first team?

I remember the IU board last year said Cupps and the second team were beating the first team and they thought that was a good thing lol
 
Second team played well with that lineup?? Is that not a bit concerning? How can that lineup compete with the first team?

I remember the IU board last year said Cupps and the second team were beating the first team and they thought that was a good thing lol
They just looked more cohesive. No surprise. No clue what things will look like when the actual season starts. There wasn't much to take from the scrimmage other than the bench guys tried harder.
 
They just looked more cohesive. No surprise. No clue what things will look like when the actual season starts. There wasn't much to take from the scrimmage other than the bench guys tried harder.
The thing I noticed was that when Rice, Carlyle and Mbacko were on the red team, the white team was winning. The three then switched to the white team and all of a sudden the red team was winning. I know it ended in a tie but only because Mbacko hit a prayer bank shot at the buzzer.

It really stood out to me that the team losing throughout was the team with those three starters. Probably not a good sign.
 
Woodson has to be feeling a ton of pressure to win this season with all of the talent that they brought in. They will certainly have some success, but will it be enough to get Woodson off of the hot seat? My guess is no.
 
Woodson has to be feeling a ton of pressure to win this season with all of the talent that they brought in. They will certainly have some success, but will it be enough to get Woodson off of the hot seat? My guess is no.
Especially if the miss on Mullins today (likely to UConn) and only have Sisley as next years class.

Which…if history repeats itself, he (now at Montverde) may just decommit (just like McNeely) and guess who has a spot open for 2025 that recruited him In the same state? 😏 😏
 
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The thing I noticed was that when Rice, Carlyle and Mbacko were on the red team, the white team was winning. The three then switched to the white team and all of a sudden the red team was winning. I know it ended in a tie but only because Mbacko hit a prayer bank shot at the buzzer.

It really stood out to me that the team losing throughout was the team with those three starters. Probably not a good sign.
They got a long way to go. Mgbako and one of Rice and Carlyle switched. I can't remember which. But that's something for Woody to figure out.
 
Especially if the miss on Mullins today (likely to UConn) and only have Sisley as next years class.

Which…if history repeats itself, he (now at Montverde) may just decommit (just like McNeely) and guess who has a spot open for 2025 that recruited him In the same state? 😏 😏
There is no if. Next year's class will be Sisley unless there is a late commitment again. It'll be dipping into the portal but as of now, Rice, Carlyle, Mgbako, Reneau, Cupps, Newton, Tucker should be expected back.
 
Woodson has to be feeling a ton of pressure to win this season with all of the talent that they brought in. They will certainly have some success, but will it be enough to get Woodson off of the hot seat? My guess is no.
I keep seeing references to all of that talent for the Hoosiers. I just don’t think the talent level is that high. Ballo is a good piece but not a superstar, Rice and Carlyle high ranking coming out of high school but they seem to me to be average talent until proven otherwise. They didn’t have great seasons last year, just solid contributors, Goode shooting ability could turn into one of the better contributions from the portal. I could be proven wrong but I think with Woody as the coach, the hype they’re receiving is overblown.
 
I keep seeing references to all of that talent for the Hoosiers. I just don’t think the talent level is that high. Ballo is a good piece but not a superstar, Rice and Carlyle high ranking coming out of high school but they seem to me to be average talent until proven otherwise. They didn’t have great seasons last year, just solid contributors, Goode shooting ability could turn into one of the better contributions from the portal. I could be proven wrong but I think with Woody as the coach, the hype they’re receiving is overblown.
Ballo was the best 5 in the PAC-12 last year. He was first team All-Conference (for the second time) and first team All-Defense. He is not a guy that demands the ball much so he loses some shine because he's not a prolific scorer, but he's a dirty work, active defensive presence. He has averaged at least 8.5 RPG and at least 12.5 PPG two straight years. If you look at per/40 MPG contributions compared to National Player of the Year Edey? Ballo was better at rebounds, FG%, and steals, and was close to Edey in a few other categories. And Edey was really, really dominant.

Myles Rice was the 227th composite ranked player out of high school, then beat leukemia, and then four months after being cleared to play again as a freshman was a 30+ mpg point guard, about 15 PPG, and a better than 2:1 A/TO ratio on a 25-10, 14-6, 7 seed team at Washington State, a school that hadn't made the tourney in 16 years prior. In his freshman year he was Pac-12 Freshman of the Year and All-Pac-12 First Team. And he was Washington State student athlete of the year. He had a truly great freshman year.

Carlyle was pretty highly ranked, and was PAC-12 freshman first team at Stanford. He fits your description of 'high-ranked, solid freshman year'.

Bottom line? The talent level is proven and extremely high. If the results aren't there? It's on Woodson.
 
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Ballo was the best 5 in the PAC-12 last year. He was first team All-Conference (for the second time) and first team All-Defense. He is not a guy that demands the ball much so he loses some shine because he's not a prolific scorer, but he's a dirty work, active defensive presence. He has averaged at least 8.5 RPG and at least 12.5 PPG two straight years. If you look at per/40 MPG contributions compared to National Player of the Year Edey? Ballo was better at rebounds, FG%, and steals, and was close to Edey in a few other categories. And Edey was really, really dominant.

Myles Rice was the 227th composite ranked player out of high school, then beat leukemia, and then four months after being cleared to play again as a freshman was a 30+ mpg point guard, about 15 PPG, and a better than 2:1 A/TO ratio on a 25-10, 14-6, 7 seed team at Washington State, a school that hadn't made the tourney in 16 years prior. In his freshman year he was Pac-12 Freshman of the Year and All-Pac-12 First Team. And he was Washington State student athlete of the year. He had a truly great freshman year.

Carlyle was pretty highly ranked, and was PAC-12 freshman first team at Stanford. He fits your description of 'high-ranked, solid freshman year'.

Bottom line? The talent level is proven and extremely high. If the results aren't there? It's on Woodson.
Ballo - did you really just try and say Ballo was comparable to Edey PER 40? Ballo's best PER 40 is comparable to Edey's freshman year PER 40. And then you try to say he was better at....steals? He averaged 1.4 steals per game this past year over 0.4 for Edey this past year....maybe that's because Edey avg more blocks and it would have been even more, but players didn't even try Edey at times. And then FG%...Edey was 4% less on 3 more makes and 5 more attempts. And rebounds Ballo averaged .4 more PER 40 this past year, but if we look at their career, Edey averaged almost 2 more a game PER 40. And Points wise (looking at total career here) Edey averaged 10 ppg more PER40 than Ballo. And we all know that Ballo couldn't even go a full 40 like Edey, anyways. Ballo is also dreadful from the FT line...him and Reneau may form the one of the worst front court shooting FT duos in the country. Also, being the best "5" in the PAC12 isn't that impressive because he would be in the NBA if he were that good (am I doing it right? That's what the IU fan base said about Edey coming back for his 4th year, right?).

Rice -- so he's older as a sophomore, correct? So will we see that jump even though he's older than a normal soph? He's decent, but getting dubbed as the best PG (by yet again IU fans....thought they'd learn their lesson from last year's debacle with X). Being All Pac 12 is a bit misleading when they have 10 players as first team, no?

Carlyle -- should be good, but who knows with him. His season was so up and down with a horrible Stanford team last year. How will he do with not being the main focus all the time? Him and Rice were not very good at shooting the 3....especially in 2024.

But yes, the talent is there on paper. However, Woodson NEEDS to change their offensive scheme to include more 3PAs and focus on the defensive on guarding the 3 ball.
 
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Ballo - did you really just try and say Ballo was comparable to Edey PER 40? Ballo's best PER 40 is comparable to Edey's freshman year PER 40. And then you try to say he was better at....steals? He averaged 1.4 steals per game this past year over Edey this past year....maybe that's because Edey avg more blocks and it would have been more, but players didn't even try Edey at times. And then FG%...Edey was 4% less on 3 more makes and 5 more attempts. And rebounds Ballo averaged .4 more PER 40 this past year, but if we look at their career, Edey averaged almost 2 more a game PER 40. And Points wise (looking at total career here) Edey averaged 10 ppg more PER40 than Ballo. And we all know that Ballo couldn't even go a full 40 like Edey, anyways. Ballo is also dreadful from the FT line...him and Reneau may form the one of the worst front court shooting FT duos in the country. Also, being the best "5" in the PAC12 isn't that impressive because he would be in the NBA if he were that good (am I doing it right? That's what the IU fan base said about Edey coming back for his 4th year, right?).

Rice -- so he's older as a sophomore, correct? So will we see that jump even though he's older than a normal soph? He's decent, but getting dubbed as the best PG (by yet again IU fans....thought they'd learn their lesson from last year's debacle with X). Being All Pac 12 is a bit misleading when they have 10 players as first team, no?

Carlyle -- should be good, but who knows with him. His season was so up and down with a horrible Stanford team last year. How will he do with not being the main focus all the time? Him and Rice were not very good at shooting the 3....especially in 2024.

But yes, the talent is there on paper. However, Woodson NEEDS to change their offensive scheme to include more 3PAs and focus on the defensive on guarding the 3 ball.
I said that last season Ballo had better per 40 rebounds and steals, and a better fg %. Unless I read wrong, that is what I posted and it remains accurate.

Yes; Rice was on a ten person conference 1st team. He was also his conference freshman of the year— there’s only one of those. So yes— he was “decent” last year.

And I don’t give a care what you think would be generally said by any particular fan base. So no, you’re not doing that right.

And yes, IU needs to shoot the three better. And Woody has to be better in his last year as IU’s coach. The contrast between him and Cignetti, Moren, and Yeagley is striking.
 
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I said that last season Ballo had better per 40 rebounds and steals, and a better fg %. Unless I read wrong, that is what I posted and it remains accurate.

Yes; Rice was on a ten person conference 1st team. He was also his conference freshman of the year— there’s only one of those. So yes— he was “decent” last year.

And I don’t give a care what you think would be generally said by any particular fan base. So no, you’re not doing that right.

And yes, IU needs to shoot the three better. And Woody has to be better in his last year as IU’s coach. The contrast between him and Cignetti, Moren, and Yeagley is striking.
Just …just don’t try and compare Ballo to Edey. Lmao. Just. No.
 
I said that last season Ballo had better per 40 rebounds and steals, and a better fg %. Unless I read wrong, that is what I posted and it remains accurate.

Yes; Rice was on a ten person conference 1st team. He was also his conference freshman of the year— there’s only one of those. So yes— he was “decent” last year.

And I don’t give a care what you think would be generally said by any particular fan base. So no, you’re not doing that right.

And yes, IU needs to shoot the three better. And Woody has to be better in his last year as IU’s coach. The contrast between him and Cignetti, Moren, and Yeagley is striking.
IU fans are in for a letdown if they think Rice and Carlyle are going to be studs. This is Bigten basketball which is a whole new ballgame from what they are used to.

Comparing Ballo to Edey…LMAO.
 
IU fans are in for a letdown if they think Rice and Carlyle are going to be studs. This is Bigten basketball which is a whole new ballgame from what they are used to.

Comparing Ballo to Edey…LMAO.
I clearly stated that Edey was a really dominant National Player of the year; for Ballo to be comparable in a few measurables means he was really good at certain things.

One guy’s opinion (which could be quite wrong); I think Rice will be a stud, and that Carlyle will be a notable disappointment. But that’s just me.
 
This might even be better than when they tried to compare Cupps to Smith.
Don’t turn this into “Ballo is or is going to be as good as Edey.” That’s not what I said and it will not happen. Bally doesn’t have to be National Player of the Year to be a good player.

A better comp for Ballo is Kofi Cockburn minus five ppg.
 
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