Seems to happen a lot at IU...keep telling yourself that it is just a matter of time though, seems like a great way to resolve it...a very Archie-esque one if there ever was one.
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Robert Johnson - he was a solid player, but more of a role player. Archie has him for one season.
Juwan Morgan - Averaged 7 pts 5 rebs on a bad team. It wasn’t until Archie became coach that he became a good player in the Big Ten.
Deron Davis - tore his Achilles. Never the same player after that. Was only able to play 15 games Archie’s first year.
Devonte Green - ranked 197th as a recruit. The year before Archie got there he averaged 4 points.
Josh Newkirk - LOL - transfer from Pitt that was an awful player
Freddie McSwain - JUCO that was not good enough for the Big Ten.
Tim priller- I mean really...
Zach McRoberts - The roster was so bad that this trash player was a starter and played 22 min/gm.
Justin Smith (FR) - Solid recruit ranked in the 80s. Played like recruits ranked in the 80s play (not great as a freshman).
Al Durham (FR) - ranked 200+. No business being on the court as a freshman. Played 19 min/gm.
Clifton Moore - LOL.
To put it into perspective for you. Archie inherited a team that finished 10th in the Big Ten. That 10th place team had two NBA starters. It also had James Blackmon Jr who was a really good college player. To act like Archie inherited a good situation is crazy.
Newkirk/Green
Johnson/Durham
McRoberts
Smith/McSwain
Morgan/Davis (only 15 games and coming off Achilles)
Tell me again how that roster is a good one?
"For those who can count"...thus why he was eliminated, as well as so many more of the myopic fan base. Then again, what's a decade here or there...it is irrelevant to any of them in discussing their non-existent "Blue Blood" status.
Roster wasn’t terrible but not a juggernaut some of these Purdue folks make it out to be. Losing Davis hurt but was thoroughly impressed with the emergence of Morgan. Not having a PG killed that team, Newkirk was terrible. The fact that team went .500 in conference given that McSwain and McRoberts started the last third of the year is pretty impressive.
That roster was dogsh*t. McSwain and McRoberts started a combined 25 games.
Morgan and RoJo were the only players that were worth anything on that team.
Never said it was a juggernaut. It was better than what Painter inherited at Purdue and he got to the tournament in Year 2.
Don't you 2 love birds have your own board to jump on.
Just for perspective the iu recruiting classes prior to lil' archie's arrival(2014 through 2017) were rated (by 247) 3rd(Big Ten)/21st(National) in 2014, 5th/32nd(2015), 3rd/23rd(2016) and 3rd/32nd(2017) so not "terrible". What happened after they arrived on campus is on the iu staff(s). So you iu fans will pardon us Purdue fans for not gushing over another highly rated recruit/class.
Also, the final conference finishes in the first three years are 6th, 9th then 11th. Not exactly trending in the best direction, huh?
Also, the final conference finishes in the first three years are 6th, 9th then 11th. Not exactly trending in the best direction, huh?
Yep, year 1 was a mess with Spates and Minnoy recruiting class who transferred during that year. We were competitive with eventual champion Florida in the tournament year 2 with a couple guys (Landry and Teague) who were coming off injuries plus Kramer as an unheralded freshman.
Painter inherited Carl Landry and David Teague lol. Not to mention he is a Keady clone, so the players already knew the offense and defensive schemes. Completely different situation.
Lol. Sheena Easton “9 to 5 Morning train” playing in background while showing him going to work. Good episode
They must be feeling insecure lately. Tough realization knowing nobody cares about their program anymore besides them.
Painter was also hand-picked to replace Keady and spent a year on the sideline before he took over. The transition wasn’t hard.
Fellas, let’s stay on topic here. Lies, drama, and tiger king.
All those highly rated guys, minus Johnson and Davis (who got hurt), were gone by the time Archie got there. That’s why he was stuck with guys like McSwain and McRoberts playing so many minutes. Not many front courts that go 6’7, 6’6, and 6’4 are going to survive in the B10.
Ya. This ain’t football. 3 years and you should see an improvement. Just laughable. 3 years into it and Dayton Is further along without the lil guy. And most of those recruits getting the minutes are not his former recruits. We as Purdue fans hope that you guys keep him forever. If you were such a great program you should of been able to reel in a big time coach , but didn’t.
Archie’s 3 years
IU BIG finish
2018- 6th place
2019- 9th place
2020 -10th place and 11 seed
As a Boilermaker I love that trajectory
Time to print the new shirts
“We’re Back”
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LOL
These stats give no context.
2014:
JBJ: 20th
RoJo: 49th
Holt: 260th
Montana: 364
April: 410
Priller: 436
Only Johnson and Priller were on the team under Archie.
2015:
Bryant: 20th
Morgan: 117th
OG: 294th
Only Morgan played for Archie
2016:
Davis: 40th - tore Achilles Crean’s last year
Jones: 85th
Green: 197th
Gelon: 391st
Post injury Davis and Green are the only ones to play for Archie.
2017:
Smith: 78th
Moore: 151st
Durham: 230th
All 3 were on the roster under Archie, but Moore never saw PT before transferring.
So Archie inherited:
RoJo (49th) - 1 year
Priller (436th) - year
Morgan (117th) - 2 years
Davis (40th) - 3 years
Green (197th) - 3 years
Smith (78th) - 4 years
Durham (230th) - 4 years
That’s an average recruit ranking of 164th. Archie’s worst recruit rankings wise is Franklin at 151st.
Using conference finish as the end be all to gauge a team is disingenuous and you know better. Conferences vary year to year and aren’t created equal. This last years team was Archie’s best team yet by every analytical measure and it’s not really close. Despite finishing 10th in the B10, IU was still a tournament team in year 3 under Archie HAD one been played. Saying Archie’s 2017 team was better than this years team based on conference standing is awful. 2017 was the weakest the B10’s ever been. 4th place Nebraska didn’t even get a bid.
Again, you really don’t understand context.
Archie’s first team finished 16-15 (terrible record by the way) and wasn’t invited to a postseason tournament. His second team finished 19-16 and was on the wrong side of the bubble. Played in the NIT. His 3rd team finished 20-12 in the deepest the Big Ten has ever been. They were going to be on the right side of the bubble this year. To purely look at conference standing for saying what teams are better is laughable.
His final Kenpom numbers show a different trend.
So you're saying the great recruiting rankings didn't translate to great success, huh? Just maybe that still applies to the newest guys too. Given that lil' archie's best conference finish was the first year with the roster you called(I believe) dogshit maybe the roster wasn't as bad as you claim. Especially since the more time he's had, and presumably bigger impact on his guys, the subsequent conference finishes were 9th and 11th.
I probably attribute that to the B10 being downright awful in Archie’s first year more than anything. Archie’s highest rated recruits have also been his best players. But one player isn’t going to win you every game. Now that Archie’s highest rated recruits are now playing with better rated players (that Archie actually recruited) it’s not out of the question to expect better results. Is that fair?
dude... if he doesn't make the tournament, he's gone. That is, ASS-U-ME(ing) anyone on that campus still has two brain cells to rub together.
Then... THEN ...!.... they can finally hire Brad Stevens.
Do all Purdue fans look at things without context? In 2018 only 4 Big Ten teams made the tournament. It was one of the weakest Big Tens ever. This year 10 teams would have made the tournament. It was the strongest Big Ten ever. If you think the 2018 team was better than the 2020 team simply because they finished higher in the Big Ten, I’m guessing you are one of the few Purdue fans who didn’t actually attend Purdue.
As for recruiting rankings leading to success, Tom Crean is not a good coach, yet Lansing too talent allowed him to win 2 Big Ten championships and make 3 SSs. His talent covered up a lot of his flaws. His issue is that he would only recruit top talent. He would land some, but miss on a lot. He would then panic and sign garbage players just to fill out the roster (ie. Priller, April, Gelon, etc). The Cody Zeller teams and the 2016 had solid depth, and were really good teams because of it. His other teams only had stars and no depth. They sucked. Archie now has stars and depth. We will see what he does with them.
-Kaufman
-Wesley/Aminu/Nate Johnson(1 of the 3)
-grad transfer Big
I’m fairly confident in Kaufman and a getting a GT big. Think IU has work to do getting one of the 3 guard/wings but like where IU sits with Wesley now a lot more than I did a month ago. Think Nate Johnson will commit if Wesley doesn’t.
We finally agree on something.
Still super early in the process, but I would guess Kaufman, Wesley, and Louis Lesmond.
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@boiler1987
Editing this post as I can’t post on here until tomorrow as I’m a new user. To answer your question on my thoughts on Morton, I laid them out pretty clearly in the following thread:
https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/overall-plus-minus-for-each-big-team.191739/#post-2587717
I’m assuming you are asking because you saw my post on the IU board?
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You may think it’s disingenuous to use conference standings as a measure of program trajectory. I think it’s disingenuous to call Iu a tourney team this year , when they were at best still a bubble team. What happens if they get smoked the next night ? Very probable for how bad IU was Away from Assembly Hall against teams with a pulse. What if Purdue happens to run off 2-3 victories in BIG tourney ? If it comes down to IU / Purdue. Who would have the head to head and better resume? Purdue. Too many ifs to just say IU was in. We will never know , because there was no BIG tourney completed and no selection Sunday.
Dude, IU fans come over here spouting off about Purdue with ZERO context. Get over yourself...
BTW, you've never won 7 in a row before, so yeah, it is something you haven't done before...
IU was playing Penn State the following night. There wasn’t a team playing worse down the stretch in the B10 than Penn State who had lost 5/6. IU won more games away from home than Penn State so your argument is moot. Losing to Penn State wasn’t going to knock IU out of the tournament, it would have been a Q1 loss.
Still haven't been in the tournament since 2016 regardless of your argument...
Sure , Because you are able to predict what would of happened in the BIG and all other Conf tourneys. Those tourneys always play out like we think. LOL. Bubble team at best. And we will never ever know. So the streak continues !!
Have I ever once said IU’s played in a tournament since 2016? Yikes, you’re an IDIOT.
