Colvin

[qazplm]

Loyer makes a fair amount of bad or lazy passes

I mean I think there's no evidence so far that we should switch out Loyer for Colvin so I'm unclear of your point. By no means is Loyer perfect. But to this point, if I were required to replace Loyer in the starting lineup at gunpoint, Colvin wouldn't be my first replacement, Heide would.

 

[DenverBoiler]

Being a poor defender puts a lot more pressure on your rim protector.

If Colvin is missing defensive switches or going under on a screen or being beaten off the dribble - even one or two times a game - that can put Edey in a situation where he is picking up fouls. Which is our biggest weakness.

For Colvin, I look at Ivey. He didnt play minutes in Dec and Jan. Then slowly started playing minutes in February and was in the rotation by tournament. I hope for a similar path for Mr Colvin but that is on him to put in the work.

 

[Boilerball3]

Next year’s starters are Smith Loyer Heide Catchings and Renn ? Pretty small lineup just don’t see it. Furst ,Renn , Catchings , Heide and Smith would be more like it

Loyer is starting for 4 years, that’s a fact

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

Being a poor defender puts a lot more pressure on your rim protector.

If Colvin is missing defensive switches or going under on a screen or being beaten off the dribble - even one or two times a game - that can put Edey in a situation where he is picking up fouls. Which is our biggest weakness.

For Colvin, I look at Ivey. He didnt play minutes in Dec and Jan. Then slowly started playing minutes in February and was in the rotation by tournament. I hope for a similar path for Mr Colvin but that is on him to put in the work.

Ivey missed about 6 games after injuring his foot (i believe) in the opener against Clemson. He came off the bench upon his return.

 

[Boilerball3]

If history repeats itself with CMP

1- Smith
2-Loyer
3-Catchings
4/5- Furst
4/5 TKR

Smith will play as much or more next season and consume 35 mins a game if it is a game.

Colvin
Heide
Harris

Those three get the most mins off the bench and can play a smaller line up against teams like Nebraska who goes small.

Iceberg backs up the 5 and Furst or TKR can slide into the 4 spot.

That’s 9

Then the 10th spot who will get Colvin like mins (this year) will be Burgess who’s the most polished of the rest of the guys.

Side note hot take. If Benter comes in and shows he can play D, he may not redshirt and might steal a spot. Dude is a DUDE.

Cox and Jacobsen redshirt (and possibly Benter)

Does Waddell become a walk on and be a deep bench option for his career?

What a problem to have!!!!

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

If history repeats itself with CMP

1- Smith
2-Loyer
3-Catchings
4/5- Furst
4/5 TKR

Smith will play as much or more next season and consume 35 mins a game if it is a game.

Colvin
Heide
Harris

Those three get the most mins off the bench and can play a smaller line up against teams like Nebraska who goes small.

Iceberg backs up the 5 and Furst or TKR can slide into the 4 spot.

That’s 9

Then the 10th spot who will get Colvin like mins (this year) will be Burgess who’s the most polished of the rest of the guys.

Side note hot take. If Benter comes in and shows he can play D, he may not redshirt and might steal a spot. Dude is a DUDE.

Cox and Jacobsen redshirt (and possibly Benter)

Does Waddell become a walk on and be a deep bench option for his career?

What a problem to have!!!!

Someone on that list has to leave. Oversigned.

 

[tjreese]

Being a poor defender puts a lot more pressure on your rim protector.

If Colvin is missing defensive switches or going under on a screen or being beaten off the dribble - even one or two times a game - that can put Edey in a situation where he is picking up fouls. Which is our biggest weakness.

For Colvin, I look at Ivey. He didnt play minutes in Dec and Jan. Then slowly started playing minutes in February and was in the rotation by tournament. I hope for a similar path for Mr Colvin but that is on him to put in the work.

One of the things that "appear" to me to be a bit different...and I have NO hard data is that it seems that Purdue is going under more screens this year than last year and maybe s few years before that. I know that is a function of who is being defended AND the other offensive players on the court, but again just on gut with no hard data it seems Purdue is going under more this year and not sure that is a bad thing. That said it also appears that when Braden and Lance in particular do go over the top they are not trailing as much and are getting into the offensive player enough to get some space to stay with him

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Well we already need one person to go. Could be Furst. Could be someone else. I'm just saying how next year's roster looks isn't definitive. And with NIL, options for people to play without a scholarship is now a thing that's possible.

What if Gillis gets NIL worth say 100k (and assuming he can't get more somewhere else)?

I think Furst plays more minutes next year. As for Colvin, if he can't learn to play defense he has very little value. To give up more than you score is a losing effort.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Morton should over Colvin...Morton plays defense.

Imo 70% of the time the only place Morton needs to be is on the bench all game. Of course there is that 30% where he can stay with his guys and that is marvelous at times. I try to recognize him for those, so far only twice this season.

Imo Heide first off bench for guards. Colvin 2. Only use Morton in rare, special circumstances where you got a slower guy scoring. Not often you find that in D1, but it happens.

 

[tjreese]

Someone on that list has to leave. Oversigned.

I haven't paid attention to this for some time, but how many scholly AND walk on players can there be on a team? Has NIL changed the landscape relative to players? I have a hard enough time keeping up with current players and actual things in games, but assume some will redshirt and yet unaware if a Mason wanted to play at Purdue if NIL and walkon were even possible. Personally, I can see him going to ND if he wants another year, but isn't he already finishing up a masters? Maybe a second masters? Close to home, good conference and Micah loves shooters and the 3 ball

 

[Boilerball3]

Someone on that list has to leave. Oversigned.

You missed the part where it says

“Does Waddell become a walk on and be a deep bench option for his career”

 

[Boilerball3]

I haven't paid attention to this for some time, but how many scholly AND walk on players can there be on a team? Has NIL changed the landscape relative to players? I have a hard enough time keeping up with current players and actual things in games, but assume some will redshirt and yet unaware if a Mason wanted to play at Purdue if NIL and walkon were even possible. Personally, I can see him going to ND if he wants another year, but isn't he already finishing up a masters? Maybe a second masters? Close to home, good conference and Micah loves shooters and the 3 ball

13 scholarships to go around and we currently roster 17 but I believe you can only have 15 players on the roster at game time.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

You missed the part where it says

“Does Waddell become a walk on and be a deep bench option for his career”

I love how people think it's just a snap of the fingers to speculate that Waddell gives up his scholarship because his dad works at Lilly.

 

[tjreese]

13 scholarships to go around and we currently roster 17 but I believe you can only have 15 players on the roster at game time.

I was thinking of the 13 and 15 but wasn't sure if it returned to 15 schollys or not. Thanks

 

[tjreese]

I love how people think it's just a snap of the fingers to speculate that Waddell gives up his scholarship because his dad works at Lilly.

I haven't given up on him carving minutes next year. Definitely there are things for him to work on, but you start out 6'8" who handles the ball better than a normal 6'8", very cerebral in his understanding of the game as well as angles he has attacked in the past who has invested a lot of time and effort into playing at Purdue, but who needs to improve his shot mostly and D and so I see possibilities, but he has to continue to work. Kids can make a lot of improvement when the season is not going on? I take a wait and see on him, but just not sure any newcomer gets a lot of minutes not named Catchings.

 

[Boilerball3]

I love how people think it's just a snap of the fingers to speculate that Waddell gives up his scholarship because his dad works at Lilly.

It was a question not a statement

 

[Gman544]

Being a poor defender puts a lot more pressure on your rim protector.

If Colvin is missing defensive switches or going under on a screen or being beaten off the dribble - even one or two times a game - that can put Edey in a situation where he is picking up fouls. Which is our biggest weakness.

For Colvin, I look at Ivey. He didnt play minutes in Dec and Jan. Then slowly started playing minutes in February and was in the rotation by tournament. I hope for a similar path for Mr Colvin but that is on him to put in the work.

Ivey was the fastest guy in college basketball. It was obvious once he recovered that he was special. Colvin has shown a shooting touch and bad defense.

 

[Gman544]

Imo 70% of the time the only place Morton needs to be is on the bench all game. Of course there is that 30% where he can stay with his guys and that is marvelous at times. I try to recognize him for those, so far only twice this season.

Imo Heide first off bench for guards. Colvin 2. Only use Morton in rare, special circumstances where you got a slower guy scoring. Not often you find that in D1, but it happens.

Morton always plays the other teams best wing. Heide could take his playing time, Colvin on their best ? No.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

It was a question not a statement

But you're not the first to question it or state it and it's a bunch of crap. Would anyone say that if we didn't all know who his dad is? And does anyone really know what their family's financial situation is? I doubt it.

 

[Boilerball3]

But you're not the first to question it or state it and it's a bunch of crap. Would anyone say that if we didn't all know who his dad is? And does anyone really know what their family's financial situation is? I doubt it.

This isn't college basketball of the 90's

It is 100% business now. With the state of our program, if Painter doesn't see him as a player that can contribute towards a national championship, I could see Painter having that convo.

 

[DAMRONGA]

Agree with purduedavie, Colvin will get his time, as will Heide. They are freshmen on a top five team and waiting it out and learning and seeing what it takes to win is important for the long haul. I love Colvin, but going off on Painter for not playing him last night in the first half...come on. I'm sure Painter was trying to finish Michigan off early, so the last 10 mins could be given to get some minutes for Colvin and others...and that is exactly what he did (rather than giving 2 min stints where he gets no rythem). Look, this team has blown 20 point leads in a heart beat many times, usually to recover and still win...but not many coaches I know in this day and age will call off the dogs in the first half of a game. As for Morton, I know coach loves upper classman, but Morton does'nt bring much to the table. Yes, we may get an important rebound or steal here and there, but he also commits a few dumb fouls and misses a few wide open shots in the same minutes...he really is a wash at this point in his career and I would like to see Heide get more of those mins.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Agree with purduedavie, Colvin will get his time, as will Heide. They are freshmen on a top five team and waiting it out and learning and seeing what it takes to win is important for the long haul. I love Colvin, but going off on Painter for not playing him last night in the first half...come on. I'm sure Painter was trying to finish Michigan off early, so the last 10 mins could be given to get some minutes for Colvin and others...and that is exactly what he did (rather than giving 2 min stints where he gets no rythem). Look, this team has blown 20 point leads in a heart beat many times, usually to recover and still win...but not many coaches I know in this day and age will call off the dogs in the first half of a game. As for Morton, I know coach loves upper classman, but Morton does'nt bring much to the table. Yes, we may get an important rebound or steal here and there, but he also commits a few dumb fouls and misses a few wide open shots in the same minutes...he really is a wash at this point in his career and I would like to see Heide get more of those mins.

Morton's not in the game to score, he's there for his defense which is very good. Colvin....needs to learn that defense is very important.

 

[BoilerDeac]

Who plays point when Braden sits then? I am
not a big fan of Morton at all, but he has been the one running the 1 when smith goes out (which is minimal). Lance can, but I think that takes away from his slashing abilities and getting open looks. Myles is not at the level to run the team and that’s not his role. So, unfortunately that falls on Morton…

I hear you. This is a fair point.

 

[spoilerdave]

I think Catchings may start at the 4. I think it's possible that Harris takes Jones spot and Colvin and Heide back up those 2. Either that or decent mins at the 2, but Harris will play significant mins.

I don't care who starts, I'm just excited to have this many options.

Smith, Harris, Cox all fighting for minutes in that 1 spot

Colvin, Heide, Harris, Catchings, Loyer, Bentor, Waddell all fighting for minutes in that 2/3/4 spot.

TKR/Furst/Berg/Catchings/Jacobsen/Burgess all fighting for minutes in that 4/5 spot

I love competition! I'm thrilled we have this much talent! 18-2 to start the season TWO years in a row! I'm getting the feels that this could last a while, Painter has at least 10 years left, maybe 15 to build on this success. He should be top 3 most wins in Big Ten history.

I trust him, he isn't perfect but I'm sure as shit not better at making personnel decisions so I'll let him be coach and I'll play the role of armchair quarterback and cheerleader.

Peace Out

 

[spoilerdave]

Yeah, if Furst leaves (and someone else), then its a no-brainer to keep Gillis if he wants to stay..

Why would Furst leave when his brother just joined the team?

 

[Gman544]

Agree with purduedavie, Colvin will get his time, as will Heide. They are freshmen on a top five team and waiting it out and learning and seeing what it takes to win is important for the long haul. I love Colvin, but going off on Painter for not playing him last night in the first half...come on. I'm sure Painter was trying to finish Michigan off early, so the last 10 mins could be given to get some minutes for Colvin and others...and that is exactly what he did (rather than giving 2 min stints where he gets no rythem). Look, this team has blown 20 point leads in a heart beat many times, usually to recover and still win...but not many coaches I know in this day and age will call off the dogs in the first half of a game. As for Morton, I know coach loves upper classman, but Morton does'nt bring much to the table. Yes, we may get an important rebound or steal here and there, but he also commits a few dumb fouls and misses a few wide open shots in the same minutes...he really is a wash at this point in his career and I would like to see Heide get more of those mins.

Heide is getting more minutes as the season progresses. He averages 12.3, Morton 13.1. Early in the year Morton was getting 15-20, so his have gone down while Heide is playing more. If Heide gets better and better on defense and can feed the post ( not easy when the bees are swarming around Edey) he will take more minutes. Colvin is not playing good defense, does not really participate in the offense other than to look for his shot ( may be ok because that’s his role) and does not look to feed the post when he is playing when Zach Is in. I don’t know if Colvin ever plays at the same time as Zach on offense in practice to drill on feeding the post.

 

[DrEss]

Morton and Gillis will continue to be CMP’s first subs off the bench, barring early foul troubles. I doubt that changes at all. 18-2, I’m ok with his decisions. This team will go far in March. But until then, I’m enjoying the season one game at a time, on my recliner.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Morton always plays the other teams best wing. Heide could take his playing time, Colvin on their best ? No.

Painter likes his M. Not changing, so this is all hypothetical BS lol.....

But since we are just discussing alternatives, I think Colvin on his good days, can keep up scoring wise or even do better with most guys, during his minutes.....IF given a chance. He has not really been given a nice 10 min run yet.

Even if M has a good game (rare), he will likely never outscore guys he defends.

 

[PaBoiler78]

Someone on that list has to leave. Oversigned.

Furst?

 

[PaBoiler78]

Imo 70% of the time the only place Morton needs to be is on the bench all game. Of course there is that 30% where he can stay with his guys and that is marvelous at times. I try to recognize him for those, so far only twice this season.

Imo Heide first off bench for guards. Colvin 2. Only use Morton in rare, special circumstances where you got a slower guy scoring. Not often you find that in D1, but it happens.

ex. last night, Morton gets a steal, next time down court loses track of Howard in the corner for a 3 right in front of the Purdue bench

 

[New Pal Boiler]

But you're not the first to question it or state it and it's a bunch of crap. Would anyone say that if we didn't all know who his dad is? And does anyone really know what their family's financial situation is? I doubt it.

Do we know for sure that the 2 Matt’s didn’t have a chat about Brian’s scholarship possibly not being a 4 year guarantee, back when it was extended in the spring of 2021?

 

[Boiler Buck]

ex. last night, Morton gets a steal, next time down court loses track of Howard in the corner for a 3 right in front of the Purdue bench

It is a rare game where M can stay in front of his guy one on one. He gets beat several times while he is in there. CMP seems blind to it. He is good at team D and understanding of what CMP wants. Occasionally he has a guy he can defend. Those are the few moments he shines....and has this year on occasion.

 

[northside100]

A swing. and a miss.

Don’t know what that means. You think Matt will keep him of he wants to stay? Could be right, i just think he’s got a lot of young guys for whom he needs to get minutes.

 

[DAMRONGA]

Got to love it. We are ranked #2 in the country and 18 and 2. We win by 30 and all are talk is about who did'nt sub in earlier and play more? You gotta be kidding me. I will say this, if Colvin does'nt trust his coach anymore than previous posters do...about how to coach and start and sub players...then he will leave. Part of being a good player in a successful program like this is learning to trust the coaches and the system. If you don't, you want be a great player. I agree Colvin has great upside...would love to see it more. But this team is on a mission and the coaches and players need buy-in. Respectfully, it is'nt about Colvin...it's about winning a championship. I believe Painter will go with the players he feels will get him there. Do I understand all that goes into his decisions...No. But I do trust that he has his reasons. I will also say, when Colvin does get in, he looks to shoot first and D is lacking and sometimes makes a quick turnover...these are all things I am sure the coaches have been working on with him. Can we all just enjoy success and trust the process.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Got to love it. We are ranked #2 in the country and 18 and 2. We win by 30 and all are talk is about who did'nt sub in earlier and play more? You gotta be kidding me. I will say this, if Colvin does'nt trust his coach anymore than previous posters do...about how to coach and start and sub players...then he will leave. Part of being a good player in a successful program like this is learning to trust the coaches and the system. If you don't, you want be a great player. I agree Colvin has great upside...would love to see it more. But this team is on a mission and the coaches and players need buy-in. Respectfully, it is'nt about Colvin...it's about winning a championship. I believe Painter will go with the players he feels will get him there. Do I understand all that goes into his decisions...No. But I do trust that he has his reasons. I will also say, when Colvin does get in, he looks to shoot first and D is lacking and sometimes makes a quick turnover...these are all things I am sure the coaches have been working on with him. Can we all just enjoy success and trust the process.

Does any Purdue fan anywhere want to go to a Final Four or win a championship any more than Painter does ?

 

[jdbrees922]

Colvin isn’t playing any significant minutes this year so let’s go with it. But some keep talking about the freshman coming in and playing major minutes next year, how do you know their defense doesn’t suck ?

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

ex. last night, Morton gets a steal, next time down court loses track of Howard in the corner for a 3 right in front of the Purdue bench

He was perfect for defense vs Iowa. Other teams not so much. Better off ball defender than on ball.

 

[boilerzz]

Colvin isn’t playing any significant minutes this year so let’s go with it. But some keep talking about the freshman coming in and playing major minutes next year, how do you know their defense doesn’t suck ?

We don’t know. But I have contended and will continue to contend that Rosie did Myles a significant disservice by keeping him at a small school and having him play with and against weak competition.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Colvin isn’t playing any significant minutes this year so let’s go with it. But some keep talking about the freshman coming in and playing major minutes next year, how do you know their defense doesn’t suck ?

We don’t. But painter has talked about Harris being one of the few combo guards that he’s recruited that could be ready from day 1. Harris also is a diff position where he handles the ball more than Colvin so that’s why he may play a lot (prob not start) in that role of handling the ball and backing up Braden. Hopefully he can handle it, but probably will be some growing pains.

Catchings is one of the highest ranked recruits he’s had…but we have seen how not ready and still not that good Mgbako is for IU as a top ranked recruit at defense. So your point is valid. I wouldn’t be surprised if Catchings is off the bench either all year or half the year. Who knows how strong he will be by the season opener, too. He’s supposed to be really good and higher expectations than Colvin coming in. I think that’s why everyone is very high on him.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

We don’t know. But I have contended and will continue to contend that Rosie did Myles a significant disservice by keeping him at a small school and having him play with and against weak competition.

He played a lot of AAU ball didn’t he? That’s where the main competition is at nowadays and where kids get scouted.