Early, Morton never was consistently playing 15-20 minutes. First eight games which included Iowa, he only had three games of 15 or more minutes. His minutes per game have increased slightly since Iowa. Since the Iowa game, Heide’s minutes have decreased slightly. And he only played more minutes than Morton one game. Heide played more minutes early in season.
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He actually didn’t play as much as most and didn’t play on the bigger circuits all the time there either If I’m remembering right.
Someone has to go off scholarship and he's the person who plays the least AND appears to have the ability to afford college without a scholarship. so why is it crap to assume he might be a likely subject?
You really think Matt Painter is going to go to a kid he recruited, the son of a guy that he PLAYED with, and suggest to him that because his daddy makes a lot of money, he should drop down to a walk-on because he's not good enough?
That idea is ridiculous.
We know that Painter is a straight shooter with recruits and doesn’t offer unreasonable expectations. He’s said he tells them they will have the opportunity to EARN playing time based on performance and picking up team based offensive and defensive schemes. If you prove you are one of the top 3 (4) players they will (might) run some things for you. Otherwise you have to capitalize on what presents itself in the offense.
I’m sure it’s hard to adapt to D1 from high school and from being the best on the team/court to being a piece in the overall plan. Myles is very talented and athletic and the only true freshman trying to adapt this year. This appears to be progressing slower than the fan base anticipated or wants. Either that or he’s not fully bought into biding his time while learning in a role players role. In either case , he seems to be the tenth man on a team that has found a 9 man rotation but that has twelve players capable of/deserving of minutes on the court.
My take from the game yesterday in what he mouthed is he’s having a difficult time adjusting/accepting this and he might be frustrated and a little angry. Hopefully all settles down and he gets where he needs to be and he carves out a role for future years.
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I’m sure it’s hard to adapt to D1 from high school and from being the best on the team/court to being a piece in the overall plan. Myles is very talented and athletic and the only true freshman trying to adapt this year. This appears to be progressing slower than the fan base anticipated or wants. Either that or he’s not fully bought into biding his time while learning in a role players role. In either case , he seems to be the tenth man on a team that has found a 9 man rotation but that has twelve players capable of/deserving of minutes on the court.
My take from the game yesterday in what he mouthed is he’s having a difficult time adjusting/accepting this and he might be frustrated and a little angry. Hopefully all settles down and he gets where he needs to be and he carves out a role for future years.
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I wish I knew who had the ball when he thought it should have been passed to him? He has a lot to absorb for the only true freshman on the team…especially a team as good as Purdue. I posted months ago he would be a better player at Purdue than Jaden due to his stroke. Nothing has changed my perspective. His contributions have just been slower than I expected. I do see progress and there is about a third of the season to go
Not as ridiculous as Painter telling said recruit he has to leave because we're out of scholarships. Someone has to give it up. Maybe big dog pays for Harris?
That's even more ridiculous because they don't have a relationship. I think Painter knows something we don't know. And I'm fine with that.
I know, but Big dog does have a relationship with Purdue. Probably be some type of violation, but couldn't he pay because he wants to help Purdue and at the same time start a relationship with his son?
BS. You don't recruit a kid as a scholarship player and then tell him you are pulling his scholarship because you didn't manage your recruiting. And because some entitled fans feel they deserve a Final Four. Even in the 21st Century.
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Yes, I brought it up because I heard he would like to play, free school, NIL money, why not? My guess it won’t be at Purdue if this is true, he’ll have a big selection of schools to pick from if Purdue can’t fit him in, no way he plays as a Walk On, someone would have to leave, guessing it would be Furst.
Another would have to leave as well to accommodate Mason if he were to be in scholarship next year. We are already over 1 without Mason, Zach or mort coming back.
Again, someone has to go off scholarship. No one said Painter will force him, but SOMEONE on scholarship now won't be next year. So if that mere fact is unethical, then guess what...
Thanks. I have no idea if it was then or not. I watched the game earlier and didn’t really notice the lob there. I think I’ll try to find that time and look at it again
Matt is not going to pull a scholarship as you said. Obviously there are things known that we don’t relative to scholarships. There are two spots beyond scholarships that can be ready to play. Could those other spots get NIL ? We will know in just a few months what Matt knows today I suspect
He's going to have to tell SOMEONE they aren't good enough. If EVERYONE says I want to return, guess what, someone can't, and in that scenario, he's going to HAVE to take a scholarship from someone. That reality became real when he oversigned.
Now maybe someone voluntarily decides to take that bullet. You know, like someone who isn't playing much and can afford to go without a scholarship? Then again, you tell us what happens if no one wants to.
And what if he just assumed someone wouldn't be around? There's no reason to believe he knew when we oversigned that someone wanted to leave that would be on scholarship. He can anticipate that is possible, or he could know that someone is ok with losing their scholarship, like the guy who's family clearly can afford it. Or he could be forced to do something else. That's what happens when you oversign. The guy isn't a paragon of virtue who never ever does anything someone could think is wrong, good grief.
And that's where I said I think Painter has a plan. I highly doubt it's what you suggest because he's not that type of person. Didn't Painter say something like having "1 more" before signing Harris? I don't think he can't count to 13.
Guess what. Painter won't pull Brian Waddell's scholarship and expect his dad to pick up the tab.
Cool so who's scholarship will he pull then? And no one said he will pull anyone's scholarship. He can simply have the talk to someone or he could ASK if they are willing.
And who's to say that doesn't involve someone already willing to give up their slot? This melodrama that somehow such an arrangement is akin to murdering someone is ridiculous.
Harris - kid has a college ready body almost and we are going to need a secondary ball handler. We can’t have Smith playing 39 minutes a night.
As long as Gillis goes out of conference, I’m cool. For someone like him, I look at as an great opportunity to get a graduate degree for free.
Think he was mad at Jones for not passing him the ball.
I wasn't saying he would be leaving, I was responding to PurdueDavie saying "If Mason were to return that would mean Furst would likely be gone" and agreeing that would be a scenario where it would help Gillis return.. I don't think Furst leaves (but he may since if his play doesn't improve I'm not sure he's going to get all that much playing time for an upperclassman - I'm not sure his brother being there will be that much of a factor. His brother could stay or go as he so chooses also).
He was on USA bball team and played a lot in some other USA bball competitions. But yeah it was interesting that Myles stayed at heritage Christian and didn’t go to any of the surrounding north side schools. I do believe he would have played at them. Hope he gets some more mins tho !
Those flaws are apparent inside a team. The other side of that blade is that it allowed Myles individual offensive development which is what many see. It was certainly a different route than most players on a Purdue team have taken
Agreed and all depends if he buys in and keeps working at it. The tools are all there and he already has the sweet shooting stroke …let’s hope he is able to put it all together! Very excited to see how he will be next year …but also hope he can help contribute this year too.
I think it’s odd that he was playing in big games in Maui and vs bama (so better competition), but then doesn’t see much in B1G play.
That is the general consensus from reading what we have. Very possible, but some of that will be a function of any growth Fletcher has as well. If Fletcher improves his ball handling a bit, and he does pretty well now, then most likely as viewed today Cam is at the 3 and Fletcher is at the two. However, not really knowing much other than what we read Harris would seem to be the guy as you state. Then you have Cox getting offered quickly like Braden did and you wonder if his particulars are needed more?
So someone is getting minutes to help rest Braden as you say. I should have said "start" rather than major minutes and even then "start" doesn't always end in major minutes. Bottom line, Braden and Fletcher both need some rest, but Braden resting is the bigger question. I do think if Fletcher improves a bit handling the ball (still may not have the quickness) he might handle the ball more as a 2, but he isn't going to sub for Braden.
That was what a tweet said. I intend to catch that segment and see if I agree 1) that is when it happened 2) Myles was available for a lob. I do seem to recall that time and think Myles put his arm up to signal a lob. If true, it is quite possible that Lance for a variety of reasons never saw that, didn't feel comfortable doing it rather than NOT wanting Myles to get it. You shouldn't get mad if you are missed, by accident if that happened. Perhaps Lance thinks he is also open a lot in practice when Lance has the ball and that was just a continuation leading to his overt frustration?
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There are a lot of particulars that coaches could point out and no doubt have pointed out. However, I think it is as simple as Myles has not had to play inside a team setting before...particularly not one as precise and good as Purdue's. Myles has been the team before. That helped Myles in some areas and hurt him in others. Myles D on the ball has improved a lot. However, not that others haven't, but if you watch Myles with 9+ minutes left his first time in the game he is under the basket perhaps watching the ball too long and loses his man out on the baseline. It didn't cost Purdue and he then went to show progress with his on ball defense.
Inside a team's offense there still appears work to be done. The quickness of play and facilitation of the ball is quite different between Fletch and Myles. All that said, I'm bullish on Myles due to his stroke combined with his athletic ability. I think he will be very good, but that isn't today. Still, Matt can still use him for his stroke, which he has...and like many I hope Purdue is in a position that he can get minutes down the road...but winning NOW is what is needed as would be agreed by the players and coaches, and there is no evidence other than hypotheticals which may or may not be correct, that Myles getting more minutes is key to a NCAA run for Purdue
Agree in general but Loyer and Cam aren’t running the point when Smith needs a breather. As it stands now, those minutes will be split between Cox and Harris. Guess that will work itself out during the off-season with whoever leaves and how they fit into the system. Both Harris and Cox are known for their defensive abilities so think it will be a dog fight.
See tweet below from Nick Baumgart, who covers Indiana high school basketball, talked about what Purdue might look like next year. Going to be more run and gun. Lot of uptempo and opportunities for shooters. Wonder if we run sets where we have Smith work off ball as well to get him upon looks as well as pin downs from midrange. Similar to what Northwestern runs for Boo.
If players can leave any time they want, why should coaches be obligated to keep players on scholarship for 4 years?
That is all true, but we are talking about 5 minutes a game when Braden is out I'm guessing
Purdue will be more uptempo and Braden will be better. His stats may or may not improve, but the tempo will be more to his liking. I knew this last year that when Zach leaves what would happen. I also pointed out that as a freshman Braden had to absorb the defensive pressure while Zach was on the blocks and how that made it harder for Braden to find his stroke...as well as not having an outlet against the pressure. Zach losing weight and moving better has allowed Braden to do more of what he does, as having Lance and just another year for Braden and Fletcher was huge. I actually talked about tempo and such a year ago with Dustin and how I knew it was putting reins on Braden, but Purdue need him to do what he did.
That five or so minute break may be split between halves as well leaving not as many possessions per half when he is out...and quite possibly Purdue uses more clock when he is out...cutting down the possessions. Those five minutes (if that is the number) may find nobody really replaces Braden, but rather Purdue goes back to more of a traditional combo guard role where nobody is as ball dominant as Braden is today. I doubt there is a risk of a 4man on D causing problems for Catchings on the perimeter. He too can handle the ball much better than Purdue's typical 4 in the past...much better I believe. Anyway, I see a lot of pieces of potential fits, but not sure how things go other than this is even more so Braden's team next year. Now, I'll read the article in what I suspect will find agreement.
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no article...just those few words. This is why I said Braden's stats "may" go down, but he will be better. We don't know the true effect of Zach on Braden, or the cast next year as well.
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Although the scholly is for a given year, coaches in the past have stated 4 years. If we believe that Purdue is a development program which is a different approach than portal, NIL and so forth then that is impossible to do if Matt is viewed as not keeping his word and it will be used against him in recruiting. Matt appears to be trying to move more to the traditional desire of two years between player positions and such for continuity.
A program that is based upon portal and NIL a lot wouldn't have the same concerns for a 4 year scholly I don't believe.
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