I believe purdue had a great NIL program already in place. the NIl money doesn't come from the school. it comes from donors. they just couldn't find donors willing to just give away $500,000 - $1 million a year to keep 18 year old athletes happy. has anybody here donated $1 million, lately?
How confident is Painter that Pack will come to Purdue?
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Oh, I'm sure - but that was neither arranged nor supported by the athletic department.Well, while I agree with most of what you are saying I will stipulate that this isn't entirely true. I wrote a couple of papers for a friend on the football team in early 90's.
Pack is a really good college player and unlike at Purdue where ticket sales are a given, winning and losing makes a big difference in ticket sales at Miami.
If his impact on that team brings in 2,000 more fans a game times 20 home games at $40 a ticket?
He’s a player that’s worth $1.6 million annually.
Would there be any difference in how NIL is ran between public and private schools since private schools don’t have to disclose budgets? Like Purdue and Miami for example.
Here Purdue is ranked #4
100% of Purdue engineering graduates can have a full career with engineering, and very successful, if they choose.. I still think it is single digits for basketball players. Maybe 50% can earn a living for a few years from basketball but after that it is scrounging for a job.
NIL is not run through the University. It’s a direct to athlete contract. Most Universities ahead of the game set up a portal. It lists all thier student athletes with hyperlink to contact them directly. So the universities don’t have anything to disclose.
Those rankings are for graduate programs, not undergraduate programs - less relevant to the NIL and transfer portal programs. Even with that caveat GA Tech is a top 10 graduate program (ranked 7th) and the poster was incorrect.
There is a lot of misunderstanding on this board about NIL. PU isn't prepared or willing to get into it at a high level so there are many on here that haven't done the research to understand how it works. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of it at all. But it is legal now and schools that don't participate will be left behind. Pack is just the first of many...
What is actually going on is against the rules. The NIL isn’t intended to be a recruiting tool. Purdue was actually playing it by the rules but we saw how easy it is to get around.
But its so irrelevant when you are having a discussion of college basketball players.
The chances of you being a great basketball player and academically strong enough to get a Masters Degree from Purdue in Engineering while playing college basketball are about slim and none.
We all have different gifts. Someone who wants an engineering degree from Purdue has to be academically talented and dedicated to his/her studies. It can't be just something you do while playing college basketball. I would argue most of the players wouldn't have the SAT scores or academic record to get into an engineering program at Purdue or any other top tier program anyway.
The basketball equivalent to your scenario would be if the Pacers paid players to come play at Purdue so that they would have a better chance to sign those players after they graduate. As we know, that's not how it works in bball.
If an NIL package was proposed to Pack before he enrolled or even committed to a school, that’s against the rules. It’s not to be used as a recruiting inducement. I think most people understand that’s not how it will work, and that enforcement of this will be nearly impossible.
What will be interesting is whether NIL donors can or will choose to revoke their financial commitments when players either transgress in the community or on the court / field. When the point guard evades the cops while doing 90, the team heads out for a late night bake off while on a road trip, or the tight end roughs up his girlfriend, we know that Indinia doesn’t reprimand them. What we don’t know is whether the NIL parties will have contractual clauses related to off-field / court behavior, and how that might work. Will the spigot get turned off, even when the university does nothing about the behavior? Doubt the behavioral stuff elicits any react but pure performance issues do get benefactor’s attention.
You bring up a really interesting point that I had not thought about until now. I’m curious about the reverse effect of what you described in your second paragraph. With these NIL contracts coming from boosters, I wonder how much say they will want in regard to roster management. Let’s say I’m paying a player 500k and he gets in trouble with the law. Normally, you might expect the coach to suspend a player or kick him off the team, but I’m not going to want my “investment” missing games. Since the people making these NIL deals are probably donating a ton to the team, I wonder if they will be able to influence disciplinary (and other) decisions.
Technically it’s not Miami. It was between Pack and the sponsor. Still against the rules. They won’t enforce it though.
It could work both ways. A person / company might see a negative association that’s created and want to limit or sever ties. When the IU tight beat up his girlfriend, an NIL sponsor might pull their deal, even while the coach and Universiy didn’t require him to miss any game time. If Xavier Johnson had a car deal, they might not be thrilled with how he’s using it and choose to revoke the arrangement. On the other hand, a disciplinary response from the University might be met with ”Do you know how much we‘re paying that kid? He needs to be back on the field, now!”
I think the bigger issue will simply be performance related. If a kid isn’t playing well or, more likely, an NIL sponsor believes another kid should be playing more, that’s where this could get tricky. And coaches need to watch their backs. NIL sponsors are paying for play / performance. Any perceived hinderance toward the achievement of that will elicit a not-so-nice response from some people who are paying the bills. They’ll definitely want a say in who gets recruited, who plays, how a player is used . . .
You think we could get Elon and SpaceX to drum up some big donations for NIL. We could leverage our Aeronautical and Astronautical Engineering program.
NASA wouldn’t work but this would. Also reach out to Orville Redenbacher for a donation 🍿.
How about the guy who set the record for most expensive NFT ever sold. He is a Purdue guy.
Good points. What people forget is those are headline numbers similar to any sports contract. Is that 800k guaranteed? Are there performance bonus for being all conference, All American, NCAA tourney wins etc?
Just give the coach an offer he can't refuse.....
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My understanding, Beef, is that most of the State NIL statutes don't allow compensation for athletic performance - it's use of name, image, and likeness....now, there might be appearance and time commitments and other performance measures but not for the athletic competitions from my preliminary understanding.
Take that with a grain of salt as I am not as well-versed in the weeds as some others.
I get how NIL works. What I'm asking is what rule was broken? You said they weren't playing by the rules. What rule did they break. I'm not being a smartass, I'm sincerely asking what did they do against the rules? Someone else said that "if" they negotiated this before he signed with Miami it would be breaking the rules. Do we have any evidence that is what happened? I get it, we're all very disappointed he isn't coming here. But simply saying Miami didn't follow the rules and we did doesn't make it so.
This is just the start of a wild ride. At $800k, Pack will be the second highest paid person in the program, behind only the head coach. He’ll be paid more than any of the assistants, which makes one wonder how much he’ll listen to them rather than any of the advisors around him. Whether that is guaranteed or incentive laden, the balance of power on teams will definitely be changed.
The NCAA and the member schools still pull in hundreds of millions of dollars annually, and players don’t get any of it. NIL allows them to make money on their own, but they’re still going to want a share of the much bigger pie that’s there. Another poster incorrectly estimated Pack’s value to UM as a function of ticket sales as they relate to NIL payments. UM gets all the benefit of increased revenues in that scenario for none of the expense, which means the bigger issue of revenue sharing remains unaddressed. It’s what dictates every labor disagreement in pro sports and it will be the single biggest issue soon in the college game, too. No chance that much larger fight ends because of NIL. Delayed, perhaps, but it’s not resolved because NIL is here.
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It was known 2 days in advance that pack was offered “deals”. 250k by Ohio state. 400k by Miami and nothing by Purdue. You can’t use money to recruit. The recruit can’t ask for money. It’s the same as an alum giving out bags of money to play. It’s an impermissible inducement. It’s hard to prove but it’s clearly he went with the most money. Only way to know about the amounts is if he/they negotiate before signing. That’s a rules violation. They clearly negotiated before.
NIL has nothing to do with the schools, it a contract between a private person/entity and the athlete.
Damn, now I REALLY want a juice box.
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