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[Kesselschmiede]

I appreciate your posts. You hold them accountable for their BS.

Also ever notice how they are "realists" with "facts" until they are wrong about something and then those "facts" become just innocent "opinions" that they are entitled to?

Thanks TC. You do exceptionally well at putting people in their place as well.

Yeah and then those people with those "opinions" get mad when you call them on it like you said like we're supposed to just take what they say at face value and don't question it. If they are entitled to their opinion, then others are entitled to shove it back in their face and show them how wrong they are. If they get that whiney over it, then they probably shouldn't post here or anywhere on the internet to begin with.

What I also find funny is every time they are shown to be wrong, they simply change the parameters. I fully expect to see a thread one day that reads: "Fire Painter! He can't beat a quality team while wearing a pink tie, on a friday, while coaching the game blind-folded!". That is about all they have left to go with now.

 

[Kesselschmiede]

but has done little to nothing in the grand scheme of things when it truly matters..the post season..

Except that he has. He hasn't reached a Final Four yet, but the negatwitts have already given up when there is insurmountable evidence to show that we are headed in the right direction and that is really my point in calling the negatwitts out. They don't truly support the team simply because they don't like the coach and no matter how much they try to spin it, that is a fact. The players love Painter, the majority of the fans do as well, he is highly respected and is bringing in the players we need to be successful going forward.

What cracks me up even further is when they list their potential coaching replacements, those replacements are no better and in some cases have done much worse than what Painter is doing. That tells me that their only true reason for wanting a new coach is that they simply don't like Painter for whatever reason and that they truly don't support the team and love it when we lose as they think is only somehow further pushes their agenda.

If people don't want to read my posts, I don't really care. Simply because I know those that say they put me on ignore still do and that is evident when they reference comments I made to another poster yet not quoting me directly. Regardless, I am not going to stop calling them out until THEY stop being such giant assholes. I tried being nice when I first got here, but those negatwitts were running rampant here and I am simply sick of them thinking they know everything and telling us all here that they do simply because their ideas work on an Xbox.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Except that he has. He hasn't reached a Final Four yet, but the negatwitts have already given up when there is insurmountable evidence to show that we are headed in the right direction and that is really my point in calling the negatwitts out. They don't truly support the team simply because they don't like the coach and no matter how much they try to spin it, that is a fact. The players love Painter, the majority of the fans do as well, he is highly respected and is bringing in the players we need to be successful going forward.

What cracks me up even further is when they list their potential coaching replacements, those replacements are no better and in some cases have done much worse than what Painter is doing. That tells me that their only true reason for wanting a new coach is that they simply don't like Painter for whatever reason and that they truly don't support the team and love it when we lose as they think is only somehow further pushes their agenda.

If people don't want to read my posts, I don't really care. Simply because I know those that say they put me on ignore still do and that is evident when they reference comments I made to another poster yet not quoting me directly. Regardless, I am not going to stop calling them out until THEY stop being such giant assholes. I tried being nice when I first got here, but those negatwitts were running rampant here and I am simply sick of them thinking they know everything and telling us all here that they do simply because their ideas work on an Xbox.

Honestly, I haven't seen a poster here talk about any sort of replacements for Painter in probably 3 years. I follow this board quite frequently and haven't seen a poster do such. I think most people here realize that Painter has his limitations, much like any other coach, but his ceiling at Purdue is probably higher than any other coach that could be brought in (outside of 3-5 coaches that are at the true blue blood programs of UK, Duke, UCLA, etc).

I would honestly like you to think about CMP's total post season record while at Purdue (his overall record is damn good at 254 - 138). Currently, CMP is an even 8-8 in the NCAA Tourney while also missing 3 tourneys in 11 attempts at Purdue (73%). His performances in the Big Ten Tourney land him at an even 9-9 as well. His conference overall record is 113-81 (.582). If you are strictly looking at CMP analytically, there are obviously some things left to be desired and his record in the post season alone leaves fans wondering if he is the coach that can consistently win in the B1G and the NCAA tournaments. That doesn't make fans 'negatwitts' as you call them, rather it makes them more analytical than you. There is nothing wrong with that at all. If you try to argue with the other side every time Purdue wins a game as you so often do...why are you then surprised when Purdue loses a game (which they ALWAYS do) those same posters come back to throw it in your face?

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I disagree. The people that are on here tearing down the team and the coach are the people that are creating the divisive atmosphere. That said, I'm not some weak-minded millennial who needs a safe space when someone posts something I don't like. If you want to keep posting it, I don't mind responding as needed.

I think those people you are referencing are almost always 'ghost posters' who just come here to stir the pot.

 

[gcb12]

Umm no, I call out the negatwitts for constantly spewing their garbage on here. Has nothing to do with emotion but rather more about them being morons and not having a clue as to what they are talking about.

And why on earth would I be embarrassed for making an I told you so post? This post simply means the team is playing like those of us with a brain knew it would. I'm far from embarrassed because I have no reason to be and pretty much am laughing at you for thinking that. Literally.

But don't worry, like TC said, when we lose you will have your chance to come back around spewing your nonsense once again. However this all of your comments have zero legitimacy or credibility because no matter how far you move the goalposts, just about every point has been proven false now.

The win over ND was much more than just a quality win, the entire game was a huge smack across the face to all you negatwitts. So yeah, I truly am enjoying the win and this thread is just icing on the cake.

Well I'm glad you've taken it upon yourself to play board moderator and ruler of who is and isn't a moron.

I'm not in the fire Painter camp as I think he is an average coach, but I'm sure we could do much worse. I'm guessing that qualifies me as a "brainless negatwitt", but I am curious as to what your assessment of CMP is taking his entire career into consideration. I see many fickle posters (defenders and haters) who can't step back and see the big picture but it sounds like you are a staunch defender so I'd like to know what benchmark you have set that qualifies him as a good/great coach.

 

[mathboy]

Honestly, I haven't seen a poster here talk about any sort of replacements for Painter in probably 3 years. I follow this board quite frequently and haven't seen a poster do such. I think most people here realize that Painter has his limitations, much like any other coach, but his ceiling at Purdue is probably higher than any other coach that could be brought in (outside of 3-5 coaches that are at the true blue blood programs of UK, Duke, UCLA, etc).

I would honestly like you to think about CMP's total post season record while at Purdue (his overall record is damn good at 254 - 138). Currently, CMP is an even 8-8 in the NCAA Tourney while also missing 3 tourneys in 11 attempts at Purdue (73%). His performances in the Big Ten Tourney land him at an even 9-9 as well. His conference overall record is 113-81 (.582). If you are strictly looking at CMP analytically, there are obviously some things left to be desired and his record in the post season alone leaves fans wondering if he is the coach that can consistently win in the B1G and the NCAA tournaments. That doesn't make fans 'negatwitts' as you call them, rather it makes them more analytical than you. There is nothing wrong with that at all. If you try to argue with the other side every time Purdue wins a game as you so often do...why are you then surprised when Purdue loses a game (which they ALWAYS do) those same posters come back to throw it in your face?

Really? At the beginning of the season there were several long threads about Painter. Some defended his work, others wanted him replaced. Many names were thrown out. This has me wondering, Johnny Doe, how long have you really followed this board? I know you are trying to be positive here, but you are missing the legitimate gripe K-mede has with his "Negatwitts.

 

[M51]

What a win this weekend for the Boilers and I was even there! The icing on the cake was coming here and seeing all the negatwitts that gave up before the half and were on here posting their usual garbage only to have it shoved back in their face! Just added to the win.

So let's see, let's list just a few of the things they have said that have been proven false like they all knew they were:

"Painter can't recruit a 5 star" - proven false
"Painter can't recruit athletic good point guards" -- proven false
"Painter can't recruit athletic players" -- Proven false
"Painter can't win big games on a neutral court" -- proven false
"Painter can't win big games against ranked opponents on a neutral court" -- proven false
"Painter doesn't get on the officials" -- proven false
"Painter can't make adjustments" -- proven false
"Painter is an average coach" -- proven false

The list from the negatwitts goes on and on and on and on and on and 99% of their usual rhetoric is wrong and the only remaining one is getting to a FF and things are well on the way to proving that wrong as well. Now I know most will want me to take the high road and not make this post but, after all the crap the negatwitts post, this heaping dose of reality is warranted just to further show how little they know and they get all of their basketball "knowledge" from playing video games.

All you negatwitts have zero credibility now. It was not really in doubt before, but after this weekend it is more certain than ever. You all gave up on the team and started making stupid predictable posts and every last one of you has egg on your face now and on behalf of the team and staff, you all can suck it.

Since you posted after the ND win,

"Painter can't win big games on a neutral court". What are the big games. Games is plural.

"Painter can't win big games against ranked opponents on a neutral court". Who are the ranked opponents? Again plural.

Answer those without using negawitts or other negative reply. You have zero credibility until you back up your post.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Really? At the beginning of the season there were several long threads about Painter. Some defended his work, others wanted him replaced. Many names were thrown out. This has me wondering, Johnny Doe, how long have you really followed this board? I know you are trying to be positive here, but you are missing the legitimate gripe K-mede has with his "Negatwitts.

I honestly must have missed them or just brushed them off as ridiculous fly-by ranters and didn't take them seriously.

 

[TC4THREE]

Since you posted after the ND win,

"Painter can't win big games on a neutral court". What are the big games. Games is plural.

"Painter can't win big games against ranked opponents on a neutral court". Who are the ranked opponents? Again plural.

Answer those without using negawitts or other negative reply. You have zero credibility until you back up your post.

Are you saying he's never beaten another ranked team on a neutral court because Tennessee was a top 10 team when we beat them in the 2009 Paradise Jam.

 

[mathboy]

Well I'm glad you've taken it upon yourself to play board moderator and ruler of who is and isn't a moron.

I'm not in the fire Painter camp as I think he is an average coach, but I'm sure we could do much worse. I'm guessing that qualifies me as a "brainless negatwitt", but I am curious as to what your assessment of CMP is taking his entire career into consideration. I see many fickle posters (defenders and haters) who can't step back and see the big picture but it sounds like you are a staunch defender so I'd like to know what benchmark you have set that qualifies him as a good/great coach.

Let me try to address the "big picture", as you call it.

Other than the 4-5 real blue bloods (UNC, UK, Kansas, and Duke), reaching the FF is a bit of a crap shoot. Jay Wright never made it past the Sweet Sixteen before winning it all last year. How many years has he been at Nova? Many times it is the sting of losing one year that propels the now older kids into a stronger tournament performance the next. It also takes a combination of the right kids (not all 5*) who can stay healthy, plus the right NCAA draw, and a lot of luck. Luck being the biggest factor here.

Painter has enough coaching skill to manage the game well enough to make the FF. He has repeatedly played national championship teams to the wire. See the Florida NCAAT games. See Villanova this year. I can also site the respect he gets from his peers and his accolades coaching international teams. His current string of top-10/top-15 rankings also indicates he is a good coach.

Still in question is Painter's ability to recruit the right kids. With better administrative backing, his recruiting is miles ahead of where it was 5 years ago. He continues to improve his techniques and approach, and continues to improve his selection of kids. I hold a wait and see attitude on this because the current team appears to have enough talent and drive to get there. What they need is the right "luck" in getting opponents that match up poorly against our talent.

Bottom line/big picture: Painter is far above an average coach, but needs the FF credentials to convince people who don't watch or know the game.

 

[mathboy]

Since you posted after the ND win,

"Painter can't win big games on a neutral court". What are the big games. Games is plural.

"Painter can't win big games against ranked opponents on a neutral court". Who are the ranked opponents? Again plural.

Answer those without using negawitts or other negative reply. You have zero credibility until you back up your post.

How long have you been watching Purdue basketball? Maybe you missed the games where Painter's teams tore up a highly ranked Arizona team, or the highly ranked Tennessee team? How about wins against some of our highly ranked BIG bretheren? Did you miss those? Those were good games! Wow! You must have missed the now famous Kremer swim move on the floor.

You do realize that Kesselschmiede is correct. He has every bit the right to take some of these fly-through negative posters to task for their ridiculous statements. You don't need to jump in and try to coach us all to be more politically correct. I say leave his posts raw, mean and challenging, and let the reader sort it out.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Let me try to address the "big picture", as you call it.

Other than the 4-5 real blue bloods (UNC, UK, Kansas, and Duke), reaching the FF is a bit of a crap shoot. Jay Wright never made it past the Sweet Sixteen before winning it all last year. How many years has he been at Nova? Many times it is the sting of losing one year that propels the now older kids into a stronger tournament performance the next. It also takes a combination of the right kids (not all 5*) who can stay healthy, plus the right NCAA draw, and a lot of luck. Luck being the biggest factor here.

Painter has enough coaching skill to manage the game well enough to make the FF. He has repeatedly played national championship teams to the wire. See the Florida NCAAT games. See Villanova this year. I can also site the respect he gets from his peers and his accolades coaching international teams. His current string of top-10/top-15 rankings also indicates he is a good coach.

Still in question is Painter's ability to recruit the right kids. With better administrative backing, his recruiting is miles ahead of where it was 5 years ago. He continues to improve his techniques and approach, and continues to improve his selection of kids. I hold a wait and see attitude on this because the current team appears to have enough talent and drive to get there. What they need is the right "luck" in getting opponents that match up poorly against our talent.

Bottom line/big picture: Painter is far above an average coach, but needs the FF credentials to convince people who don't watch or know the game.

I think that has been the biggest improvement for CMP the last three years. When his plan A players fall short, he isn't settling on guys like Donnie Hale and Patrick Bade. He has been able to identify and maintain a strong relationship with what may actually be the second or third choice players.

 

[Kesselschmiede]

Since you posted after the ND win,

"Painter can't win big games on a neutral court". What are the big games. Games is plural.

"Painter can't win big games against ranked opponents on a neutral court". Who are the ranked opponents? Again plural.

Answer those without using negawitts or other negative reply. You have zero credibility until you back up your post.

Others beat me to it and thanks to those guys, but there you go negatwitt. Backed up and even more egg on your face. I know you want us to lose so you can trounce around on here like and make baseless threads that have been oh so common by the loud few, but every ounce of your credibility is gone and mine is just fine.

 

[IndySouthsider]

Thwrec

Others beat me to it and thanks to those guys, but there you go negatwitt. Backed up and even more egg on your face. I know you want us to lose so you can trounce around on here like and make baseless threads that have been oh so common by the loud few, but every ounce of your credibility is gone and mine is just fine.

Actually I think Matt Painter is an average coach. Purdue could and likely would do worse if they were to just release him. Also, I've always thought judging coaching based on the final four was for losers. The only sport where we cherish 2nd to 3rd place. Colts got made fun of for putting a second-place banner in their arena in college basketball we hale it is a marvelous feet

With that said you're shtick is lame and stupid even though we agree on Matt Painter.

 

[gcb12]

Let me try to address the "big picture", as you call it.

Other than the 4-5 real blue bloods (UNC, UK, Kansas, and Duke), reaching the FF is a bit of a crap shoot. Jay Wright never made it past the Sweet Sixteen before winning it all last year. How many years has he been at Nova? Many times it is the sting of losing one year that propels the now older kids into a stronger tournament performance the next. It also takes a combination of the right kids (not all 5*) who can stay healthy, plus the right NCAA draw, and a lot of luck. Luck being the biggest factor here.

Painter has enough coaching skill to manage the game well enough to make the FF. He has repeatedly played national championship teams to the wire. See the Florida NCAAT games. See Villanova this year. I can also site the respect he gets from his peers and his accolades coaching international teams. His current string of top-10/top-15 rankings also indicates he is a good coach.

Still in question is Painter's ability to recruit the right kids. With better administrative backing, his recruiting is miles ahead of where it was 5 years ago. He continues to improve his techniques and approach, and continues to improve his selection of kids. I hold a wait and see attitude on this because the current team appears to have enough talent and drive to get there. What they need is the right "luck" in getting opponents that match up poorly against our talent.

Bottom line/big picture: Painter is far above an average coach, but needs the FF credentials to convince people who don't watch or know the game.

Great, so you answered my question:

A good coach is someone who hasn't reached the final four (as that is reserved for blue bloods and those who are lucky - ie Jay Wright), who most of the times lose to elite teams, and has respect from their peers. I guess we have different definitions of "good", but thanks for taking the time to answer my question.

 

[TC4THREE]

Great, so you answered my question:

A good coach is someone who hasn't reached the final four (as that is reserved for blue bloods and those who are lucky - ie Jay Wright), who most of the times lose to elite teams, and has respect from their peers. I guess we have different definitions of "good", but thanks for taking the time to answer my question.

Was Gene Keady a good coach?

 

[M51]

Others beat me to it and thanks to those guys, but there you go negatwitt. Backed up and even more egg on your face. I know you want us to lose so you can trounce around on here like and make baseless threads that have been oh so common by the loud few, but every ounce of your credibility is gone and mine is just fine.

No egg on my face, Kissmeapileofcrap.

Appears you are completely incapable of walking the walk.

 

[TC4THREE]

No egg on my face, Kissmeapileofcrap.

Appears you are completely incapable of walking the walk.

It appears he handled you quite easily.

 

[Kesselschmiede]

No egg on my face, Kissmeapileofcrap.

Appears you are completely incapable of walking the walk.

EL - OH - EL.... I walked the walk all over you then stomped a mud-hole in you to be sure.

 

[Kesselschmiede]

With that said you're shtick is lame and stupid even though we agree on Matt Painter.

Then all I can say is don't read it. Because as long as the negative garbage posts exist, I'm going to keep calling them out for it.

 

[IndySouthsider]

Then all I can say is don't read it. Because as long as the negative garbage posts exist, I'm going to keep calling them out for it.

You got it Corky!

 

[Kesselschmiede]

You got it Corky!

Weak.

 

[Chuck kendall]

Could you cut it out with the 'I told you so' posts? The board is meant as a place for discussion of dissenting opinions and not simply to have a jack-off fest with each other about how good or bad Purdue is...leave that for Peegs.

silly post

 

[M51]

Are you saying he's never beaten another ranked team on a neutral court because Tennessee was a top 10 team when we beat them in the 2009 Paradise Jam.

Don't misquote me or take a post out of context. I asked the originating poster a couple simple questions and it apppears that the poster is incapable of formulating a response with data to back up the post.

 

[TC4THREE]

Don't misquote me or take a post out of context. I asked the originating poster a couple simple questions and it apppears that the poster is incapable of formulating a response with data to back up the post.

Because he didn't answer you in the 4 minutes before I did?

 

[M51]

How long have you been watching Purdue basketball? Maybe you missed the games where Painter's teams tore up a highly ranked Arizona team, or the highly ranked Tennessee team? How about wins against some of our highly ranked BIG bretheren? Did you miss those? Those were good games! Wow! You must have missed the now famous Kremer swim move on the floor.

You do realize that Kesselschmiede is correct. He has every bit the right to take some of these fly-through negative posters to task for their ridiculous statements. You don't need to jump in and try to coach us all to be more politically correct. I say leave his posts raw, mean and challenging, and let the reader sort it out.

Read the originating post. Ranked teams on a neutral court. List the ranked Big 10 teams that a Painter coached team has beaten on a nuetral court.

Probably been watching Purdue basketball a lot longer than you.

What is so f-ing great about constantly calling every poster a negawitt?

 

[mathboy]

Read the originating post. Ranked teams on a neutral court. List the ranked Big 10 teams that a Painter coached team has beaten on a nuetral court.

Probably been watching Purdue basketball a lot longer than you.

What is so f-ing great about constantly calling every poster a negawitt?

If I recall correctly, we beat Arizona on their court, or somewhere close to their home location. Seems like we beat Whisky and MSU during Painter's career when they were ranked on their courts, and perhaps also at the BIG tournament (neutral court) if you want to stick to the specific language of the OP.

 

[BoilerAndy]

Honestly, I haven't seen a poster here talk about any sort of replacements for Painter in probably 3 years. I follow this board quite frequently and haven't seen a poster do such. I think most people here realize that Painter has his limitations, much like any other coach, but his ceiling at Purdue is probably higher than any other coach that could be brought in (outside of 3-5 coaches that are at the true blue blood programs of UK, Duke, UCLA, etc).

If you haven't seen it, then you flat out have not looked in 3 years. There have been multiple threads with extensive discussions that included people generating lists of coaches who they thought could be better than Painter.

 

[Dryfly88]

If you haven't seen it, then you flat out have not looked in 3 years. There have been multiple threads with extensive discussions that included people generating lists of coaches who they thought could be better than Painter.

You are correct, there have been many threads listing potential replacements. I have challenged many people to do just that when they say CMP should be replaced. My first question is always who do you want him replaced with? Some will give specific names others will not, but there have been many discussions with lists of names.

 

[M51]

If I recall correctly, we beat Arizona on their court, or somewhere close to their home location. Seems like we beat Whisky and MSU during Painter's career when they were ranked on their courts, and perhaps also at the BIG tournament (neutral court) if you want to stick to the specific language of the OP.

We have never beat MSU or Wisconsin in the Big 10 tournament.

 

[mathboy]

If I recall correctly, we beat Arizona on their court, or somewhere close to their home location.

We have never beat MSU or Wisconsin in the Big 10 tournament.

yep, I was not sure about that, as noted in my post.

 

[BoiledSteel]

Keep up the good work Kessel! The responses and backpedaling in this thread by the haters truly shows you are on point! Not one of them has any credibility left.

 

[boilerzz]

Since you posted after the ND win,

"Painter can't win big games on a neutral court". What are the big games. Games is plural.

"Painter can't win big games against ranked opponents on a neutral court". Who are the ranked opponents? Again plural.

Answer those without using negawitts or other negative reply. You have zero credibility until you back up your post.

Painter has 6 wins against ranked opponents on neutral courts.
#22 Louisville in 2007
#22 Davidson in 2008
#15 Washington in 2009
#9 Tennessee in 2009
#23 Texas A&M in 2010
#24 St. Mary's in 2012
#21 Notre Dame in 2016

When Purdue is ranked, Painter is 5-6 against ranked opponents on a neutral court.
When Purdue is unranked, Painter is 2-12 against ranked opponents on a neutral court.

 

[IndySouthsider]

Painter has 6 wins against ranked opponents on neutral courts.
#22 Louisville in 2007
#22 Davidson in 2008
#15 Washington in 2009
#9 Tennessee in 2009
#23 Texas A&M in 2010
#24 St. Mary's in 2012

When Purdue is ranked, Painter is 4-6 against ranked opponents on a neutral court.
When Purdue is unranked, Painter is 2-12 against ranked opponents on a neutral court.

Yikes! This doesn't help the pro Painter crowd!

 

[TC4THREE]

Yikes! This doesn't help the pro Painter crowd!

And there you have it. We have "fans" identifying themselves as anti Painter.

 

[boilerzz]

Yikes! This doesn't help the pro Painter crowd!

You are right. It doesn't prove he's a great coach. But it also doesn't prove he's a terrible, or even average, coach either.

I see a lot more people calling him average than I see calling him great.

 

[IndySouthsider]

And there you have it. We have "fans" identifying themselves as anti Painter.

Yes. This is news to you?

I am on record as saying be careful what you wish for. It can and probably would get worse. So I guess I am Pro Painter.

But I also believe Matt is well compensated enough to endure any criticism. I won't feel sorry for him.

 

[TC4THREE]

Yes. This is news to you?

I am on record as saying be careful what you wish for. It can and probably would get worse. So I guess I am Pro Painter.

But I also believe Matt is well compensated enough to endure any criticism. I won't feel sorry for him.

Most of them wouldn't admit to being anti Painter. A few do.

 

[M51]

Painter has 6 wins against ranked opponents on neutral courts.
#22 Louisville in 2007
#22 Davidson in 2008
#15 Washington in 2009
#9 Tennessee in 2009
#23 Texas A&M in 2010
#24 St. Mary's in 2012

When Purdue is ranked, Painter is 4-6 against ranked opponents on a neutral court.
When Purdue is unranked, Painter is 2-12 against ranked opponents on a neutral court.

Include the most recent ND win, possibly Arizona, Painter is 8-20 vs ranked opponents on a neutral court. Not very good.

 

[TC4THREE]

Include the most recent ND win, possibly Arizona, Painter is 8-20 vs ranked opponents on a neutral court. Not very good.

I'm guessing you won't find a ton of coaches with winning records against ranked teams on neutral courts.