Dryfly88 said:

Another example of sitting a player with 2 fouls in the 1st half. Let them play. How many fouls did he end up with?

Coaches do this all the time and I disagree every time. Let your stars play. He was out of sync the rest of the game and so was the rest of the team. So what if he would have picked up his 3rd foul, he still has 2 more. Every minute your star sits, is a minute you can't get back. Play them!

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I agree with you on this one. Would disagree on the “every time” tho. It’s much easier for bigs to pick up that 3rd foul than a PG.

MichaelRR said:

MSU has TWO ranked girls on their roster.....
Iowa has 8 but 4 are frosh who are 6th-10th on the year in scoring for them, mostly deep depth.
UMinn who is 5-3 in conference, but has played an easier schedule (not that anyone here believes we can win 5 conference games) has 4 ranked girls on the roster, but their best player Braunn is out for the year with a foot injury.
Purdue has 4 ranked players on the roster, but one is out injured. We have also lost 4 ranked players in Gearlds time, no other Big Ten team other than Oregon has lost more than one that I have seen.
Illinois has 4 ranked girls but one is out for the year injured
IU has 5 ranked girls

Now, Maryland, OSU, Oregon, Washington, USC, UCLA, and Michigan do out-talent us, but it would be a lot closer if we did not have lost half our ranked kids that we got to campus.

In short, our issue is not getting talent, its retaining it and training it.

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Keeping talent is imperative but I dont know if any departures would have changed any of the outcomes. Mary Stevenson was okay but not a true difference maker. I think the problem is identifying talent coming in.

Rankings only go so far. Maryland, Michigan, Penn State lost a bunch of ranked players in recent years but they were able to bring as good if not better talent in. We had the same discussion last year but outside of northwestern would any Purdue players play any quality minutes at another big ten school? Poorly made roster by this staff.

I tend to think the rankings are baloney. The younger Reynolds isnt in the 100 best but somehow Mila was a ranked player??? Probably the biggest thing Michael has been right about is the severe lack of any skill development over the last couple of years - so many players have taken a step back during this season. The only player I think actually got better with CKG was Harden and she was just made serviceable on both ends.

KentuckyBoiler said:

IU has not been relevant in basketball for close to 10 years now. All of those we should Fire Painter posters on here should see that we have a good thing going. This could be us if we were dumb enough to do that.

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They haven’t had consistency in being good for 3 decades. They’ve had blips here and there but…

they’ve been to the second weekend of the tourney 4 times in 30 years.

3 B1G titles in 30 years.

Making the tourney (on avg) every other year —heavily inflated in 90s.

Kids today know nothing about the good ol days of IU bball and that’s not a draw. Hell, most millennials don’t even know good IU bball so they can’t even pass that on to the next generation

Another example of sitting a player with 2 fouls in the 1st half. Let them play. How many fouls did he end up with?

Coaches do this all the time and I disagree every time. Let your stars play. He was out of sync the rest of the game and so was the rest of the team. So what if he would have picked up his 3rd foul, he still has 2 more. Every minute your star sits, is a minute you can't get back. Play them!

IU has not been relevant in basketball for close to 10 years now. All of those we should Fire Painter posters on here should see that we have a good thing going. This could be us if we were dumb enough to do that.

bonefish1 said:

Where was it in the first term? Trump didn't have this massive mess created by Biden in his first term. Now he has to deal with a problem Biden exacerbated. And he's doing it for you Bob. He's doing it for what's best for American taxpayers.

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What you're saying is it wasn't a political issue he could play you on in the first term. It wasn't any different then than now. If it's wrong now why wasn't it wrong then? You're admitting the reason it's being brought up now is because of the border.

We dodged a bullet that Sampson screwed up with the whole phone calls thing.

jbvazq234 said:

I will not try to convince you. I don’t know the answer. The talent disparity, however, is overwhelming. But now that all the giants are out if the way ( save for O$U) we may be able to see whether we have improved or not. That usc team has 8 burger girls on it, and you can only play five at a time. On the hand our last burger girl was our coach. Kind of like Haiti going to war against the USA. Not much uncertainty about the outcome. So the season so far is not a good yardstick about what kind of team Purdue is other than it obviously is not competitive against the conference top half. The MTU loss is troublesome but that was a lot of games back. The rest of the season will definitely tell where Purdue is in the big picture. We’ll see. Boiler up!

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MSU has TWO ranked girls on their roster.....
Iowa has 8 but 4 are frosh who are 6th-10th on the year in scoring for them, mostly deep depth.
UMinn who is 5-3 in conference, but has played an easier schedule (not that anyone here believes we can win 5 conference games) has 4 ranked girls on the roster, but their best player Braunn is out for the year with a foot injury.
Purdue has 4 ranked players on the roster, but one is out injured. We have also lost 4 ranked players in Gearlds time, no other Big Ten team other than Oregon has lost more than one that I have seen.
Illinois has 4 ranked girls but one is out for the year injured
IU has 5 ranked girls

Now, Maryland, OSU, Oregon, Washington, USC, UCLA, and Michigan do out-talent us, but it would be a lot closer if we would not have lost half our ranked kids that we got to campus.

In short, our issue is not getting talent, its retaining it and training it.

bonefish1 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't we extend the lead with Smith on the bench?

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Yup. But then we started subbing him in and out and there was absolutely no flow to the game/tough for him and others to get into a rhythm.

BB62 said:

Didn't say I decided anything Rambo. But the amendment has been interpreted the same way for over 150 years.

You'd lose your freakin mind if a president put out an executive order trying to change the 2nd amendment.........which is a hell of a lot more vague than the 14th.

Where was this during trumps first term? I guess it wasn't a priority until trump realized it made all you goose steppers giddy.

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Where was it in the first term? Trump didn't have this massive mess created by Biden in his first term. Now he has to deal with a problem Biden exacerbated. And he's doing it for you Bob. He's doing it for what's best for American taxpayers.

DwaynePurvis00 said:

For sure. And then he sat for 10 min in first half 😠 cuz of the dumb second foul….prolly cuz he was tired from the travel and the mins you mentioned

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Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't we extend the lead with Smith on the bench?

Poprudy said:

Also, the expectations for him moving forward has been tainted and/or he truly can change the history of a bad program. If so, I'll give him credit, but it has to be proven over a time period and/or beating teams they should compete against and not getting punched in the mouth.

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Exactly. What happens when he only puts up 6-8 wins each season over the next 3 years? Maybe they’ll still be happy cuz they’ll go to a bowl game consistently and finally win one for the first time since the early 90s?

DwaynePurvis00 said:

In a way, Cignetti’s success has now “ruined” any “wait and see” grace period for any IU bball coach (and frankly maybe any other coach in ncaa). He showed you can come in an turn a program around in a coach’s first year. (There are other examples of course)

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Also, the expectations for him moving forward has been tainted and/or he truly can change the history of a bad program. If so, I'll give him credit, but it has to be proven over a time period and/or beating teams they should compete against and not getting punched in the mouth.

krf3632 said:

Believe Ryan Kerrigan is on Washington staff too.

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Yep. Assistant LB coach and Pass Rush Specialist.

Here he is a couple years ago with Jeff Zgonina, when he was assistant DL coach:

Poprudy said:

I'm not sure anyone will be the answer for that fan base. It's been 6 coaches since the legendary RMK has left and not one has been adequate for them.

They are a quick trigger school that believe they have higher standards in basketball. That's just laughable considering they've been mid-bottom dwellers for such a long time. Like one poster stated "get rid of the RMK people" and they might move forward.

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In a way, Cignetti’s success has now “ruined” any “wait and see” grace period for any IU bball coach (and frankly maybe any other coach in ncaa). He showed you can come in an turn a program around in a coach’s first year. (There are other examples of course)

Do they get a NIL refund from these all world Portal transfers that ended up not being all world?

Should their new nickname in basketball be Buyout Coach U?

BBG said:

They are trying way too hard to replicate what Purdue has done with Painter but Alford is no painter.. hell he is barely an adequate coach. So I hope they hire him, the losing would continue.

But then again, they are a football school now!

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I'm not sure anyone will be the answer for that fan base. It's been 6 coaches since the legendary RMK has left and not one has been adequate for them.

They are a quick trigger school that believe they have higher standards in basketball. That's just laughable considering they've been mid-bottom dwellers for such a long time. Like one poster stated "get rid of the RMK people" and they might move forward.

IU is a football school now. Basketball is just a distraction until Spring Football practice starts.

SIBoiler2 said:

They will never be a winner again until they burn down their connection to the RMK past. Alford will never be the answer.
The only guy that gives them their money's worth is Ballo. The rest of the roster is a walking commercial for the possible downside of NIL.
Speaking of the NW game, the fall Barnhizer took at the end was brutal.

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Ballo is the literal definition of “he’s good because he’s tall/bigger than everyone else”. Not much skill there, no real posts moves. His push shot is hilarious and is not good. So bad at FT shooting with the right hand (50%), he switched to left and is still only shooting 60%.

So, happy for him that he is able to get paid for that but there’s a reason he is back this year and not in any nba talks

Gman544 said:

And Davis took them to their last final four.

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Fluke final four run that set expectations way too high and immediately contributed to the fan base thinking they should do that every year 😂

Last night did not surprise me and it shouldnt have surprised anyone who has watched this team all year. I was actually fairly impressed with how they handled the Watkins girl but Purdue could not make a shot. It goes back to development. Who is working with him on their shots because some of them look worse than November.

Again the result and disparity didnt surprise me. The more concerning piece was the lack of competitiveness against Oregon and Washington both who are way lower on the food chain than SC.

Gesysp said:

You might need to read up on how the NET is calculated.

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I am not interested enough to research it. And I am sure our schedule is a lot tougher that Troy’s, abilene chistian’s, and Purdue Fr Wayne's without doing any research. My take is that playing percentages in sports is overdone: "giver the three, she only shoots 20% from distance." Only to see her torch the nets with several 3's. Maybe other teams actually put some defense on her? Anyway it has already been a long year. Will it be even longer? Maybe, or not. We'll see. Boiler up!

qazplm said:

There's no inherent reason why IU can't succeed but they will have to swallow some pride and realize those banners aren't drawing anyone in.

Go find a good coach and pair him with good money and there's no reason why they cant be an upper half of the conference team.

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When the fans of my generation are gone, and the delusion with them, IU can finally be a competitive team again. Happiness will not return until the banners cult is no more.

TwinDegrees2 said:

I know Steve and know the story. He told them never to call him again because of a situation where he was basically hired to replace Knight and waiting to tell his Iowa players, but certain trustees made an issue and threats about a minority should be hired and they came up with co-coaches in Treloar and Davis.

Treloar didn't want that and told them to give it to Davis and Steve was stabbed in the back.

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And Davis took them to their last final four.

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