BB62 said:

You mean bringing up political issues in church is wrong? Tell all the Christian pastors in America that do it on a regular basis. Or are you saying it's only wrong when trump is attending.......and only if he disagrees with the content? You want me to be believe if it was an evangelical pastor whose sermon was friendly to trumps positions, like is fine in this country every Sunday, he would have said a negative word about it?

Since when is mercy for the weak or oppressed political? Did she tell him what to do or not what to do? She took a position and expressed views that could very well have come from Jesus' mouth.

Your Christianity is conflicting with your political views........and you and the rest of the Christian hypocrites are choosing politics.

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I might have figured you would take the other side since it was Trump. When attending church no one should be singled out with a rant on a political position in front of the whole church. People go to church to pray and come together. She did everything but that.

boilerzz said:

Umm...he did let him play more in the first half.

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Umm....he sat him for large minutes in the 1st half right after picking up the 2nd foul. That in and out at the end of the half didn't help anything. You're being disingenuous on this. You know the point I'm making and you see coaches do it all the time. He played much less in this game then he normally does and my point is there is no reason to pull him with 2 fouls. Nothing happens when you get 3 fouls, you still have 2 more to give. Got him out of the flow and he was never the same the rest of the game.

BB62 said:

I'm saying stop waving the Constitution and then seek to change or undermine it. Hours after swearing allegiance to it trump seeks to change it.

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Well, I'd argue that Trump is seeking neither to change nor undermine it. The courts intrepret the law. Trump wants clarificationon concerning what the 14th actually says. It is not crystal clear and as I mentioned previously, the phrase " . . . and subject to the jurisdiction thereof . . ." certainly creates some wiggle room.

I'm sure the Founding Fathers did not envision foreign citizens having anchor babies any more than they envisioned an FAA. If the courts rule against Trump, he'll probably seek a constitutional amendment. This is the kickoff, not the end of the 4th qtr.

Dryfly88 said:

Another example of sitting a player with 2 fouls in the 1st half. Let them play. How many fouls did he end up with?

Coaches do this all the time and I disagree every time. Let your stars play. He was out of sync the rest of the game and so was the rest of the team. So what if he would have picked up his 3rd foul, he still has 2 more. Every minute your star sits, is a minute you can't get back. Play them!

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Umm...he did let him play more in the first half.

SKYDOG said:

She was wrong to bring up political issues in that setting. There’s a time and place to do such and a mass with the newly elected president attending is not it. Obviously you disagree.

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You mean bringing up political issues in church is wrong? Tell all the Christian pastors in America that do it on a regular basis. Or are you saying it's only wrong when trump is attending.......and only if he disagrees with the content? You want me to be believe if it was an evangelical pastor whose sermon was friendly to trumps positions, like is fine in this country every Sunday, he would have said a negative word about it?

Since when is mercy for the weak or oppressed political? Did she tell him what to do or not what to do? She took a position and expressed views that could very well have come from Jesus' mouth.

Your Christianity is conflicting with your political views........and you and the rest of the Christian hypocrites are choosing politics.

Chi-Boiler said:

Yeah, you don't "drop" from a 2/3 to a 5/6 from one game.

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Especially not to a bubble team. We'd have to lose to Chicago State at home by 40 to get dropped more than 1 seed line.

Quix0te said:

The 14th has been challenged repeatedly over the 249-year history of our nation, example below:

U.S. birthright citizenship established by 1898 San Francisco case involving Chinatown resident

Universal birthright citizenship has long been considered a constitutional right that got its start in San Francisco, thanks to a gutsy young man in Chinatown.

www.cbsnews.com

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Uh ok. Apparently it's been repeatedly defeated.

I'm not arguing trump doesn't have the right to challenge. Why don't you people stop reading what you want into posts? Trump loves for frivolous court challenges. His lawyers are getting filthy rich.

I'm saying stop waving the Constitution and then seek to change or undermine it. Hours after swearing allegiance to it trump seeks to change it.

MichaelRR said:

Not even in the realms of possibility... its like iu fans thinking they can pull Steven's from the Celtics.

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I absolutely agree with you in the real world. WBB doesn't generate enough revenue to make attempting that kind of power play worthwhile. MBB and football is it here. But in dreamland everything is possible, so I'd still try to "Close" the deal

BoilerRingside said:

Last night did not surprise me and it shouldnt have surprised anyone who has watched this team all year. I was actually fairly impressed with how they handled the Watkins girl but Purdue could not make a shot. It goes back to development. Who is working with him on their shots because some of them look worse than November.

Again the result and disparity didnt surprise me. The more concerning piece was the lack of competitiveness against Oregon and Washington both who are way lower on the food chain than SC.

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On paper we are more talented than MSU, but they killed us. UILL is on par with us, but their results the last 2 years far exceed what looks to be CKGs ceiling. Honestly I think we should win UWisc and Northwestern and be competitive with PSU and slight advantage over Rutgers

jbvazq234 said:

If we’re going to look for another coach, I’d forget any versions of Green et aliae, and go very hard after Cori Close. After all UCLA got John Wooden, so that seems fair to me. If we're going to dream why bother to dream small. Boiler up

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Not even in the realms of possibility... its like iu fans thinking they can pull Steven's from the Celtics.

MichaelRR said:

But unlike the other three we still have the resources and conference affiliation to rise again with competent leadership. The NAIA experiment has failed spectacularly as anyone who follows WCBB would have expected. Now its time to go find our version of Green/Plitzuweit/Fralick. Its obvious with the right coach we could bounce up off the canvas and at least be competitive with the middle of the Big Ten and hopefully build back to being a top 25 team.

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If we’re going to look for another coach, I’d forget any versions of Green et aliae, and go very hard after Cori Close. After all UCLA got John Wooden, so that seems fair to me. If we're going to dream why bother to dream small. Boiler up

jbvazq234 said:

I will not try to convince you. I don’t know the answer. The talent disparity, however, is overwhelming. But now that all the giants are out if the way ( save for O$U) we may be able to see whether we have improved or not. That usc team has 8 burger girls on it, and you can only play five at a time. On the hand our last burger girl was our coach. Kind of like Haiti going to war against the USA. Not much uncertainty about the outcome. So the season so far is not a good yardstick about what kind of team Purdue is other than it obviously is not competitive against the conference top half. The MTU loss is troublesome but that was a lot of games back. The rest of the season will definitely tell where Purdue is in the big picture. We’ll see. Boiler up!

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This is exactly why the women’s game bores me. These girls don’t turn pro early so the disparity pretty much is a yearly thing. I think Purdue will win 2-4 Big Ten games, it will probably be the same next year, maybe 5-6. If Purdue wants to compete in women’s hoops they need a Coaching change and commit to winning, not sure they care about it these days.

Yeah that was disappointing. Pistons have been on a roll since he got hurt, winning 8 of 11. Cunningham is killing it.

jbvazq234 said:

I will not try to convince you. I don’t know the answer. The talent disparity, however, is overwhelming. But now that all the giants are out if the way ( save for O$U) we may be able to see whether we have improved or not. That usc team has 8 burger girls on it, and you can only play five at a time. On the hand our last burger girl was our coach. Kind of like Haiti going to war against the USA. Not much uncertainty about the outcome. So the season so far is not a good yardstick about what kind of team Purdue is other than it obviously is not competitive against the conference top half. The MTU loss is troublesome but that was a lot of games back. The rest of the season will definitely tell where Purdue is in the big picture. We’ll see. Boiler up!

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I said awhile back that a better gauge would be against opponents that weren't filled with burger girls left and right. Yeah the Washington's, Oregon's, MSU's should have been closer but here we are.

We'll see how they do in the following games but this team is so reliant on the opposing team not being able to hit open 3's. It's a bit sad, but it's basically been a strategy in a few games(USC, Maryland, Oregon come to mind) to just let players shoot non contested 3's and try to just close down the drives to the bucket.

So we don't match up well against teams that

1. Can shoot the 3 - Washington, IU, Nebraska, Michigan.

2. Run a press/agressive style defense.(MSU, PSU still?) Turnovers galore with this team.

There is also point 3 - teams that are overwhelming more talented, it doesn't matter if they can't shoot.(USC isn't a very good 3 pt shooting team 32.3%)

Point being, we have more favorable match ups against ILL(29.6), Rutgers(29.0), NU(28.6), Wisc(32.3). Even Oregon(28.7) we matched up well with, we just had so many atrocious TO's.

I don’t know if these teams run alot of press, but if not, those are games we should be able to hang around and maybe win.


I do wonder if the team has any fight left in them though. Guess we'll find out on Monday.

jbvazq234 said:

Old Dominion, La Tech, Tx Tech, Purdue …. The good old days of WBB ancient history. “ The glory that was Rome is of another day…” Four rotten in womanhattan…

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But unlike the other three we still have the resources and conference affiliation to rise again with competent leadership. The NAIA experiment has failed spectacularly as anyone who follows WCBB would have expected. Now its time to go find our version of Green/Plitzuweit/Fralick. Its obvious with the right coach we could bounce up off the canvas and at least be competitive with the middle of the Big Ten and hopefully build back to being a top 25 team.

Born Boiler said:

Not just 0-8 in the Big Ten, but -9 … -21 … -18 … -34 … -27 … -16 … -29 … -42 … Such losing margins mark the beyond-sorry state of Purdue women’s basketball, having sunk below the bottom of the Big Ten. And let’s not forget November’s 44-point loss to one-time lesser rival Notre Dame, to whom a tournament loss once cost a Purdue coach her job.

For nearly three decades, Purdue had arguably the best program in the Big Ten, anchored in the national rankings for each of 21 years, winning seven Big Ten season championships, winning nine Big Ten tourneys, reaching eight NCAA Elite Eights and three NCAA Final Fours and winning the 1999 NCAA championship while boasting All-Americans from McDonald’s to The AP.

Somehow, in the past 10 years, despite the devoted tutelage of former star guards Sharon Versyp and Katie Gearlds, Purdue has fallen into the pit, failing to even remotely compete with anyone.

Now we’ll have to pay even more for their play. Time to start playing off-court. Power Ball.

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Old Dominion, La Tech, Tx Tech, Purdue …. The good old days of WBB ancient history. “ The glory that was Rome is of another day…” Four rotten in womanhattan…

DwaynePurvis00 said:

Eaaaaasssy there. Lots of bball to be played

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Yeah, you don't "drop" from a 2/3 to a 5/6 from one game.

Not in the NFL, but Marcus Freeman of Notre Dame was a coach for us.

BoilerRingside said:

Keeping talent is imperative but I dont know if any departures would have changed any of the outcomes. Mary Stevenson was okay but not a true difference maker. I think the problem is identifying talent coming in.

Rankings only go so far. Maryland, Michigan, Penn State lost a bunch of ranked players in recent years but they were able to bring as good if not better talent in. We had the same discussion last year but outside of northwestern would any Purdue players play any quality minutes at another big ten school? Poorly made roster by this staff.

I tend to think the rankings are baloney. The younger Reynolds isnt in the 100 best but somehow Mila was a ranked player??? Probably the biggest thing Michael has been right about is the severe lack of any skill development over the last couple of years - so many players have taken a step back during this season. The only player I think actually got better with CKG was Harden and she was just made serviceable on both ends.

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Certainly the rankings are only a beginning point of discussion. Players like Ayrault at MSU and Olsen at Iowa are far better than their rankings and others like Stoddard and the Reynolds sisters don't look like top 200 players much less where they were ranked. Oregon and Maryland certainly have lost as much talent as we have the past 4 years, but as you have stated, they bring in far more than we do and sift through them rather harshly.

Mary Ashley would be the best player on this team. Kyle would be our starting center and far more capable of playing against the talented centers we have faced than our unranked but talented and motivated frosh centers. Williams, Potts, and Stoddard might not be great players, but I doubt they would be (much) worse than Bass, Petree, and Collier....

Did Harden actually get better or just become coach's pet and get used well above her talent and performance level same as Collier this season?

One other point in the schools that are even with us on talent on paper but kicking our asses on the court, several of them have coaches hired after CKG was hired. With Jenson at Iowa that comes with an asterisk of being on the Iowa bench for nearly 2 decades before taking over the head job. But Green at UILL, Dawn Plitzuweit at UMinn and Krieger at PSU are truly shorter tenured at current jobs than CKG. Oh and Fralick at MSU is in her second season with on paper a less talented roster than we have.

As to our current players performance if they transferred to other BT schools. Swanson would be a sharpshooter off the bench for any but the top 7 teams. MCCarthy/Puryear would be a back up post for about 5 teams, and Layden would be a zone buster on most of the mid to bottom tier teams. The rest of the players on our team have shown no ability to play BT ball, except maybe Lombard, but I think she is just looking good because the rest of our team is playing pretty awful most nights. But I suspect half of that is lack of coaching and poor fit into CKG's/Versyp's high school offensive system.

DwaynePurvis00 said:

They haven’t had consistency in being good for 3 decades. They’ve had blips here and there but…

they’ve been to the second weekend of the tourney 4 times in 30 years.

3 B1G titles in 30 years.

Making the tourney (on avg) every other year —heavily inflated in 90s.

Kids today know nothing about the good ol days of IU bball and that’s not a draw. Hell, most millennials don’t even know good IU bball so they can’t even pass that on to the next generation

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One thing they should pass on to the next generation is just say no to wearing clown pants

Dryfly88 said:

Another example of sitting a player with 2 fouls in the 1st half. Let them play. How many fouls did he end up with?

Coaches do this all the time and I disagree every time. Let your stars play. He was out of sync the rest of the game and so was the rest of the team. So what if he would have picked up his 3rd foul, he still has 2 more. Every minute your star sits, is a minute you can't get back. Play them!

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I agree with you on this one. Would disagree on the “every time” tho. It’s much easier for bigs to pick up that 3rd foul than a PG.

MichaelRR said:

MSU has TWO ranked girls on their roster.....
Iowa has 8 but 4 are frosh who are 6th-10th on the year in scoring for them, mostly deep depth.
UMinn who is 5-3 in conference, but has played an easier schedule (not that anyone here believes we can win 5 conference games) has 4 ranked girls on the roster, but their best player Braunn is out for the year with a foot injury.
Purdue has 4 ranked players on the roster, but one is out injured. We have also lost 4 ranked players in Gearlds time, no other Big Ten team other than Oregon has lost more than one that I have seen.
Illinois has 4 ranked girls but one is out for the year injured
IU has 5 ranked girls

Now, Maryland, OSU, Oregon, Washington, USC, UCLA, and Michigan do out-talent us, but it would be a lot closer if we did not have lost half our ranked kids that we got to campus.

In short, our issue is not getting talent, its retaining it and training it.

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Keeping talent is imperative but I dont know if any departures would have changed any of the outcomes. Mary Stevenson was okay but not a true difference maker. I think the problem is identifying talent coming in.

Rankings only go so far. Maryland, Michigan, Penn State lost a bunch of ranked players in recent years but they were able to bring as good if not better talent in. We had the same discussion last year but outside of northwestern would any Purdue players play any quality minutes at another big ten school? Poorly made roster by this staff.

I tend to think the rankings are baloney. The younger Reynolds isnt in the 100 best but somehow Mila was a ranked player??? Probably the biggest thing Michael has been right about is the severe lack of any skill development over the last couple of years - so many players have taken a step back during this season. The only player I think actually got better with CKG was Harden and she was just made serviceable on both ends.