USC at Purdue
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It's embarrassing what the program has become after years of being elite
These games are like watching girls high school basketball mismatches. Look, I understand losing these games, it should never be exceptable to lose by 42 points at home, this is one reason why I don’t enjoy the women’s game that much, these scores are ridiculous. Not sure how Purdue gets much better, if they can’t bring in good portal players they aren’t going to win with 1-2 top 75 type recruits. The difference between a top 10 girl to a top 50 one is huge where’s the men’s aren’t
Do we just not have any talent? It seems the excuse always we are a young team.
When your coach cannot keep players or develop talent, you get a team like Purdue is. There is talent on this team, Better than our results show.
We had 16 points in the 1st quarter and 21 the rest of the game. Okay, someone can say that we were expected to lose. That's a given, but are we seeing any improvement? If yes, convince me.
I certainly see no improvement, either game to game or year to year
Time for Gearlds and staff to go. This is embarrassing - it’s been embarrassing since our first “worst defeat ever” this year.
I will not try to convince you. I don’t know the answer. The talent disparity, however, is overwhelming. But now that all the giants are out if the way ( save for O$U) we may be able to see whether we have improved or not. That usc team has 8 burger girls on it, and you can only play five at a time. On the hand our last burger girl was our coach. Kind of like Haiti going to war against the USA. Not much uncertainty about the outcome. So the season so far is not a good yardstick about what kind of team Purdue is other than it obviously is not competitive against the conference top half. The MTU loss is troublesome but that was a lot of games back. The rest of the season will definitely tell where Purdue is in the big picture. We’ll see. Boiler up!
If this program can no longer compete then just shut it down. Paying these coaches bookoo bucks is ridiculous for the product on the floor.
Not sure if you've paid attention, but Iowa lost like 5 games straight after curb stomping us, to a depleted UILL, a depleted NebU, and IU; all teams we have yet to face. Their only win since our game was against PSU. They are not a team that should have curb stomped us the way they did unless we are just really awful.
A beat B, B beat C therefore C cannot beat A sounds like a sound argument, but it does not always hold in basketball. O$U beat ranked Purdue men last year and this year. PSU women beat O$U. That is good to keep in nund but it is not a predictor of what will actually happen. Boiler up!
Talent disparity falls squarely on the shoulders of Gearlds and her staff. They are paid 6 figures to get the talent and build a cohesive team.
I hear you, but in this age of nil schools that pinch pennies have practically zero chance unless they can hit lightning in a bottle and find a couple of hidden gems under the radar. Not likely to happen. I’m afraid the days of Purdue wbb national relevance are ancient history . Boiler up!
Take a look at the 140 programs ahead of us. Power houses like Troy, Abilene Christian and Purdue Ft Wayne certainly can’t have better NIL. Lol.
True but they don’t play the same quality of teams year in and year out. Hammer down!
I am not interested enough to research it. And I am sure our schedule is a lot tougher that Troy’s, abilene chistian’s, and Purdue Fr Wayne's without doing any research. My take is that playing percentages in sports is overdone: "giver the three, she only shoots 20% from distance." Only to see her torch the nets with several 3's. Maybe other teams actually put some defense on her? Anyway it has already been a long year. Will it be even longer? Maybe, or not. We'll see. Boiler up!
Last night did not surprise me and it shouldnt have surprised anyone who has watched this team all year. I was actually fairly impressed with how they handled the Watkins girl but Purdue could not make a shot. It goes back to development. Who is working with him on their shots because some of them look worse than November.
Again the result and disparity didnt surprise me. The more concerning piece was the lack of competitiveness against Oregon and Washington both who are way lower on the food chain than SC.
Again the result and disparity didnt surprise me. The more concerning piece was the lack of competitiveness against Oregon and Washington both who are way lower on the food chain than SC.
MSU has TWO ranked girls on their roster.....
Iowa has 8 but 4 are frosh who are 6th-10th on the year in scoring for them, mostly deep depth.
UMinn who is 5-3 in conference, but has played an easier schedule (not that anyone here believes we can win 5 conference games) has 4 ranked girls on the roster, but their best player Braunn is out for the year with a foot injury.
Purdue has 4 ranked players on the roster, but one is out injured. We have also lost 4 ranked players in Gearlds time, no other Big Ten team other than Oregon has lost more than one that I have seen.
Illinois has 4 ranked girls but one is out for the year injured
IU has 5 ranked girls
Now, Maryland, OSU, Oregon, Washington, USC, UCLA, and Michigan do out-talent us, but it would be a lot closer if we would not have lost half our ranked kids that we got to campus.
In short, our issue is not getting talent, its retaining it and training it.
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Keeping talent is imperative but I dont know if any departures would have changed any of the outcomes. Mary Stevenson was okay but not a true difference maker. I think the problem is identifying talent coming in.
Rankings only go so far. Maryland, Michigan, Penn State lost a bunch of ranked players in recent years but they were able to bring as good if not better talent in. We had the same discussion last year but outside of northwestern would any Purdue players play any quality minutes at another big ten school? Poorly made roster by this staff.
I tend to think the rankings are baloney. The younger Reynolds isnt in the 100 best but somehow Mila was a ranked player??? Probably the biggest thing Michael has been right about is the severe lack of any skill development over the last couple of years - so many players have taken a step back during this season. The only player I think actually got better with CKG was Harden and she was just made serviceable on both ends.
Certainly the rankings are only a beginning point of discussion. Players like Ayrault at MSU and Olsen at Iowa are far better than their rankings and others like Stoddard and the Reynolds sisters don't look like top 200 players much less where they were ranked. Oregon and Maryland certainly have lost as much talent as we have the past 4 years, but as you have stated, they bring in far more than we do and sift through them rather harshly.
Mary Ashley would be the best player on this team. Kyle would be our starting center and far more capable of playing against the talented centers we have faced than our unranked but talented and motivated frosh centers. Williams, Potts, and Stoddard might not be great players, but I doubt they would be (much) worse than Bass, Petree, and Collier....
Did Harden actually get better or just become coach's pet and get used well above her talent and performance level same as Collier this season?
One other point in the schools that are even with us on talent on paper but kicking our asses on the court, several of them have coaches hired after CKG was hired. With Jenson at Iowa that comes with an asterisk of being on the Iowa bench for nearly 2 decades before taking over the head job. But Green at UILL, Dawn Plitzuweit at UMinn and Krieger at PSU are truly shorter tenured at current jobs than CKG. Oh and Fralick at MSU is in her second season with on paper a less talented roster than we have.
As to our current players performance if they transferred to other BT schools. Swanson would be a sharpshooter off the bench for any but the top 7 teams. MCCarthy/Puryear would be a back up post for about 5 teams, and Layden would be a zone buster on most of the mid to bottom tier teams. The rest of the players on our team have shown no ability to play BT ball, except maybe Lombard, but I think she is just looking good because the rest of our team is playing pretty awful most nights. But I suspect half of that is lack of coaching and poor fit into CKG's/Versyp's high school offensive system.
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I said awhile back that a better gauge would be against opponents that weren't filled with burger girls left and right. Yeah the Washington's, Oregon's, MSU's should have been closer but here we are.
We'll see how they do in the following games but this team is so reliant on the opposing team not being able to hit open 3's. It's a bit sad, but it's basically been a strategy in a few games(USC, Maryland, Oregon come to mind) to just let players shoot non contested 3's and try to just close down the drives to the bucket.
So we don't match up well against teams that
1. Can shoot the 3 - Washington, IU, Nebraska, Michigan.
2. Run a press/agressive style defense.(MSU, PSU still?) Turnovers galore with this team.
There is also point 3 - teams that are overwhelming more talented, it doesn't matter if they can't shoot.(USC isn't a very good 3 pt shooting team 32.3%)
Point being, we have more favorable match ups against ILL(29.6), Rutgers(29.0), NU(28.6), Wisc(32.3). Even Oregon(28.7) we matched up well with, we just had so many atrocious TO's.
I don’t know if these teams run alot of press, but if not, those are games we should be able to hang around and maybe win.
I do wonder if the team has any fight left in them though. Guess we'll find out on Monday.
This is exactly why the women’s game bores me. These girls don’t turn pro early so the disparity pretty much is a yearly thing. I think Purdue will win 2-4 Big Ten games, it will probably be the same next year, maybe 5-6. If Purdue wants to compete in women’s hoops they need a Coaching change and commit to winning, not sure they care about it these days.
On paper we are more talented than MSU, but they killed us. UILL is on par with us, but their results the last 2 years far exceed what looks to be CKGs ceiling. Honestly I think we should win UWisc and Northwestern and be competitive with PSU and slight advantage over Rutgers
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