Who signs with Purdue this fall?

[Wolegib]

Fans have to start realizing it’s not the schools who are paying the big nil contract offers. Those offers are coming from boosters and private companies. Miami didn’t give pack all that money, a booster did. The guy who paid pack all that money will find somebody new. And players can make their own nil deals. They don’t need to work those deals through the school or even require the school’s permission.

Purdue’s biggest problem is that their wealthiest donors are more interested in donating their money to academics rather than athletics. And are more interested in donating to cancer research and st Jude’s hospital than to giving to one and done athletes!

Places like Texas A&M are always going to have huge nil donors. Because their ethics and values are different than Purdue donors! My donations go to elementary schools, not athletes. The Armstrong Foundation donates very little to athletes! The same is true with Ely Lilly.

While not a popular opinion on this forum, I think it’s awesome these foundations choose to support cancer research and education And youth programs over giving money to athletes. I say let the pro teams fund college athletes! If you got that kind of money to give to LeBron and mahomes, let them pay the college stars!

 

[Boileratthebeach]

Fans have to start realizing it’s not the schools who are paying the big nil contract offers. Those offers are coming from boosters and private companies. Miami didn’t give pack all that money, a booster did. The guy who paid pack all that money will find somebody new. And players can make their own nil deals. They don’t need to work those deals through the school or even require the school’s permission.

Purdue’s biggest problem is that their wealthiest donors are more interested in donating their money to academics rather than athletics. And are more interested in donating to cancer research and st Jude’s hospital than to giving to one and done athletes!

Places like Texas A&M are always going to have huge nil donors. Because their ethics and values are different than Purdue donors! My donations go to elementary schools, not athletes. The Armstrong Foundation donates very little to athletes! The same is true with Ely Lilly.

While not a popular opinion on this forum, I think it’s awesome these foundations choose to support cancer research and education And youth programs over giving money to athletes. I say let the pro teams fund college athletes! If you got that kind of money to give to LeBron and mahomes, let them pay the college stars!

Wow tend to agree. I’d rather support a helpful non profit via donation than some 18 year old kid to play basketball - even though he’s getting a free education.

 

[TTucker30]

He’s from jeffersonville across the river from Louisville. That’s only about 10 miles away from Sellersberg which is the home of TKR so proximity is close but it doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s going to choose U of L.

Brian Neubert's article this morning said that Lousville is out of the mix now for Tre Singleton. I think it sounds like Purdue's main competition for Singleton now is Northwestern, who has recruited him the longest. Tre also said being able to play as a freshman is something that's really important for him, and the path at Northwestern would be easier to do that than Purdue. There is very little credibility to the following so take it for what you will, but I heard his Dad want's him to go to Northwestern.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Brian Neubert's article this morning said that Lousville is out of the mix now for Tre Singleton. I think it sounds like Purdue's main competition for Singleton now is Northwestern, who has recruited him the longest. Tre also said being able to play as a freshman is something that's really important for him, and the path at Northwestern would be easier to do that than Purdue. There is very little credibility to the following so take it for what you will, but I heard his Dad want's him to go to Northwestern.

That’s really interesting. Thanks for the update.

Edit: are you able to link that article?

 

[TTucker30]

That’s really interesting. Thanks for the update.

Edit: are you able to link that article?

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I think it requires a subscription to read it though.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

BOILING OVER: Purdue basketball recruiting, football visitors and more

Welcome to “BOILING OVER,” GoldandBlack.com’s weekly information clearinghouse, a spot for assorted bits of Purdue news, analysis and so on

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I think it requires a subscription to read it though.

Legend! Thanks! Interesting stuff!

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Brian Neubert's article this morning said that Lousville is out of the mix now for Tre Singleton. I think it sounds like Purdue's main competition for Singleton now is Northwestern, who has recruited him the longest. Tre also said being able to play as a freshman is something that's really important for him, and the path at Northwestern would be easier to do that than Purdue. There is very little credibility to the following so take it for what you will, but I heard his Dad want's him to go to Northwestern.

Knowing Painter, he won’t argue that the path to playing time at Northwestern is easier. That said, the Purdue roster doesn’t have an abundance of players who are locked into the four position. They are generally either 3-4s like Heide or 4-5s like TKR. Catchings was probably the closest thing to a pure 4 and he de-committed.

 

[northside100]

Fans have to start realizing it’s not the schools who are paying the big nil contract offers. Those offers are coming from boosters and private companies. Miami didn’t give pack all that money, a booster did. The guy who paid pack all that money will find somebody new. And players can make their own nil deals. They don’t need to work those deals through the school or even require the school’s permission.

Purdue’s biggest problem is that their wealthiest donors are more interested in donating their money to academics rather than athletics. And are more interested in donating to cancer research and st Jude’s hospital than to giving to one and done athletes!

Places like Texas A&M are always going to have huge nil donors. Because their ethics and values are different than Purdue donors! My donations go to elementary schools, not athletes. The Armstrong Foundation donates very little to athletes! The same is true with Ely Lilly.

While not a popular opinion on this forum, I think it’s awesome these foundations choose to support cancer research and education And youth programs over giving money to athletes. I say let the pro teams fund college athletes! If you got that kind of money to give to LeBron and mahomes, let them pay the college stars!

I think I agree with most of what you're saying, but there is a fundamental difference in philosophy between the Miami approach with Pack and the approach that Painter and team are taking. At least to this point, Matt Painter will not make a 'strong ass offer' to a recruit, beyond the standard NIL payment that everyone else on the team receives.

 

[BoilerAndy]

While not a popular opinion on this forum, I think it’s awesome these foundations choose to support cancer research and education

What part of your twisted brain produced this? Or is this you being original and courageous again? Or do you simply have more virtue than everyone else?

 

[northside100]

Knowing Painter, he won’t argue that the path to playing time at Northwestern is easier. That said, the Purdue roster doesn’t have an abundance of players who are locked into the four position. They are generally either 3-4s like Heide or 4-5s like TKR. Catchings was probably the closest thing to a pure 4 and he de-committed.

Yes, agree. Heide is a jumbo 3, Burgess is a 4/5. There isn't a true stretch 4 on the roster and hasn't been since Vince (Gillis was great but was a completely different mold).

 

[TTucker30]

Yes, agree. Heide is a jumbo 3, Burgess is a 4/5. There isn't a true stretch 4 on the roster and hasn't been since Vince (Gillis was great but was a completely different mold).

Kanon Catchings would have been perfect. What could have been.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

Kanon Catchings would have been perfect. What could have been.

Every bit of film on Burgess shows a Big 10 body and a really soft jumper extending to the 3 line. Not sure what you think a real 4 is, but it sure AIN"T a 200lb front liner. Maybe with Zach and Mason, not with Trey and Heide. Let it go..

 

[TTucker30]

Every bit of film on Burgess shows a Big 10 body and a really soft jumper extending to the 3 line. Not sure what you think a real 4 is, but it sure AIN"T a 200lb front liner. Boy among men there.

That’s a valid point. I wonder how Burgess will do guarding more perimeter focused forwards and ball screens.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Every bit of film on Burgess shows a Big 10 body and a really soft jumper extending to the 3 line. Not sure what you think a real 4 is, but it sure AIN"T a 200lb front liner. Maybe with Zach and Mason, not with Trey and Heide. Let it go..

The game has changed and while Burgess may very well be a four at Purdue, he has the build of a five in the way that the game has evolved.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

The game has changed and while Burgess may very well be a four at Purdue, he has the build of a five in the way that the game has evolved.

What is the build of a 4 in your eyes?

 

[northside100]

The game has changed and while Burgess may very well be a four at Purdue, he has the build of a five in the way that the game has evolved.

I don’t know that it’s the build as much as the guard skills. I think a lot of people here would like to see a Robbie or a Vince type at the four, but it’s all about fit.

We’ve seen guys like Gillis and Eifert, who didn’t have guard skills, be hugely impactful because they can shoot the ball and neither had near the length or physical gifts of RB.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

What is the build of a 4 in your eyes?

I think that the 4 today is a lot like the 3 used to be. Robbie Hummel was a little ahead of his time, but he was the first name that came to mind when you asked.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

I don’t know that it’s the build as much as the guard skills. I think a lot of people here would like to see a Robbie or a Vince type at the four, but it’s all about fit.

We’ve seen guys like Gillis and Eifert, who didn’t have guard skills, be hugely impactful because they can shoot the ball and neither had near the length or physical gifts of RB.

It’s more about defense than it is about skills, at least as I see it. I haven’t seen enough of Burgess to know about his lateral quickness, but he’s big enough to match well with most big men.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

The game has changed and while Burgess may very well be a four at Purdue, he has the build of a five in the way that the game has evolved.

he's a stretch 4 by all definitions, including that we (probably) won't be playing him at the 5 with Berg, Jacobson, Furst and TKR already there.

 

[northside100]

It’s more about defense than it is about skills, at least as I see it. I haven’t seen enough of Burgess to know about his lateral quickness, but he’s big enough to match well with most big men.

I’m not sure I follow your point. I agree that he is big enough to be able to guard the five and would need to be quick enough to guard fours. So defense is certainly an important factor.

My point was that in addition to being able to guard a four. At a minimum you need to be able to shoot, which reports would indicate that RB can do. IMO, a true stretch for also has guard like passing and ball handling skills like a Robbie and Vince. That doesn’t seem to be RM’s MO, which is fine.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

I’m not sure I follow your point. I agree that he is big enough to be able to guard the five and would need to be quick enough to guard fours. So defense is certainly an important factor.

My point was that in addition to being able to guard a four. At a minimum you need to be able to shoot, which reports would indicate that RB can do. IMO, a true stretch for also has guard like passing and ball handling skills like a Robbie and Vince. That doesn’t seem to be RM’s MO, which is fine.

Going back to my original post on the topic, I said that he likely would play the 4 for Purdue. That said, if you look on his recruiting profile on 247 it says center. I have seen him listed at 6’11” and 240. There are a lot of teams out there who would play him as a stretch 5. If you play him at the 4, he’s going to have to guard players who look a lot more like Cam Heide in space. I am not saying that he can’t do it, but I have always viewed him, since the first video I watched as a 4/5, rather than a pure 4.

 

[PaBoiler78]

Going back to my original post on the topic, I said that he likely would play the 4 for Purdue. That said, if you look on his recruiting profile on 247 it says center. I have seen him listed at 6’11” and 240. There are a lot of teams out there who would play him as a stretch 5. If you play him at the 4, he’s going to have to guard players who look a lot more like Cam Heide in space. I am not saying that he can’t do it, but I have always viewed him, since the first video I watched as a 4/5, rather than a pure 4.

lots of discussion here about Burgess, he's still going to redshirt right?

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

lots of discussion here about Burgess, he's still going to redshirt right?

Hasn’t been made official. Reports are he’s looked pretty good in practice and body is ready now. But as this board knows, we are quite log jammed at the 4 and 5…so not sure how he gets mins.

 

[proudopete]

Hasn’t been made official. Reports are he’s looked pretty good in practice and body is ready now. But as this board knows, we are quite log jammed at the 4 and 5…so not sure how he gets mins.

Talk is he redshirts and becomes the four we needed in the 25 class.

Brian has said that if he redshirts, he will be the most ready player to do so in the Painter era.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Talk is he redshirts and becomes the four we needed in the 25 class.

Brian has said that if he redshirts, he will be the most ready player to do so in the Painter era.

Yeah Id say he redshirts this year. He’s gonna be really good for us I think.

 

[Smokestack91]

If Burgess wants to talk to someone about his redshirt decision, it seems like TKR would be the right person. His redshirt year has benefited him greatly.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

I’m not sure I follow your point. I agree that he is big enough to be able to guard the five and would need to be quick enough to guard fours. So defense is certainly an important factor.

My point was that in addition to being able to guard a four. At a minimum you need to be able to shoot, which reports would indicate that RB can do. IMO, a true stretch for also has guard like passing and ball handling skills like a Robbie and Vince. That doesn’t seem to be RM’s MO, which is fine.

TI've never seen any discussion or posting that a stretch 4 has guard like skills.
Stretch just means they can shoot it outside to hopefully keep opposing 4 from sagging on 5.

 

[northside100]

TI've never seen any discussion or posting that a stretch 4 has guard like skills.
Stretch just means they can shoot it outside to hopefully keep opposing 4 from sagging on 5.

Would you call Gillis a stretch 4? Eifert?

I think of Robbie and Vince as a 'true' stretch 4 and I think that's what a lot of folks are looking for versus Gillis or Eifert, but that may just be me.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

Assuming this is for West? Thought I read he was announcing Oct 1.

 

[TTucker30]

Assuming this is for West? Thought I read he was announcing Oct 1.

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Yep, it's West.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

Up next?!? Don’t know where we stand but would be a nice piece to add

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Up next?!? Don’t know where we stand but would be a nice piece to add

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Have seen chatter we will know in the next two weeks about who signs…either SWA or Singelton…whoever commits first. Or porque no Los dos? 😂

 

[Roeder]

Have seen chatter we will know in the next two weeks about who signs…either SWA or Singelton…whoever commits first. Or porque no Los dos? 😂

I'd be ecstatic with either. Singleton just seems like a Purdue guy. SWA would add some athleticism that the overall roster probably needs.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

Have seen chatter we will know in the next two weeks about who signs…either SWA or Singelton…whoever commits first. Or porque no Los dos? 😂

Didn’t know there was any chatter!!! Love some chatter.

I’m assuming Painter will have to have the talk that there is 1 spot up for grabs.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Didn’t know there was any chatter!!! Love some chatter.

I’m assuming Painter will have to have the talk that there is 1 spot up for grabs.

Technically we have two scholarships…so we could take both. But yeah since they okay the same position….

Does SWA want to play a ton of mins and get paid? If so, Auburn is his answer. If he wants to play for a team that’s going to more than likely win a lot his freshman year and make a deep run, but he may not play a ton that first year— but have the opportunity to gain those mins, Purdues his answer.

If singleton wants to play a lot his Frosh year, NW (yeah I know NU) is prob where he should go. But they aren’t gong to be very good. If he wants to win and have an opportunity to play a lot, but also there may be a chance he doesn’t, then Purdue is where he should go.

All depends on what they want!

 

[HarrysPostGame13]

Technically we have two scholarships…so we could take both. But yeah since they okay the same position….

Does SWA want to play a ton of mins and get paid? If so, Auburn is his answer. If he wants to play for a team that’s going to more than likely win a lot his freshman year and make a deep run, but he may not play a ton that first year— but have the opportunity to gain those mins, Purdues his answer.

If singleton wants to play a lot his Frosh year, NW (yeah I know NU) is prob where he should go. But they aren’t gong to be very good. If he wants to win and have an opportunity to play a lot, but also there may be a chance he doesn’t, then Purdue is where he should go.

All depends on what they want!

Hoping it’s not NW. If I have to see another court storm and Loyer get mugged by Collins live I’ll swan dive into Lake Michigan.

 

[northside100]

Didn’t know there was any chatter!!! Love some chatter.

I’m assuming Painter will have to have the talk that there is 1 spot up for grabs.

We would be very fortunate to land either. Fingers crossed.

 

[Heads up BOILER]

Up next?!? Don’t know where we stand but would be a nice piece to add

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I wonder if this is in response to what SWA posted the night before about his visit and rumors that Kansas is out on him making Purdue a landing spot of increased likelihood? I take this as a sign that he is leaning toward Purdue and we could see him commit soon if he’s picking Purdue to get ahead of SWA.?. I also may be completely off base and reading too much into this.
I am really high on Singleton and as I have said a few times think he’s the better get between him and Sisley.
If he commits before SWA is ready to make his decision but both choose Purdue I can’t imagine that Paint would not take both of them. If both leaning Purdue, this could become a race to be the first to commit! 🤔🤷🏼‍♂️

 

[ChoiceBeef]

I wonder if this is in response to what SWA posted the night before about his visit and rumors that Kansas is out on him making Purdue a landing spot of increased likelihood? I take this as a sign that he is leaning toward Purdue and we could see him commit soon if he’s picking Purdue to get ahead of SWA.?. I also may be completely off base and reading too much into this.
I am really high on Singleton and as I have said a few times think he’s the better get between him and Sisley.
If he commits before SWA is ready to make his decision but both choose Purdue I can’t imagine that Paint would not take both of them. If both leaning Purdue, this could become a race to be the first to commit! 🤔🤷🏼‍♂️

Good points. Wonder if it is similar to Furst and TKR? I don’t know if one is more traditional 4/5 and the other is hybrid 4/5? Curious how this all plays out.

I did see Singleton has a visit at ND this weekend but not sure their chances considering their recent recruiting haul. Granted, Micah is still building so he can promise playing time.

 

[Wolegib]

I see Burgess as a 4. I saw Haarms also as a 4. I didn’t see Haarms as a center. I don’t believe Haarms saw himself as a center either. I see Gillis and Heide as a three and not a 4 regardless of the position they played at Purdue. The question to ask is if these players played at other schools, would they still play the position they played at Purdue? Or would they play what I believe is their more natural position? Will Gillis start at the 4 for Duke, or will he slide over to the three?

Yes the game has changed. Larry Bird and Big Dog and LeBron were once all 4’s. But they changed to become a 3.

Today’s college players have a lot more freedom where they play and the position they want to play. If they are unhappy they leave via the portal. I believe that affected Catchings decision to go elsewhere.

Many posters here claim Catchings would be the perfect 4 at Purdue! But what is Catchings most likely position in the NBA? I believe it’s the 3. Was castings ever going to play the 3 in Painter’s 3 guard offense? I say no. While posters her believe Catchings would have made the perfect 4 in Purdue’s offense, I ask, what if Catchings didn’t want to be forced into playing the 4? Just because you want him to play the 4 doesn’t mean he wanted to. It’s the same with Sisley. What if he didn’t want to play the 4 and also wanted to play the 3? And that’s the real reason both players decided to go elsewhere because they didn’t want to be part of Painter’s 3 guard offense.

It’s obvious Painter is not going to change his offense. But I believe what we are seeing today is athletes choosing schools Based on positions they want to play and positions they believe they will play in the NBA. I believe if Bird and Big Dog played in college. Today, they would play for teams that would allow them to play the position they would play in the pros. They would play for teams that would allow them to play the 3.

It will be interesting to watch what positions Sisley and Catchings play in college? Will it be the 4 as many people here suggest they are perfect for? Or will they play the 3 as I suggest to prepare themselves for the pros. It will also be interesting to see if they become one and dones or if they play in college a few years.

While Andy and others don’t understand my posts, they follow the scientific methodology I learned taking chemistry at Purdue. This post is my hypothesis. I will look forward to collecting data. I’ll then form a conclusion. I’ll then provide an error paragraph to either indicate why I was wrong or to validate my hypothesis.

Will Gillis play in the pros? My hypothesis and big says no. Will he continue to start the entire season at Duke or will one of their young freshmen take over? I believe the hope at Duke is one of their freshmen will take over and Gillis will become a mentor and a 6th man. Like Burgess, Catchings, Sisley, we’ll see how it works out.

Will Cox or West or Benton become a star or starter at Purdue. I admit I don’t really know. I do know that if they do, that means some one else that others here like won’t become a star. If Cox or West becomes a star that means Harris and Myles won’t be. You never know what the future may bring. However, I deal with the givens. There are only 5 starters. If your favorite player starts, that means someone else doesn’t. I see a lot of people here like Harris and Myles. If West claims that starting role, will you admit Myles and Harris were not as awesome as you claimed they would be?

That’s a huge problem on this forum. Nobody ever comes here and talks about a player who was highly hyped but failed!