Yes according to his NCSA recruiting profile he lists himself at 19 years old now. Not sure when his birthday is but assume he is nearing 20. What Senior in HS is already 19 in the fall of his senior year?
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Yeah... no wonder he’s putting up numbers.. he’s a year older than Karlaftis and apparently he’s already in the pipe fitters Union lol
good lord, I hope not.
Danny was a 3-star with 3 offers... 2 mid-majors and Purdue.
Either way, a ridiculously ignorant comparison.
To old to play collage football,but old football players play in the pro`s like Brady,and someone for the Saints who played for Purdue.
Your post makes no sense. I was stating that not many HS players are 19 during their senior year, much less the fall of their senior year. He’s already a year older than Karlaftis and older than some of our Redshirt Freshmen. Looking at birthdays on the roster one of our RS Freshman was 17 when he came to Purdue last year. This kid will be damn near 20 when he goes to college. No wonder he’s dominating.
(Sarcastically)
Surely are not saying 2 years of strength training and development vs the competition can make a difference.
I have been following this thread off and on (for amusement purposes only) for some time now, but there are a couple of pertinent issues that seem not to have come to the fore in the discussion thus far.
At the outset let me say that I have never seen Mr. Spegal play, and don't really have much interest in his particular case. My observations go to issues more general than this particular instance.
First, consider why Alabama, or Clemson, or … hasn't offered this young man a scholarship. The answer is because they believe they have more talented prospects in their sights. The same is true of Purdue, IU-Bloomington, and on down the line. If the number of scholarships is limited, then you'd better allocate them wisely.
Second, the issue that has been the focus of discussion appears to be Mr. Spegal's speed. As Greg Doyel said in his column in Sunday's Nap-Town Star, the reason that he has garnered little scholarship interest is that "Other schools in Indiana, and elsewhere, believe that Spegal is too slow."
It appears, however, that there is an important attribute that has not been given its due in this discussion. I have to ask his proponents, and those who have seen him play, about Mr. Spegal's elusiveness.
Let me provide some Purdue-related context for my question: Those of you who have been around awhile will remember Jimmy Smith and Mel Gray. Now, I will assert (lacking the relevant data) that both of these players was considerably faster than Mr. Spegal, but that is beside the point. In the case of Jimmy Smith, he was, I believe, the Illinois Player of the Year before coming to Purdue. Blazing speed. My memory is that he returned the season-opening kickoff against Stanford for a touchdown in 1981. Played three years at Purdue, gained 1,466 yards on 360 carries (final year: 540 yards on 152 attempts; 3.55 ypc), and finished his career at Elon College. Bounced around in the NFL and finished with career totals of 7 carries for 13 yards. Blazing speed; no elusiveness.
Now, Mel Gray: In 1982, the year after Jimmy Smith departed, Gray had 916 yards on 195 carries (4.7 ypc) and in 1983 he had 844 yards on 190 carries (4.5 ypc). Gray, of course, went on to be one of the greatest kick returners in the history of the NFL. Great speed, but even greater ELUSIVENESS. Opponents couldn't tackle him in a telephone booth.
My question, then, goes to Mr. Spegal's elusiveness. There is a telltale hint in Doyel's Sunday article: "Spegal is looking for someone to hit." Maybe coaches with limited scholarships to offer are looking for something other than that in their running back recruits.
At the outset let me say that I have never seen Mr. Spegal play, and don't really have much interest in his particular case. My observations go to issues more general than this particular instance.
First, consider why Alabama, or Clemson, or … hasn't offered this young man a scholarship. The answer is because they believe they have more talented prospects in their sights. The same is true of Purdue, IU-Bloomington, and on down the line. If the number of scholarships is limited, then you'd better allocate them wisely.
Second, the issue that has been the focus of discussion appears to be Mr. Spegal's speed. As Greg Doyel said in his column in Sunday's Nap-Town Star, the reason that he has garnered little scholarship interest is that "Other schools in Indiana, and elsewhere, believe that Spegal is too slow."
It appears, however, that there is an important attribute that has not been given its due in this discussion. I have to ask his proponents, and those who have seen him play, about Mr. Spegal's elusiveness.
Let me provide some Purdue-related context for my question: Those of you who have been around awhile will remember Jimmy Smith and Mel Gray. Now, I will assert (lacking the relevant data) that both of these players was considerably faster than Mr. Spegal, but that is beside the point. In the case of Jimmy Smith, he was, I believe, the Illinois Player of the Year before coming to Purdue. Blazing speed. My memory is that he returned the season-opening kickoff against Stanford for a touchdown in 1981. Played three years at Purdue, gained 1,466 yards on 360 carries (final year: 540 yards on 152 attempts; 3.55 ypc), and finished his career at Elon College. Bounced around in the NFL and finished with career totals of 7 carries for 13 yards. Blazing speed; no elusiveness.
Now, Mel Gray: In 1982, the year after Jimmy Smith departed, Gray had 916 yards on 195 carries (4.7 ypc) and in 1983 he had 844 yards on 190 carries (4.5 ypc). Gray, of course, went on to be one of the greatest kick returners in the history of the NFL. Great speed, but even greater ELUSIVENESS. Opponents couldn't tackle him in a telephone booth.
My question, then, goes to Mr. Spegal's elusiveness. There is a telltale hint in Doyel's Sunday article: "Spegal is looking for someone to hit." Maybe coaches with limited scholarships to offer are looking for something other than that in their running back recruits.
Spegal is not particularly shifty. His real strength is going north/south, almost never getting tackled by one defender, and then pumping his legs, falling forward, and picking up extra yards. Look up his long TD against Decatur Central in the title game last year.
He is quicker to hit the hole than Horvath, if we are comparing him to fullbacks.
He is 19, but in fairness he put up great numbers at Delta in his freshman and sophomore years.
Your point about his talent when he was "typical" HS age is quite valid.
On the other hand, you make an interesting comparison. I'm assuming you're comparing Horvath high school to Spegal high school?
Otherwise, it's impossible to compare Horvath playing against college D, vis-a-vis Spegal playing against high school D.
I hope you're comparing apples to apples, not apples to iPhones.
Edit: what's more, if you're comparing Horvath to Spegal, that won't sit well with the pro Spegal crowd. Many, many fans have argued Horvath should not have a RB role with this Purdue team.
So he will be damn near 20 entering freshman year in college. No wonder he is dominating. I just looked at a few birthdays on our roster and he is older than some of our redshirt freshman. I looked in alphabetical order in our redshirt freshman on the roster and Payne Durham has played 2 seasons for us and isn’t 19 yet.
Not talking about after contact. Just the time it takes for them to get TO the hole. Horvath just takes longer to get going. (He’s a lot taller, so it makes sense) In other words, if they were to race in a 10 yard sprint, Charlie would win. Horvath might very well win a 40 yard sprint, I don’t know.
I did. You said he had good younger years at Delta. But... its all relevant, when he was younger, the opponents he was playing against were still the same amount younger than they are now. He’s 19 playing 17 years old now. Was 17 playing against 15 year olds then.
Aside from the fact yours is a subjective statement, they're still not comparable. Totally different talent on offense & defense, totally different offensive approaches (assignments, reads, coaches, etc.). Intellectually, you just cannot compare the two. But, I get what you're doing (what your point is). It just doesn't work.
Good points. One appears quicker to the hole because it's in high school, with a more dominant line versus the competition. Saw Horvath(just one game) in high school and thought he'd be a good walk-on utility type, which is what he ended up doing. I figured at the time it was about 50/50 that he'd end up a LB at Purdue.
It’s not really subjective. One of the 2 has better short area quickness, and it is Charlie. But I obviously can’t prove that to you at this point. Maybe if they both end up getting invited to the combine someday.
No he wasn’t. He was playing Varsity as a freshman. That’s the only way to set the career rushing record.
Oh I get it. You are right in that. So he was the same age or close to same age as his competition then? Makes sense. He was 15/16 and was playing against 16/17. In the real world that’s very common playing against kids pretty close in age. But not 2-3 years older like he possibly is now. Like I said, he is already older than a kid/kids on our team who have played 2 years of Big 10 football. He should be dominating. For the record, I don’t have a dog in this fight, you obviously do.
Of course it's subjective. You say he's "quicker", but there's no measurement, just your observation.
Additionally, at the HS level Spegal is coached to hit the assigned hole. With his talent, if the hole isn't there, he's going to make one and still gain yardage.
it's a vastly different game once the players leave HS. I hope that makes sense.
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I still can't believe this continues to be a thing on this forum... that we're having these posts about a 2-star high school FULLBACK.
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He needs a chance,can always transfer. I`m sure his coach has something to do with where he plays football next year.
So do what Horvath did(and Armour is doing). If he wants to come to Purdue, walk on and try to earn a scholarship.
New Pal’s line did not dominate CG or Cathedral, but Charlie still piled up yards.
it’s not subjective. The NFL measures this type of explosiveness and quickness every year in the 10 yard dash and the cone drill. Heck you can measure it by running lines on a basketball court.
I have seen both of them play quite a few times in person and Charlie is more explosive. He has a burst. Horvath doesn’t. It’s easy to see, even on film.
And once again, I don’t know Charlie or his family and I don’t think he is a fit for Purdue.
The age difference is mitigated somewhat by the fact New Pal is playing up in the tournament.
And I don’t have a dog in this fight either. Don’t know Charlie or his family. Don’t think he would be a great fit here either.
No. Age is a real number. It’s not variable based on what division you play.
My point is, in the tournament he’s playing against bigger, stronger kids, drawn from a much bigger talent pool. I take it you didn’t see the Cathedral or CG games.
I take it you don’t realize he’s still older than them by 2 years. Bodies mature a lot in 2 years.
and again, I take it you didn’t see the bigger, stronger players on the CG and Cathedral defenses he was running against. Cathedrals NG had to be 6’-3” and 320 lbs. CG has a couple D1 monsters up front also.
Ok you win. Being 2/3 years older than most of the kids he is playing against, actually older than some of our Redshirt Freshman, has ZERO impact on his success . You win. He will most likely win the Harlin Hill Trophy next year, which is the D2 version of the Heisman. You win.
Fair enough.
What are Spegal's HS measurements compared to Horvath's HS measurements? That is objective. A non-measurement statement (like yours) is subjective. So far your observation is subjective, but (as always) I can be persuaded.
I get where you are.
If you're comparing what you see of Spegal in HS vs what you see of Horvath in college, it's irrelevant. You can continue to try to make the comparison, but it just doesn't wash. It doesn't matter if you know the family, don't know the family, you're his brother, his agent, or none of the above. It's a non-sequitur.
it’s like arguing who’s quicker: Carsen or Romeo. Obviously it’s Carsen, but I can’t “prove” it. If you watch film, it’s just obvious. A quick first step, aka Explosiveness, or lack thereof, is easy to see.
I do also happen to think Charlie will break more tackles at the college level than Horvath, but that is truly 100% subjective.
Quit being absurd. You implied being older meant he was bigger and stronger than the opposition, and there have been some games where he just wasn’t. More importantly, neither was his O-line.
I'm not arguing anything.
I don't understand why you would argue it wasn't subjective. It's subject to your observation. That's (literally) the definition of subjective.
(This is where this forum goes off the rails.)
You're trying to argue stuff that just becomes absurd.
Spegal hits a hole for his NewPal HS team quicker than you think Horvath hits a hole for his Purdue P5 CFB team. (no measurement)
Many fans don't think Horvath should be playing for P5 Purdue, yet that's your comparison.
(This is where this forum goes off the rails.)
All this over a 24/7 2-star fullback....
Again- for hopefully the last time, quickness is measurable. I just don’t have those metrics in hand at this point in time. Just as I don’t have metrics that prove Carsen is quicker than Romeo. Anyone who has seen the 2 in person would agree with me that one is quicker than the other.
If you don’t think that being 2/3 years older is a definite advantage, regardless of all the other variables, I can’t help you. Do you know how more mature a kids body is that is 2/3 years older than another kid.
I get all that. It would have to be measured, and not your subjective judgement. Not only that, you cannot objectively time one person in one situation with another in a totally different. It's just silly to make that claim. Please don't do that.
... and the "anyone would agree with me" argument is pointless. It doesn't aid your case.
This entire thread has become pointless.
Again.
Here’s where I ultimately get to on this subject. You’re in love with the kid and think he is a P5 kid. I don’t. That doesn’t mean I don’t like him. The real story here is that you and I don’t do this for a living. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 60 Power 5 Head coaches do, and throw in their assistant coaches and that number goes to 1000 probably. So all 1000 ARENT seeing what you are seeing and ARE seeing what I am seeing. We can leave it there.
2/3 of a year doesn’t make you quick. Charlie runs a 4.53 sec 40 as reported by his coach Kyle Ralph.
He’ll likely end up at I.U. when this is all said and done. For everyone that is a naysayer, there are those of us that believe he is a Quality RB. Enough said on my end for now.
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