That's very possible. I thought you had meant last season. If the new DC subs out guys as much as Wommack did, he CERTAINLY would've played this season. Looks like he's got a good chance to get meaningful reps at PU too.
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No no .. I don’t know who they will be as players when they leave.. and I’m definitely never saying they are meh people.. I don’t know them. Im strictly talking about what’s been established so far
The issue is if we're still in a development season in year 5 and recruiting is starting to decline again, it doesn't inspire much confidence that this program is on the rise...
At this point, we cant sell early PT anymore. I expect recruiting to look much like it does now until there is a major breakthrough. Lots of 3 stars and 1 or 2 4 stars every year.
Which is partially to be expected based on how early recruiting went. Should be looking up now.
Not a sarcastic question, as I'm trying to better understand this program, but when do you expect we'll see a major breakthrough? Year 6? Year 7? I guess I'm not patient enough if we're looking at a 7 or 8 year program development. I think most casual fans are going to struggle with a turnaround taking that long.
The problem I have is this.. yes.. you recruited at a high level … but
1) 80% skill players
2) the retention has not been great
3) the development hasn’t been great
BUT they play the games for a reason. My hope is that come November we are all talking about how brohm had a resurgence
I dont think we will see one until we get better QB play. Pieces are in place now, just dont have a signal caller to help us take the next step. Alaimo might be that guy. Allen might be that guy. Brohm may have to chase a transfer in the off season.
Next year.. if I’m a coach who isn’t going to get fired even if I go 3-9.. I start getting everyone ready for a weak 2022 schedule. Yes I wasn’t to win games in 2022 if I’m brohm but I NEED to know how many DTs can play in 2022, DEs, RBs etc .. what I need out of the portal. And I want to come out with no glaring weaknesses to start 2022
If he hasn’t replaced David Blough by next year we have way bigger problems
I disagree on point 3. Are you talking about player retention? No one of significance has left. Coach retention? Different story. 80% skill players from what you've noticed because they are more likely to play as underclassmen. Purdue had two honorable mention underclassmen OLman last year.
Joe tiller did it in year one. Hazell was terrible. No one is bad enough to justify a 6 year turnaround.
you look at David bell, karlaftis and some of the players we have and if we just had a bunch of guys who were 5.5 guys who worked out and were solid players.. it probably would have happened by now.
You think development has been great? Really? Lol
yes I’m talking about retention. Give brohm and pat Fitzgerald 85 scholarships and four years and you tell me Fitzgerald is sitting there with Alexander horvath, a still unproven king doerue who has shown flashes, and … and .. and..
Idk what Tiller inherited, but I think it's been mentioned that the team was recruiting well before him. Brohm didn't have a team full of 5.5 guys. He had a team full of 5.2 guys.
I don't think it's been horrible. I can point to a lot of players that have improved under Brohm.
Again. You talk about retention. Who has Purdue lost that they are going to miss? What's wrong with Zander as a starting RB?
Edit: do you think most big ten teams have a retention problem?
You think retention is just when you lose Justin fields??
no…. It’s when you brought in 11 guys who were either overrated, not hard workers or whatever else.. they’re gone, you’re hoping deen and Johnson can be something and Fitzgerald walked into the beginning of spring ball with six guys he knows can play well at that position…
and you have rondale moore and they don’t care and still win
How many safeties or corners do we have that have consistently been good in the big ten? In year 5 the answer is one each. Want me to go to the Iowa board, not tell them why I’m asking, then ask them how many players at each position have shown they can play big ten football?
THe comparison to Tiller is flawed. Recruiting has changed significantly since then. In the 90s, coaches didnt recruit the class until after the season. Now, the class is mostly full by opening kickoff.
Frankly, i think the comparison to Kevin Wilson at IU is probably a better one. He took over a massive dumpster fire and it too him 6 years to bring the team to a point where they werent putrid. I think that is where Brohm is. Wilson was just much better at evaluating QB talent and then coaching it.
Ok but tiller did it in year 1, this is 5! It would be beyond stupid if I was expecting it in year 1 or 2…. It’s year FIVE lol. And still “but Darrell hazell is why we don’t have running backs besides horvath and doerue.” Come on man..
How many QBs has brohm brought in in 4 years? How many are ready to play as well as median David Blough? Exactly
I thought we were talking about years past.... which, we were. I've been very open about saying your will start to see a step forward this year now that we have depth and experience. Saw it a little last year.
Corner. Sure. Thats been tough. Safeties? You are fooling yourself if you say we only have 1 big ten safety.
Where did anyone blame Hazell for year 5? As mentioned by Nat, the Tiller comparison isn't the greatest and Wilson is better.
There has been some bad luck at RB.
What about QB? They are typically better as upperclassmen. You agree?
Oh I thought you were saying it grants a pass for next year and the year after… yes most definitely it explains the last two years to an extent
Colletto rebuilt the dumpster fire Akers left behind. Tiller had a better situtation.
Brohm should have a better QB by now. Ive said so several times.
5-1.. again, it’s not you I think is on a much different page ..
I won’t want brohm fired no matter how this year goes, but if it goes south I already know hazells name will come out
I'm meh on Brohm (especially with in-game coaching decisions), but I do think he's had some horrible injury luck that has trickled down to hurting any chance of recruiting more 4 star type of talent and really deflated things. With the injuries alone, Bill Belicheck wouldn't be winning games at Purdue. He's also had some horrible referee luck as well as horribly-timed late game personal foul penalties that have cost him several important games.
I think at a school like Purdue, unless a coach is absolutely just horrible, I think you have to give him a longer leash to develop some continuity. Frank Beamer had a horrible record at Va Tech through 6 seasons (only won 2 games in year 6). But then broke through with 9 wins in year 7 after building the foundation...and the rest is history.
I do think that Brohm might have finally learned after last season that you have to win with Defense in the BIG10...and we saw him hit the portal hard.
I think we all know that this year will probably be another mediocre year because of how difficult the schedule is. But I would like to see if he truly has learned that you don't win in the BIG10 with just flashy offense and if his philosophy improves. I think he deserves more time because of all the injuries and because I do think the Rutgers game last year probably changed his mindset a bit.
I think at a school like Purdue, unless a coach is absolutely just horrible, I think you have to give him a longer leash to develop some continuity. Frank Beamer had a horrible record at Va Tech through 6 seasons (only won 2 games in year 6). But then broke through with 9 wins in year 7 after building the foundation...and the rest is history.
I do think that Brohm might have finally learned after last season that you have to win with Defense in the BIG10...and we saw him hit the portal hard.
I think we all know that this year will probably be another mediocre year because of how difficult the schedule is. But I would like to see if he truly has learned that you don't win in the BIG10 with just flashy offense and if his philosophy improves. I think he deserves more time because of all the injuries and because I do think the Rutgers game last year probably changed his mindset a bit.
It can't at this point. But it can be said when talking about why it's a 5-6 year rebuild.
Ok so you’re saying 5-6 right.. so, to me that means that you’re saying that really good coaches out there would have 85 scholarships for four years and the known quantities at RB, CB and S would be Horvath, doerue, trice and allen?
you think pat Fitzgerald would only have that as established quality players at this point? Really?
they strive to be middle of the pack. You know what a middle of the pack gets a team like purdue?
Tiller not only inherited some acceptable talent, but he brought in a staff from his previous location that were outstanding assistant coaches. We lost many of those coaches to higher positions at other schools as time went on. Brohm was not so lucky with his initial staff. His early success lead to the retention of assistant coaches that were not up to the caliber needed to sustain success and build quickly. We are now seeing turn over in that area that will do what is needed. I expect we will see results we like in a couple years.
Those are really the only 4 players you can name and call quality? Or just those positions? Why you keep ignoring Grant at safety? What's wrong with Horvath at RB?
Again, if I expected 9-3 in year one, great. If I want us to be competent in year 5? I believe tiller would already have us there were he in brohms shoes. Probably sooner
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