Shooting % thru 5 games

[hunkgolden]

A few items of note - Davis shooting .462 from 3 is huge; Edwards and Mathias have both hit 50% of their 3 pointers; the overall shooting %'s are really good. Only area of concern - our supposed best shooter (who doesn't really bring much else to the table) has the worst overall shooting % and free throw % on the team - and he really isn't close to the next worst player. He is also close to having the worst 3 point shooting % on the team. Other than that, we are an incredibly efficient offensive team that always seems to make the extra pass to the open player and doesn't take bad shots.

Player FG% FT% 3P%
Isaac Haas 0.767 0.714 0
Rapheal Davis 0.538 0.909 0.462
A.J. Hammons 0.609 0.8 1
Vince Edwards 0.576 0.8 0.5
Caleb Swanigan 0.429 0.588 0.333
Kendall Stephens 0.381 0.429 0.368
P.J. Thompson 0.45 0.786 0.357
Dakota Mathias 0.476 1 0.5
Ryan Cline 0.4 0.5 0 .471
Johnny Hill 0.636 0.75 0

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

oh look! a dog on KS thread! how novel! you are brilliant!

 

[lbodel]

A few items of note - Davis shooting .462 from 3 is huge; Edwards and Mathias have both hit 50% of their 3 pointers; the overall shooting %'s are really good. Only area of concern - our supposed best shooter (who doesn't really bring much else to the table) has the worst overall shooting % and free throw % on the team - and he really isn't close to the next worst player. He is also close to having the worst 3 point shooting % on the team. Other than that, we are an incredibly efficient offensive team that always seems to make the extra pass to the open player and doesn't take bad shots.

Player FG% FT% 3P%
Isaac Haas 0.767 0.714 0
Rapheal Davis 0.538 0.909 0.462
A.J. Hammons 0.609 0.8 1
Vince Edwards 0.576 0.8 0.5
Caleb Swanigan 0.429 0.588 0.333
Kendall Stephens 0.381 0.429 0.368
P.J. Thompson 0.45 0.786 0.357
Dakota Mathias 0.476 1 0.5
Ryan Cline 0.4 0.5 0 .471
Johnny Hill 0.636 0.75 0

Looking at stats right now is pretty pointless. Going into the game, Kendall Stephens was shooting 46% and was shooting 44% from 3 on 32 attempts. That's legit. Obviously one game changed that - and to compare it to a Raphael Davis who had attempted 10 on the season. Also, going into yesterday, he had 6 free throw attempts. To complain about someone's free throw % after 6 attempts is a bit weak - especially when a guy like Raphael had shot 3 free throws going into yesterday (interesting you call out Stephens for only being able to shoot 3s and he has attempted more free throws than several others on the team) . It's like QB rating and how they only count it after so much playing time.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Good data, thanks! --- more games would add reliability or accuracy to it.

 

[hunkgolden]

Good data, thanks! --- more games would add reliability or accuracy to it.

No problem - it is a small sample size but does represent roughly 15% of the team's games this season. Let's just hope the positives continue and the areas where the team can improve do in fact improve.

 

[StateStreet123]

KS will be fine. Didnt have it last night. But quickly turned the ODU game into a blowout. And if he doesnt 'have it' we have others to rotate in to hit shots.

My biggest concern? Biggie's turnovers. Love the kid and want him to succeed! But I think we <fanbase> have put a HUGE expectation on his shoulders and clearly Painter expects alot too, based on the minutes played. Biggie's turnovers have led to many points for the wrong team and killed momentum more than once. Enough for me to be concerned. He is learning what he can do in the post right now. Several dribbles or holding ball too long have led to most turnovers. As for the rest of his game......love it. And once he gets the offensive post figured out,,,,,look out! JJ didnt have any real post moves as a frosh. Hammons was a big work in progress at that point in his career too. Heck, I think Haas was more polished as a frosh than JJ or Hammons. So Biggie WILL figure it out. And when he does.......Boiler up!

 

[BoilerDaddy]

KS will be fine. Didnt have it last night. But quickly turned the ODU game into a blowout. And if he doesnt 'have it' we have others to rotate in to hit shots.

My biggest concern? Biggie's turnovers. Love the kid and want him to succeed! But I think we <fanbase> have put a HUGE expectation on his shoulders and clearly Painter expects alot too, based on the minutes played. Biggie's turnovers have led to many points for the wrong team and killed momentum more than once. Enough for me to be concerned. He is learning what he can do in the post right now. Several dribbles or holding ball too long have led to most turnovers. As for the rest of his game......love it. And once he gets the offensive post figured out,,,,,look out! JJ didnt have any real post moves as a frosh. Hammons was a big work in progress at that point in his career too. Heck, I think Haas was more polished as a frosh than JJ or Hammons. So Biggie WILL figure it out. And when he does.......Boiler up!

His turnover issues look much more easily correctable than the issues that Hammons and Haas had when they came in. Swanigan just needs to keep it simple and make the easy play and he should be fine.

 

[lbodel]

KS will be fine. Didnt have it last night. But quickly turned the ODU game into a blowout. And if he doesnt 'have it' we have others to rotate in to hit shots.

My biggest concern? Biggie's turnovers. Love the kid and want him to succeed! But I think we <fanbase> have put a HUGE expectation on his shoulders and clearly Painter expects alot too, based on the minutes played. Biggie's turnovers have led to many points for the wrong team and killed momentum more than once. Enough for me to be concerned. He is learning what he can do in the post right now. Several dribbles or holding ball too long have led to most turnovers. As for the rest of his game......love it. And once he gets the offensive post figured out,,,,,look out! JJ didnt have any real post moves as a frosh. Hammons was a big work in progress at that point in his career too. Heck, I think Haas was more polished as a frosh than JJ or Hammons. So Biggie WILL figure it out. And when he does.......Boiler up!

I have had the same thought about Swanigan and his turnovers. However, I think particularly as a freshman, he is going to start out like that (freshman big guy). Will Painter be ok with it if it's happening still in February? Probably not. But right now it is probably to be expected and an easy thing to point out when reviewing film. Hammons really had turnover issues until middle of last year.

 

[purdue4sure]

No problem - it is a small sample size but does represent roughly 15% of the team's games this season. Let's just hope the positives continue and the areas where the team can improve do in fact improve.

Davis and Hammons looked much better as the season progressed than they did at the 5-game point last year. I'm not too concerned that this one game is a trend for Stephens.

 

[sixpackpete]

My biggest concern? Biggie's turnovers. Love the kid and want him to succeed! But I think we <fanbase> have put a HUGE expectation on his shoulders and clearly Painter expects alot too, based on the minutes played. Biggie's turnovers have led to many points for the wrong team and killed momentum more than once. Enough for me to be concerned. He is learning what he can do in the post right now. Several dribbles or holding ball too long have led to most turnovers. As for the rest of his game......love it. And once he gets the offensive post figured out,,,,,look out! JJ didnt have any real post moves as a frosh. Hammons was a big work in progress at that point in his career too. Heck, I think Haas was more polished as a frosh than JJ or Hammons. So Biggie WILL figure it out. And when he does.......Boiler up!

One more slight beef and I would rather he is at this extreme than the other and that is that he is occasionally TOO aggressive on the boards. That is fixable but we have lost a couple of rebounds due to him fighting one f his teammates for the ball AND perhaps the biggest thing is with his speed if he makes a quicker read to see that a teammate has the rebound he can lead out on a possible fast break.

I cannot wait to see him sneak out on the break and get hit with the lead pass and slam it home alone or over a defender (especially with the circle moved out another foot.) BBBRRRRRRR!!! that just makes me shudder thinking about it.

 

[boilerpt]

The frustrating thing for me about KS is that he is still one dimensional. He's in his 3rd season. It would be nice to see him develop another aspect on the offensive side of the floor. If he's not on, he's got nothing to fall back on or get him going.

 

[skfboiler]

The frustrating thing for me about KS is that he is still one dimensional. He's in his 3rd season. It would be nice to see him develop another aspect on the offensive side of the floor. If he's not on, he's got nothing to fall back on or get him going.

I agree. All he does is shoot jump shots. If he can develop a game that allows him to take a defender off the dribble to the rack will be nice. With his height, it will be nice to see him get mean, drive to the hoop and dunk on somebody.

 

[hunkgolden]

Thru 7 games said player is now shooting 30% from 3; 31% overall; 44% from the free throw line; and has now taken more shots than anyone else on the team. It hasn't cost us a game yet but if these #'s continue it surely will. You simply can't have the person who takes the most shots on the team shooting this poorly.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

C'mon Hunk,

Look.....you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and this isn't meant to convey the message someone can't be critical or criticize the play on the floor.......but at some point.......I don't know when that point is......but it seems it's getting pretty near (at least to me)......it's starting to be "piling on." We all know KS is struggling with his outside shot.......I'm sure he and CMP would be the first two to admit that and want it to change. The FT% suggests to me he is pressing and it's a confidence issue, which may be preventing him from being entirely focused on what needs to be done. The effort (at least to me) is there......he's one of the best post feeders, and his defense has improved.

He's still a threat on the floor that the defense has to respect.....at least for now. If this were later in the season.....maybe that would be different. We all have our differing views of CMP.....good.....and bad in certain areas, but I think most of us on this board would agree that he is a straight shooter and fair with how he treats all of the players. If CMP didn't think he should be on the floor, he wouldn't be on the floor. I understand people may disagree, and that's fine......I just don't think it's right or fair to denigrate a scholarship athlete who is still a valuable member of the TEAM in such a fashion. JMHO

It seems each year, someone or some thing is a "lightning" rod, and it looks like KS is it this year. I just hate to see the "call-out" threads (which I thought were against board policy) or the ad nauseam points without giving any credence to other things going on, which I understand may or may not be relevant for a particular poster. But, it will result in what's happening with KS related threads......a lot of in-fighting from both sides of the issue. Be critical.....sure.....I think most understand that and can appreciate it even if they disagree.

And I agree, that Purdue is going to need KS to knock down clutch shots if the Boilers want to get to where no Purdue team has been for a while, or heaven forbid, beyond that.

It's not my place to censor, police, or otherwise tell people what to post, when to post, or how to post. Lord knows, there's probably plenty of people who can't stand some of my posts for whatever reason. I'm just expressing that I don't like to see any Purdue player get exposed to this extent. Maybe I'm just overreacting, which is a shame after such a nice win last night, especially without having Ray Davis in the line-up. This just struck a final nerve, and it's certainly not just you or your post.

Thanks for posting those stats, I found those interesting.

I appreciate that you express your opinion, but my last thought on this is maybe reconsider how far down that road you want to go.......

 

[mathboy]

I agree. All he does is shoot jump shots. If he can develop a game that allows him to take a defender off the dribble to the rack will be nice. With his height, it will be nice to see him get mean, drive to the hoop and dunk on somebody.

Stating that "All he does is shoot jump shots" is probably inaccurate.
I think I understand what you are attempting to say, that Stephens only attempts shots that are 3-pt shots. He doesn't drive to the hoop or attempt fade-aways, etc. However, he does a lot more than shoot jump shots. He plays a complete game, including very good passing, great defense, and in many cases, being a great decoy. He didn't have his shot last night, but he will hit them in other games.

 

[mathboy]

Thru 7 games said player is now shooting 30% from 3; 31% overall; 44% from the free throw line; and has now taken more shots than anyone else on the team. It hasn't cost us a game yet but if these #'s continue it surely will. You simply can't have the person who takes the most shots on the team shooting this poorly.

I've been on this board long enough to see a pattern here. Hunk, I often appreciate your opinions, but you have a bad habit of deciding who is the weakest player (In your opinion) on the team and really dogging him on these boards. I think you have 3-4 posts on Stephens and how he is not doing very well. I have councilled against this before. This is a team game, and you have to understand how each of the peices fit together. In your criticism, you tend to separate each player and veiw them as individuals.

Sometimes an opposing coach decides to take away a certain weapon from our offense. Stephens was often double teamed on the perimeter, but you could tell that Painter wanted him to shoot anyway, just to drive Pitt out of their very effective zone defense. As soon as Pitt went back to man-to-man, it was all over.

 

[chaspark]

It's a shame that people keep bashing on Kendall on this board, especially at an engineering school like Purdue! Let's do some math,shall we?

Say a player shoots only 2 pointer in games at 50%, which is still pretty good. If he takes 6 shots, that means he gets 3 in, or 2x3=6 points.

Then another player shoots only 3 pointers in games at 33%, which, seemingly lot on board have forgotten, is still decent for a 3 FG%. Only renowned 3 pointer specialists shoots around 40%. Anyway, if he shoots 6 shots thus gets only 2 in, it's still 3x2=6 points, or the same points as the previous guy for the same number of shots taken.

Also, in a team sports like basketball, and especially for a team like Purdue with the strong frontcourt guys ready to rebound, 3 point shots have many added perks. It stretches the court, leaving more room for the center and forwards. It makes more variety in strategy. It can break up the opponents' defense. There are more value to guys like Kendall as long as he shoots above 33%. You can't nag on him because he isn't shooting like Stephen Curry. This is Purdue in NCAA, not GSW in NBA.

Would I be happier if KS shoots better? Of course! Will I be upset because of the current slump? Definitely NOT.

 

[purdue4sure]

The frustrating thing for me about KS is that he is still one dimensional. He's in his 3rd season. It would be nice to see him develop another aspect on the offensive side of the floor. If he's not on, he's got nothing to fall back on or get him going.

Assists. Are assists made on the "offensive side of the floor"? I did not realize that assists were defensive plays. Hmm. Maybe I should watch the games more closely.

 

[gd4now]

As I said in another post, this team (PU) plays more team ball than anyone else I have seen to date. Not saying there are not others that play as a better team, just that I have not currently seen it.

 

[Dakota Girl]

Assists. Are assists made on the "offensive side of the floor"? I did not realize that assists were defensive plays. Hmm. Maybe I should watch the games more closely.

Defensive assists are what the Hoosiers produce on 23% of their possessions.

 

[IndyBoilers2000]

The glaring stat is Biggies turnovers at 24....when that gets cleaned up thats an extra 2-3 possessions per game. Not hating on the Frosh, but probably expected as he adjusts to this level of play.

 

[atmafola]

C'mon Hunk,

Look.....you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and this isn't meant to convey the message someone can't be critical or criticize the play on the floor.......but at some point.......I don't know when that point is......but it seems it's getting pretty near (at least to me)......it's starting to be "piling on." We all know KS is struggling with his outside shot.......I'm sure he and CMP would be the first two to admit that and want it to change. The FT% suggests to me he is pressing and it's a confidence issue, which may be preventing him from being entirely focused on what needs to be done. The effort (at least to me) is there......he's one of the best post feeders, and his defense has improved.

He's still a threat on the floor that the defense has to respect.....at least for now. If this were later in the season.....maybe that would be different. We all have our differing views of CMP.....good.....and bad in certain areas, but I think most of us on this board would agree that he is a straight shooter and fair with how he treats all of the players. If CMP didn't think he should be on the floor, he wouldn't be on the floor. I understand people may disagree, and that's fine......I just don't think it's right or fair to denigrate a scholarship athlete who is still a valuable member of the TEAM in such a fashion. JMHO

It seems each year, someone or some thing is a "lightning" rod, and it looks like KS is it this year. I just hate to see the "call-out" threads (which I thought were against board policy) or the ad nauseam points without giving any credence to other things going on, which I understand may or may not be relevant for a particular poster. But, it will result in what's happening with KS related threads......a lot of in-fighting from both sides of the issue. Be critical.....sure.....I think most understand that and can appreciate it even if they disagree.

And I agree, that Purdue is going to need KS to knock down clutch shots if the Boilers want to get to where no Purdue team has been for a while, or heaven forbid, beyond that.

It's not my place to censor, police, or otherwise tell people what to post, when to post, or how to post. Lord knows, there's probably plenty of people who can't stand some of my posts for whatever reason. I'm just expressing that I don't like to see any Purdue player get exposed to this extent. Maybe I'm just overreacting, which is a shame after such a nice win last night, especially without having Ray Davis in the line-up. This just struck a final nerve, and it's certainly not just you or your post.

Thanks for posting those stats, I found those interesting.

I appreciate that you express your opinion, but my last thought on this is maybe reconsider how far down that road you want to go.......

I don't know about you but I don't want "heaven forbidding" us from going all the way to tne NC. lol