Ranking

[FirstDownB]

Weekly "rankings don't matter, but what else is there to talk about" thread...

Not too many top 20 teams lost this week:
1. Villanova @Butler
7. W. Virginia @Texas Tech
9. Louisville @ND
11. Virginia @Pitt
13. Wisconsin @Purdue

Probably leap frog Wisconsin, possibly Virginia. My guess is #18.

Keep taking care of business and that Minny loss doesn't look so bad now.

 

[rgarlitz]

Ya, hopefully, Minnesota will enter the top-25.

I'll take Purdue at 17-20 now. I like when our guys fly under the radar a little bit.

 

[nagemj02]

They moved to #17 in the AP Poll. The Coaches Poll hasn't yet been released today.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

Boiler Up

 

[rgarlitz]

Looks about right to me.

BTW: 30% of Purdue's first 17 opponents (5 of 17) are in this week's Top 25. Not bad considering there are ~350 teams in Division 1.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Looks about right to me.

BTW: 30% of Purdue's first 17 opponents (5 of 17) are in this week's Top 25. Not bad considering there are ~350 teams in Division 1.

Purdue has played, thus far, a good schedule for their team this season. One that is challenging and brings enough film to practice to continue improvement without being too hard (MSU) or too easy (IU) to lead to problems. Good job by CMP this season finding a good balance.

 

[boilernuke]

They moved to #17 in the AP Poll. The Coaches Poll hasn't yet been released today.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

Boiler Up

Looks like Purdue played 5 ranked teams. Won 2 and lost 3. No losses to unranked teams. Still feel like Purdue should be ranked in the top 15 based on wins/losses, stats (like kenpom), and eye test. No big ten teams in top 15. Ouch.

 

[BoilerBiker]

Looks about right to me.

BTW: 30% of Purdue's first 17 opponents (5 of 17) are in this week's Top 25. Not bad considering there are ~350 teams in Division 1.

That will help come seeding time because having the big ten at 17, 18, 24 right now won't do us any favors.

decourcey mentioned last night about the likelihood of power conf teams (w/18 game league schedule) getting a top seed the last five years - big drop off from those having 15 to 14 league wins.

 

[rgarlitz]

To be fair, 6 of Purdue's first 17 opponents currently have RPIs at 195 or below. But I agree that, for the most part, this has been a good schedule. Would really like to see Auburn and ASU make some noise in their conferences.

 

[TC4THREE]

We really should cheer for Notre Dame to do well in the ACC because that win would go a long way if they finish in the top 3 of that conference. Currently they're 3-0 in the ACC but are about to start on a 3 game road trip that will go a long way into determining where they end up.

 

[TC4THREE]

To be fair, 6 of Purdue's first 17 opponents currently have RPIs at 195 or below. But I agree that, for the most part, this has been a good schedule. Would really like to see Auburn and ASU make some noise in their conferences.

Thought Auburn might make some noise once they got that one kid eligible but they've lost 3 in a row. It's the curse of Ronnie Johnson.

 

[FirstDownB]

Just noticed something: ZERO currently ranked opponents on the entire remaining regular season schedule (14 games). Who would have thought?

 

[rgarlitz]

FWIW -- I think Indiana will get back top-25. Just too much talent on that team.

That would give Purdue at least 2 more games against top-25 teams.

 

[TC4THREE]

FWIW -- I think Indiana will get back top-25. Just too much talent on that team.

That would give Purdue at least 2 more games against top-25 teams.

Was looking at IU schedule last night. They have to play at Maryland tomorrow. After that their schedule sets up favorably for a few weeks I think.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Looks like Purdue played 5 ranked teams. Won 2 and lost 3. No losses to unranked teams. Still feel like Purdue should be ranked in the top 15 based on wins/losses, stats (like kenpom), and eye test. No big ten teams in top 15. Ouch.

the espn hateraid is strong.

 

[DG10]

Weekly "rankings don't matter, but what else is there to talk about" thread...

Not too many top 20 teams lost this week:
1. Villanova @Butler
7. W. Virginia @Texas Tech
9. Louisville @ND
11. Virginia @Pitt
13. Wisconsin @Purdue

Probably leap frog Wisconsin, possibly Virginia. My guess is #18.

Keep taking care of business and that Minny loss doesn't look so bad now.

Seth Davis actually voted Wisconsin 8th on his ballot this week...makes sense, right? Then again, he voted Baylor 5th.

That is the problem with the polls...there are people like Davis that vote without any logic at all...and there are a number of others just like him.

Purdue would have been in the top 10 this week had they won the Minnesota game...if they continue to win, at some point, they will hopefully work their up that way again.

 

[DG10]

Was looking at IU schedule last night. They have to play at Maryland tomorrow. After that their schedule sets up favorably for a few weeks I think.

That said, it set up favorably the past few weeks also and they did not do anything with that.

They are talented...and deep...but, they have some issues certainly.

 

[nagemj02]

If they simply keep winning, things will work themselves out. I think the consistent concern about rankings, RPI, SOS, and potential seeding is much ado about very little. Yes, a team has better odds if they are a higher seed, but so what? The NCAA Tournament is still a single elimination tournament, so they're still going to have to win 6 games in a row. Purdue's had easy paths to continue advancing in the past (i.e. 2000 NCAA's) but they still got beat. I think seeding and all the metrics that make it what it is get over-emphasized and are considered more important than they really are. The bottom line is a team has to put together a 6 game winning streak to win the tournament. That will be a challenge no matter what seed a team has besides its name.

 

[Dryfly88]

If they simply keep winning, things will work themselves out. I think the consistent concern about rankings, RPI, SOS, and potential seeding is much ado about very little. Yes, a team has better odds if they are a higher seed, but so what? The NCAA Tournament is still a single elimination tournament, so they're still going to have to win 6 games in a row. Purdue's had easy paths to continue advancing in the past (i.e. 2000 NCAA's) but they still got beat. I think seeding and all the metrics that make it what it is get over-emphasized and are considered more important than they really are. The bottom line is a team has to put together a 6 game winning streak to win the tournament. That will be a challenge no matter what seed a team has besides its name.

I agree Nage that in a single elimination tournament anything can happen (as we know). But seeding does matter. Just in the first round alone there is a 15% win difference between a #4 seed and a #5. I want that 15% advantage for my team. On selection Sunday I won't lose my mind if we aren't a #4 or better, but I would sure be happy if we are!!

 

[Heller]

Seth Davis actually voted Wisconsin 8th on his ballot this week...makes sense, right? Then again, he voted Baylor 5th.

That is the problem with the polls...there are people like Davis that vote without any logic at all...and there are a number of others just like him.

Purdue would have been in the top 10 this week had they won the Minnesota game...if they continue to win, at some point, they will hopefully work their up that way again.

There are people like Davis who vote based on their agenda. Very few of the polls are more than a popularity contest. Look at Duke, they have a serial flagrant foul playing every game, and if you watch he does something dirty in every game he plays. But because he plays for Puke, he can gat away with it and the talking heads will all rationalize the behavior.

 

[DG10]

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There are people like Davis who vote based on their agenda. Very few of the polls are more than a popularity contest. Look at Duke, they have a serial flagrant foul playing every game, and if you watch he does something dirty in every game he plays. But because he plays for Puke, he can gat away with it and the talking heads will all rationalize the behavior.

I guess there is some solace at least in knowing that the polls have little, if anything, to do with seeding come tournament time.

As far as that goes though...it is further affirmation as to why the polls are not all that accurate, never mind fair.

With respect to Allen...could not agree more on the matter, and am appalled that he continues to play (and clown) and that it is allowed...not so much that Duke/Krzyzewski allow (condone?) it, but that the ACC does.

 

[FirstDownB]

#19 in the Coaches poll, two spots.. behind.. Wisconsin

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Boilermaker]

#19 in the Coaches poll, two spots.. behind.. Wisconsin

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

My guess is they saw a close loss on the road to a good Purdue team as a mediator, and hence only dropped Wisconsin a little. Not completely crazy. We win the Big10 and we will be ranked ahead of all other league teams.

 

[jadeezra]

My guess is they saw a close loss on the road to a good Purdue team as a mediator, and hence only dropped Wisconsin a little. Not completely crazy. We win the Big10 and we will be ranked ahead of all other league teams.

Close if not for that last second 3 it would have been a 14 point blow out

 

[Purdue0034]

In regards to the coaches poll, I am not pleased! How can anyone watch the game yesterday and rank Wisconsin ahead of us? I know we had the home court advantage but we dominated almost the whole game. I am just nervous we will get screwed when it comes time to get seeded in the tournament.

 

[FirstDownB]

In regards to the coaches poll, I am not pleased! How can anyone watch the game yesterday and rank Wisconsin ahead of us? I know we had the home court advantage but we dominated almost the whole game. I am just nervous we will get screwed when it comes time to get seeded in the tournament.

More concerning in regards to seeding in the tourney is our lagging RPI. And it is not going to have much opportunity for improvement with just about the entire Big Ten lagging in RPI. The conference champ could literally be a 4 seed this year.

 

[Pharmer98]

#19 in the Coaches poll, two spots.. behind.. Wisconsin

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Kind of strange. Wisconsin doesn't have a victory against a team that is currently in the Top 25. Purdue has 2 and 1 was against Wisconsin. Must be the eyeball test?

 

[Boilermaker]

Purdue will get respect with more wins, but I agree with those that argue starting off as darlings and ranked high is better as you drop less when you lose and rise more when you win.

 

[boilernuke]

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With respect to Allen...could not agree more on the matter, and am appalled that he continues to play (and clown) and that it is allowed...not so much that Duke/Krzyzewski allow (condone?) it, but that the ACC does.

This!

 

[rgarlitz]

More concerning in regards to seeding in the tourney is our lagging RPI. And it is not going to have much opportunity for improvement with just about the entire Big Ten lagging in RPI. The conference champ could literally be a 4 seed this year.

Last year's outright champion, Indiana, was a #5 seed. But, IIRC, that had more to do with the unbalanced conference schedule than with the conference RPI.

 

[PU pit bull]

Politics as usual. That's why I say.........

.....and yes, that is over the top, and yes, that is a Boilermaker hammer!

 

[Dakota Girl]

In regards to the coaches poll, I am not pleased! How can anyone watch the game yesterday and rank Wisconsin ahead of us? I know we had the home court advantage but we dominated almost the whole game. I am just nervous we will get screwed when it comes time to get seeded in the tournament.

Ah but you assume the "coaches" watched the game. The coaches didn't vote, their SID's probably did, and most of them don't watch all the games either. Not worth fretting about.

 

[nagemj02]

Starting with the Thursday game at Iowa, I say: Win 'Em All! (tic)

That way, there will be no disputing this team's ability.

 

[Do Dah Day]

I agree Nage that in a single elimination tournament anything can happen (as we know). But seeding does matter. Just in the first round alone there is a 15% win difference between a #4 seed and a #5. I want that 15% advantage for my team. On selection Sunday I won't lose my mind if we aren't a #4 or better, but I would sure be happy if we are!!

A 4 seed must play a 5 seed (assuming they both win their first round) to reach the sweet 16. So, that situation is a bit of a wash in reality. The 15% must be because the 4 seeds have been better teams.

Oops, sorry, it seems on closer reading that the 4 seed wins their FIRST round 15% more often than a 5 seed. My bad.

 

[Frankie611]

There are a ton of top 15 matchups this week. We play Iowa and that's it. If we win, we should backdoor our way into a pretty decent bump. I say with an Iowa road win we will be 13-15 next week depending on who wins some of those games Tuesday.
As for Iu's schedule, I don't know that it was really that bad this year. Yes, their cupcake games came with extra icing (not sure that makes sense but I am running with it). But they also played KU, Butler, and UL on neutral courts. Also played UNC at home, which I know was forced, but still. What I find more interesting is that their first true road game is tomorrow...

 

[Dryfly88]

A 4 seed must play a 5 seed (assuming they both win their first round) to reach the sweet 16. So, that situation is a bit of a wash in reality. The 15% must be because the 4 seeds have been better teams.

Oops, sorry, it seems on closer reading that the 4 seed wins their FIRST round 15% more often than a 5 seed. My bad.

Another thing to add to that, I didn't look up the stats but we know that often a #12 knocks off the #5. That can give the #4 an "easier" game to reach the sweet 16. So just even more reason I really like the #4 vs #5 or higher. Well within our reach this year, just need to keep racking up W's!!

 

[Do Dah Day]

Another thing to add to that, I didn't look up the stats but we know that often a #12 knocks off the #5. That can give the #4 an "easier" game to reach the sweet 16. So just even more reason I really like the #4 vs #5 or higher. Well within our reach this year, just need to keep racking up W's!!

Agreed, those mid-majors that are really good and get the 12 seeds do wreak havoc. I'm pushing all-in on the 4.