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Perry, Harris, and Forsythe class of 2024

Painter gets the most out of the talent he has. But very seldom is that talent top 10 or top 20 to begin with! Very seldom does painter sign a top 10 player. And he’s never sign two top 10 players in the same year! Admittedly you can’t recruit everybody. However, if you look at the recruitment of the top 10 prospects very rarely will you see that the player has even received an offer from Painter! You can only be as good as the players you recruit! I said the exact same thing about Purdue football. 4/5 star offensive linemen do exist! However if you do not recruit them, they will continue to go elsewhere!
Painter was quoted at one point saying the quickest way to get fired is to finish second on a bunch of recruits.

I feel very confident in saying that the primary reason MP doesn’t land a bunch of five stars isn’t simply a failure to try, but he’s definitely going to prioritize the best guys where he thinks they have a realistic chance to close the deal.
 
Painter was quoted at one point saying the quickest way to get fired is to finish second on a bunch of recruits.

I feel very confident in saying that the primary reason MP doesn’t land a bunch of five stars isn’t simply a failure to try, but he’s definitely going to prioritize the best guys where he thinks they have a realistic chance to close the deal.
I agree with everything you said. But the reality is if you want to make the final 4, it’s a lot easier to do so With a bunch of mc Donald. All Americans than it is with discovering hidden nuggets and then developing them. If Painter had the same talent coach k had, I’m confident he would have won as many championships as coach k won. But part of being a college coach is also recruiting. If you fear you will lose, you will never win. Did painter even try to recruit Bronny? If you don’t even try to recruit the best players, then you can’t complain when you lose to them.
 
I agree with everything you said. But the reality is if you want to make the final 4, it’s a lot easier to do so With a bunch of mc Donald. All Americans than it is with discovering hidden nuggets and then developing them. If Painter had the same talent coach k had, I’m confident he would have won as many championships as coach k won. But part of being a college coach is also recruiting. If you fear you will lose, you will never win. Did painter even try to recruit Bronny? If you don’t even try to recruit the best players, then you can’t complain when you lose to them.
Agree with you that he needs to keep upping the talent level if he wants to compete for final fours and national championships consistently. It looks like he’s doing that, although not as quickly as we as fans would probably like.

To me, Bronny is the perfect example of the kid you don’t want to recruit. There was zero chance that he was ever coming to the state of Indiana and he is a borderline five-star recruit, who will have twice as much drama as kids who are three times as talented. Other than a cursory ‘hey, have you thought about Purdue?’ why would you spend any time recruiting that type of kid when it means that you’re spending less time going after guys who are a better fit and you have a realistic chance to land?

I understand your question, but I feel pretty confident that the coaching staff does a thorough job of placing feelers with high-level recruits and going after the guys were they have reason to believe that they have a realistic shot.
 
Agree with you that he needs to keep upping the talent level if he wants to compete for final fours and national championships consistently. It looks like he’s doing that, although not as quickly as we as fans would probably like.

To me, Bronny is the perfect example of the kid you don’t want to recruit. There was zero chance that he was ever coming to the state of Indiana and he is a borderline five-star recruit, who will have twice as much drama as kids who are three times as talented. Other than a cursory ‘hey, have you thought about Purdue?’ why would you spend any time recruiting that type of kid when it means that you’re spending less time going after guys who are a better fit and you have a realistic chance to land?

I understand your question, but I feel pretty confident that the coaching staff does a thorough job of placing feelers with high-level recruits and going after the guys were they have reason to believe that they have a realistic shot.
I would agree. Painter probably contacts the top players and probably only provides offers after some contact with the player. He probably doesn’t extend an offer unless there is some mutual interest expressed by the player. That’s a realistic reality.

If true and logical it’s rather disappointing Purdue is not considered an option for so many of the top 20 recruits. I don’t blame Painter. It just appears Purdue is not a destination many elite players consider as a place to come to play.

Would this change with a different coach? Would a different coach have better success recruiting than Painter? I doubt it.

If self or coach k or Pitino or Cali mari came to Purdue would they be able to consistently bring 1-2 top players to Purdue each year? Somehow, I doubt it. There is just something about Purdue that turns off elite athletes.

I remember part of the success of the Hummel and Moore and JJ class was that 3 of them played on the same AAU class and a 4th one played on an AAU team and was familiar and friends with the other 3.
 
I would agree. Painter probably contacts the top players and probably only provides offers after some contact with the player. He probably doesn’t extend an offer unless there is some mutual interest expressed by the player. That’s a realistic reality.

If true and logical it’s rather disappointing Purdue is not considered an option for so many of the top 20 recruits. I don’t blame Painter. It just appears Purdue is not a destination many elite players consider as a place to come to play.

Would this change with a different coach? Would a different coach have better success recruiting than Painter? I doubt it.

If self or coach k or Pitino or Cali mari came to Purdue would they be able to consistently bring 1-2 top players to Purdue each year? Somehow, I doubt it. There is just something about Purdue that turns off elite athletes.

I remember part of the success of the Hummel and Moore and JJ class was that 3 of them played on the same AAU class and a 4th one played on an AAU team and was familiar and friends with the other 3.
I think other coaches could get higher ranked recruits, what's uncertain to me is whether they could keep them and translate that to better results on the court.

Agree with you that Purdue is not the easiest place to recruit to, I think you'd have to promise playing time and blow a lot of smoke in a way that Painter won't do to lang players. Lot's of guys would be willing to take that approach, it will be fascinating to see how Painter's approach plays out over the next few years.
 
I believe that Painter feels that there’s often not a huge difference in a lot of the players in the top 50+ (100 even) ranked players as far as ability except maybe the top 10+. He weighs their interest as well as their personal characteristics and fit for commitment to the team concept and makes no promises as far as playing time. He’s pursued some bigger names in the past few years TKR, Bidunga, Haralson, Catching, Sisley, Moreno all top 50 guys for the most part. I agree some mutual interest has to be present before serious recruitment pursuit moves forward. I also feel that overall the Boilermaker coaches do a pretty good job evaluating talent.
 
Purdue's class in 2024 is ranked in the top 20. LSU is unranked. Catchings, Burgess, and Benter. With Catching's being a 5 star. Ranking's outside the top 20 players is of no value IMO.
Painter has repeatedly agreed with you in saying that anyone can tell who the top 20 players are, after that it’s all subjective. He targets the players he thinks can best help him win and doesn’t give a rats ass about what their rankings are.
 
He also knows the top guys all think they are one and done.
Agree. Would add that even beyond the 'one and done' mindset, there are a bunch of five starts who will be drafted based on their upside but will not be as impactful on the court in their one year than a lot of top 100 type guys are in years 3 and 4.

For every five star who is instant impact there are probably two others who you have to put a time and effort into recruiting, developing and playing whose return on the floor is just ok.
 
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Agree. Would add that even beyond the 'one and done' mindset, there are a bunch of five starts who will be drafted based on their upside but will not be as impactful on the court in their one year than a lot of top 100 type guys are in years 3 and 4.

For every five star who is instant impact there are probably two others who you have to put a time and effort into recruiting, developing and playing whose return on the floor is just ok.
Nobody has learned this lesson better than John Calipari over the past 10 years.
 
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Agree. Would add that even beyond the 'one and done' mindset, there are a bunch of five starts who will be drafted based on their upside but will not be as impactful on the court in their one year than a lot of top 100 type guys are in years 3 and 4.

For every five star who is instant impact there are probably two others who you have to put a time and effort into recruiting, developing and playing whose return on the floor is just ok.
Bingo. Jake LaRavia is in the league and Romeo Langford is searching for his next job. How many coaches looked at the stars and rankings and ignored other things
 
I would agree. Painter probably contacts the top players and probably only provides offers after some contact with the player. He probably doesn’t extend an offer unless there is some mutual interest expressed by the player. That’s a realistic reality.

If true and logical it’s rather disappointing Purdue is not considered an option for so many of the top 20 recruits. I don’t blame Painter. It just appears Purdue is not a destination many elite players consider as a place to come to play.

Would this change with a different coach? Would a different coach have better success recruiting than Painter? I doubt it.

If self or coach k or Pitino or Cali mari came to Purdue would they be able to consistently bring 1-2 top players to Purdue each year? Somehow, I doubt it. There is just something about Purdue that turns off elite athletes.

I remember part of the success of the Hummel and Moore and JJ class was that 3 of them played on the same AAU class and a 4th one played on an AAU team and was familiar and friends with the other 3.
What I want is an unrealistic reality. C'mon, Wol!
 
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Could use an assist from the football team this weekend. A victory on the road might look impressive to guard VT has in for a basketball visit this weekend.
Gicarri Harris.
 
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Could use an assist from the football team this weekend. A victory on the road might look impressive to guard VT has in for a basketball visit this weekend.
Gicarri Harris.
Do you know he is staying for the football game? The date timeline I saw for him was just Fridays, and no Saturdays.

I agree it would be nice to have Purdue make an in person impression two weeks in a row.
 
Could use an assist from the football team this weekend. A victory on the road might look impressive to guard VT has in for a basketball visit this weekend.
Gicarri Harris.
The result of the football game is going to have absolutely zero impact on whether or not a basketball recruit picks a school. The thing that will matter most is the atmosphere generated by the fans. Unfortunately for Purdue, VT has one of the best football atmospheres around. I don’t see VT as a real player in the Harris recruitment, but I’m sure he will be impressed with what he sees from the fans on Saturday.
 
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The result of the football game is going to have absolutely zero impact on whether or not a basketball recruit picks a school. The thing that will matter most is the atmosphere generated by the fans. Unfortunately for Purdue, VT has one of the best football atmospheres around. I don’t see VT as a real player in the Harris recruitment, but I’m sure he will be impressed with what he sees from the fans on Saturday.
Luckily, it's not a night game. The Enter Sandman entrance is still good at noon, but insane at 8 pm.
 
So it seems that he might be less likely to commit to Purdue if Perry pulled the trigger on a commitment before he does? Although he’s a combo/SG and Perry would be more of a PG I think.
I haven't seen anything that indicates that Perry will impact his decision. GaTech does concern me though with the proximity to home and head coach's background.
 
I haven't seen anything that indicates that Perry will impact his decision. GaTech does concern me though with the proximity to home and head coach's background.
Really? The only thing that matters would be proximity to home IMO. That and maybe immediate playing time where here he’d likely have to sit a significant amount in year one.
 
Really? The only thing that matters would be proximity to home IMO. That and maybe immediate playing time where here he’d likely have to sit a significant amount in year one.
Agree that those are the main points. He wouldn't be the first player to bite on the pitch of 'stay close to home and help us build this program'. Promise of early playing time and being featured combined with a coach who was a lottery pick and played in the NBA for over a decade could be problematic.

I'm not saying he doesn't commit to Purdue but that combination at Ga Tech concerns me more than any of his other offers unless he decides to prioritize taking a guaranteed NIL offer at a Miami or LSU.
 
Agree that those are the main points. He wouldn't be the first player to bite on the pitch of 'stay close to home and help us build this program'. Promise of early playing time and being featured combined with a coach who was a lottery pick and played in the NBA for over a decade could be problematic.

I'm not saying he doesn't commit to Purdue but that combination at Ga Tech concerns me more than any of his other offers unless he decides to prioritize taking a guaranteed NIL offer at a Miami or LSU.
All that said, Tech is ultimately still bad next year with or without him. If he doesn’t mind sitting a year I think he comes here. I truly believe it’s the only reason he hasn’t pulled the trigger and said yes to his offer.
 
All that said, Tech is ultimately still bad next year with or without him. If he doesn’t mind sitting a year I think he comes here. I truly believe it’s the only reason he hasn’t pulled the trigger and said yes to his offer.
Why does he have to sit a year if he comes to PU? Are you saying he couldn't get any playing time here because we are too loaded?
 
Why does he have to sit a year if he comes to PU? Are you saying he couldn't get any playing time here because we are too loaded?
I think it means more so he wouldn’t get starter minutes right away in his first year.

All speculation, but it may also come down to if he wants to follow in his dads footsteps and also go to school where his sibling(s?) went and hopefully enjoyed their time. Hopefully, he doesn’t care about that and is wanting to keep up the success for Purdue Bball. Hopefully Catchings still plans on playing at Purdue too!
 
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Why does he have to sit a year if he comes to PU? Are you saying he couldn't get any playing time here because we are too loaded?
I don’t think he’d redshirt but I don’t believe he’d get more than 10-15 minutes a game his freshman year.
 
Why is that? Since he had his visit nothing has changed on our recruiting landscape.
Evidently it has since recent reporting has revealed Purdue was no longer pursuing Burns. No specific reason listed but I’d assume it is related to current the bigs situation both in who is on the team and evaluating potential commitments from other bigs being recruited.
 
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Harris would be a great get for Purdue since we need more
dynamic guards. Still think we need someone like Cuonzo
Martin to improve NIL fundraising, recruiting, and sealing the
deal on recruits.

In my opinion, we should have gotten Xavier Booker or Flory
Bidunga since both were in our own backyard. We need someone
like Martin to get Purdue more players like Colvin and Catchings.
Harris would help.

But keep in mind only Catchings has no Purdue connections.

Recruiting has to be more consistently broader than the State of
Indiana and Purdue connections, especially if we are going to miss
out on athletic big men like Booker and Bidunga in our own state.

After what Carsen Edwards did in 2019, you would think we would
have gotten some players from Houston. Here's to hoping we see
some improvement in this area. Go Boilers!
 
Harris would be a great get for Purdue since we need more
dynamic guards. Still think we need someone like Cuonzo
Martin to improve NIL fundraising, recruiting, and sealing the
deal on recruits.

In my opinion, we should have gotten Xavier Booker or Flory
Bidunga since both were in our own backyard. We need someone
like Martin to get Purdue more players like Colvin and Catchings.
Harris would help.

But keep in mind only Catchings has no Purdue connections.

Recruiting has to be more consistently broader than the State of
Indiana and Purdue connections, especially if we are going to miss
out on athletic big men like Booker and Bidunga in our own state.

After what Carsen Edwards did in 2019, you would think we would
have gotten some players from Houston. Here's to hoping we see
some improvement in this area. Go Boilers!
Agree with a lot here except for Booker and Flory. Purdue needs the guards and dynamic wing play like you’d said more than Flory and Booker.

As much as it would have been great to have either one of them, there was no room for Booker this year, unless someone in the front court left and I’d say the same even for Flory next year. And more than likely both those guys are one and dones based on “potential” alone. So if they did come then we’d have lost one of or a combo of TKR, Furst, Berg, and probably no Burgess for next year.
 
Burns got an offer just a couple months ago. Berg has been on the roster for over a year now....
Hasn't been healthy until the last month or so. Burns was offered as an insurance policy when Purdue staff wasn't sure if Berg would ever see the court. Berg comes back from surgery and looks like a legitimate prospect, significantly better than he has at any point to date at Purdue and Burns' offer dries up.
 
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