I am old enough to remember it, but, I don’t watch Fox News. Perhaps that is the difference here. Remember, you haven’t seen the movie, so you really don’t know what is in it or not in it. Most of us, at least I hope, like to make judgements on experiencing for ourselves and not just being told how to feel. You know, kind of like what you are claiming the movie makers are doing.
I think nothing less of those that disagree with my views and have laid out why I hold my view. Different regions of this country at different timelines have through "education" been subjected or some would say indoctrinated by education...not with bad intent necessarily...but programmed in certain ways of thought. I find the "reasons" behind the thoughts as interesting as the thoughts in many cases. Again, hopefully a few different perspectives have been gathered.
Yes, you have been all over the place trying connect the dots between numerous things and the flag scene you feel should be in the movie. That’s what is confusing. It has nothing to do with the Soviet Union and as was explained by those who made the movie, everything to do with uniting the world.
more red herrings. I listed why in the 60s things happened...the mood of the times. Do you REALLY wish to disagree with the sentiments at those times? I'm right and if you are as old as you claim you know it. It WAS the USSR and the USA. Why do you feel the need to castigate me in a way rather than attempt to convince us that all the media, news that I described was make believe. Why do you try to divert with Fox..and then jump to world unity when it was the USSR and the USA that had the race and were in competition? Are you sure it isn't because I'm a white man? I mean you haven't diverted with the race card ...yet. I mean if you see the circle around my picture it is pretty easy to see it is a "white supremacist" signal!
Tom, I really don’t care to debate this with you. It’s not a big deal. You keep claiming people don’t see what you see due to ignorance and then trying to connect other events to this movie. I am not using red herrings or whatever it is your attempting to say. My point is simple. You haven’t seen the movie, therefore your anger is based on what you have been told instead of what you know. It’s silly and sadly enough a perfect example of what is happening in our country right now.
Actually I don't see much debate. I do see various opinions and can't recall a time I showed any anger. I listed the mood of the country due to specifics that pointed to why the flag planting was important for that flight. It was an outright competition between the USSR and the USA and find it hard to believe that anyone could begin to suggest otherwise. I even tried to indicate why seeing a movie about that event and trying to draw a conclusion about the importance of that event being omitted, by those unaware of the sentiments at the time would be unlikely..through Rummy. I listed the support for why I hold my views based upon the understandings at the time. I never called anyone in opposition unpatriotic, but rather tried to understand the "reasoning" for the opinions held and it appeared an age gap was in place. Why was it left out(rhetorical)? Did they somehow think the flag planting would supersede the intent of the movie? If not, why did they leave out this iconic moment and if it wouldn't supersede the moment why wasn't it left in? Valid questions for reflection it appears to me ...
And yet here you guys are, spending just as much time defending a movie you haven't seen, and bringing your own political views into it. Pot/kettle, but you somehow don't see it.
“Hey there’s an American flag flying back behind Neil! That’s weird. Was it always there?”
Gotta laugh at the comment, not you, but the comment. Last year in Berlin, I went to a war memorial and it did have bullet holes in it....decades after the wars the memorial was erected. A few months ago there were threats to destroy statues in many of the civil war sites (Gettsyburg specifically was called out). I get email daily about contributing to preserving the grounds of various Civil War sites. FB has a group on the Civil War as well that can be interesting...
I love near many civil war sites here in Tennessee. I visit two specific sites almost daily... Stones River and Beech Grove. Can you provide a link that shows people are actively trying to remove statues from civil war sites, as this is the first I am hearing of it.Gotta laugh at the comment, not you, but the comment. Last year in Berlin, I went to a war memorial and it did have bullet holes in it....decades after the wars the memorial was erected. A few months ago there were threats to destroy statues in many of the civil war sites (Gettsyburg specifically was called out). I get email daily about contributing to preserving the grounds of various Civil War sites. FB has a group on the Civil War as well that can be interesting...
Did you assume the guide suggested the civil war at the time shot bullets into the memorials at that time or decades later or was that clear? Whether it was Gettysburg or the Civil War in general..next time you are in the area there are other sites that may be of interest and within an hour or so. Monocacy where the soldiers from Indiana found the lost papers that led to McCellan all of a sudden being more aggressive in knowing the plans of Lee just prior to Gettysburg. Many credit Wallace (union general from Indiana) for saving Washington as a result of that battle. Not a lot to see (just a couple of miles outside Frederick), but a significant battle few are aware. A battle where the shooting skills of the 90 day temps was impressive...
Also, you have Harper's Ferry close by...scenic view Jefferson described as...snip...snip "This scene is worth a voyage across the Atlantic." as well as the industrial arms factory and John Brown capture. Still, the slaughterhouse of the "sunken road" in Antietam is another site worth the visit.
Sacred grounds where many "Americans on both sides" were lost in a war that many believe did not have to happen, but that has already been described. If it is more than Gettysburg and the Civil War in general is of interest...visit the others when you are so close...
no, in my post I specifically stated that a "few months ago" and I don't keep any links. What I think was stated...and this is going off memory...was that there was threats of destruction and this was in reference to a post that mentioned bullet holes in memorials relative to Gettysburg which wasn't clear if that was a question posed recently in context of the present or if that was assumed to be during the time before they were erected such as the battle itself. as I saw in Berlin.
These are all statues on public property. He stated civil war sites, not courthouse lawns.
no, in my post I specifically stated that a "few months ago" and I don't keep any links. What I think was stated...and this is going off memory...was that there was threats of destruction and this was in reference to a post that mentioned bullet holes in memorials relative to Gettysburg which wasn't clear if that was a question posed recently in context of the present or if that was assumed to be during the time before they were erected such as the battle itself. as I saw in Berlin.
Here is the victory column. Bullet holes years later as a result of a war and if you go inside and talk to the people inside of the memorial you will find that from time to time...people drive by and still shoot at it. Don't take my word for it...go visit it for yourself...Berlin has a lot of history
I mean it doesn't take much memory to remember the confused removing historic statues recently. perhaps if I get time I'll review what i wrote since I've written a LOT since that post...
AS I said if you wish to keep in tune I'm sure many sites looking for money would like your email...I can hook you up if you want to provide it. Facebook has a group you can visit and twitter has a few sites to follow. Lots out there if interested...
I'm not sure what your point is. This idea of destroying or removing icons of history isn't something that was just made up. From the NY Times:
Once again, my point is that the original statement was that people wanted to remove statues on civil war sites. That simply isn’t true.
you were writing int eh present an I think I said months ago there were threats. It has taken me a while to get back to this due to coming home from the game and wanting to see if it appeared as bad on the TV as in person. Unfortunately, a one second loss of power was enough to blow my router and I was never able to get it into any factory reset mode in order to apply the firmware. I tried using windows tftp and couldn't get it to begin to start to reset. Moving on here is an article in agreement with the emails I get on preservation and such of battle grounds...specifically Gettysburg which was the initial area of discussion.
Perfect example of how Fox News is actually fake news. It didn’t happen and the rumors were shot down before the event took place.
Well, Fox and other right wing media outlets reported that Anifta, or whatever it’s called was threatening to disrupt the cermomy at Gettysburg and that they planned to damage memorials. The fact of the matter is that I cannot find a single statement that backs this up other than those same right wing media outlets.
Right. I shit stir by pointing out that a statement presented as fact is indeed not a fact at all.
Sorry Pete but I’ve got to call BS on this. I know you do not watch Fox because of your strong liberal lean on other subjects. Good for you. However. I watch all the networks and never heard this story from Fox or any other network. Not sure where where you got this from. My point is you are using hearsay to protest “fake news”.
you apparently missed when I said I get email about preserving sites. One of those emails stated that the were debating closing Gettysburg during the time. The mere fact that "ANTIFA" would deny anything is of no surprise. It doesn't matter. We know what has happened when large groups of stupid people gather and I fully understand the concerns of those trying to preserve these grounds. The dots are damn near touching and if you want to not believe anything....why should I care? I suspect that many are wondering why you appear to keep trolling...
I didn’t provide the article, Tom did. It says I’m the article that the group who was supposedly threatening to do damage, was actually denying it before the event happened.
Well said. I will say again however that I did in fact get emails from the preservation sites that stated that Gettysburg may be closed (first of July last year) as it was getting discussed for fear of desecration. THAT is the truth and easy to understand based upon this country and what we have all witnessed on many fronts. The issue with the statues is the ignorance of so many that think the north had all the good guys and the south had all the bad guys. That is simply wrong. The opinions on teh movie have already been expressed and I wonder...no need to opine... if international ticket prices might be at play as well. Anyway, just saw this minutes ago
G. K. Chesterton@GKCdaily 52m52 minutes ago Now..didn't you tell me you played for Brian McCauley at one time?
It’s all good Tom, like I said, I haven’t heard of any threats. You had and I was just wanting to be informed of them as I am a huge civil war junkie and as I said, I am on a battlefield or cemetery almost daily.Well said. I will say again however that I did in fact get emails from the preservation sites that stated that Gettysburg may be closed (first of July last year) as it was getting discussed for fear of desecration. THAT is the truth and easy to understand based upon this country and what we have all witnessed on many fronts. The issue with the statues is the ignorance of so many that think the north had all the good guys and the south had all the bad guys. That is simply wrong. The opinions on teh movie have already been expressed and I wonder...no need to opine... if international ticket prices might be at play as well. Anyway, just saw this minutes ago
Christianity never promised that it would impose universal peace. It had a great deal too much respect for personal liberty.
..and so the liberty battles will rage...
I like the quote from Nathan B Forrest. He was relatively uneducated soldier, but rose to general by sheer talent. After the Civil War, Forrest went on to found one of our nastiest institutions, the Klu Klux Klan. Anti catholic, anti black, and anti Semitic. That tempers my admiration of the man, but most of us are not without sin.
Yep, you are absolutely correct! That is what is so great about this country. Even a man, one like Forrest who for many was a monster, amongst all of his hatred and bigotry; he realized that the country was meant to be a haven for those who differ, and for it to prosper, we must all coexist, standing together to defend THE reason for all the lives lived and all of the lives lost...freedom.
