Next head coach at Purdue

[SKYDOG]

DePaul and St. John's ain't getting the stud kids wanting the big city lights either. Somebody has to get them and hopefully Purdue will start to get them soon.

 

[Ajas0810]

Umm, Purdue hasn't been to a Final Four since 1980. That's since before Keady. Fans here are not being greedy. This year was a major disappointment. 3rd in the Big Ten, out in the sweet 16, and blown out in the Big Ten tournament with a senior laden class that Painter recruited.

Just saying if you wanna go running Matt off better be prepared for some lean years. Just like what happened at Pitt. We have a great coach and the future looks bright.

 

[bleedgoldandblack]

To the supporters,

If Painter retires after twenty more seasons, has three more BT titles, one BTT title, 2 sweet 16s, and an elite eight, would that be success?

To the haters,

After ten years with a new coach and he has one BT title, one BTT title, and two sweet 16s, would you be ready for yet another coach?

As someone mentioned before, under no circumstances does Painter retire a legend if he continues his current pace.

I honestly don’t think he’ll last another twenty years.

 

[Travisty13]

15-20 or til he retires. At the point we hire PJ Thompson to succeed him. Wish Dr. Carson Cunningham was about 15 years younger, cause he would be a perfect coach in waiting, but he's only 7 years younger than Painter. So PJ is the man. He plays some years overseas. Comes back to the states, takes a few HS jobs, then steps up to a small college, then he comes in as coach in waiting position.

 

[*4purdue*]

I honestly don't believe Painter will ever be fired, which I'm not a CMP hater, so whatever.

I also believe he will get to a E8 and a F4, maybe further if we're lucky.

I believe 12-17 more years, or whenever he decides to leave. That's basically my answer; when he decides to retire.

Unless he changes his coaching philosophy, it's highly unlikely we get to a FF. GK was very similar and couldn't do it in 28 years.

 

[beenhummeled?]

When do you believe the next head coach and staff will be hired for men's hoops?

Will it be within the next year or two?

Will it be within the next five years?

Will it be within the next 10 years?

Will it be within the next 15-20 years?

Please choose one answer and stay on topic.

10+ unless another school comes knocking, in which case he'd be an idiot not to leave this delusional fan base.

 

[BoilerAndy]

I am not on team fire painter but that includes 10 years coaching d2 and was only 10 years after taking his first high major job (he made his first elite 8 in 3)

No question. But you know that he was learning his trade during those years. The clock didn't start ticking on his coaching experience when he took the Canisius or the Richmond job.

 

[StickPurdue]

Real question. Who is available that is a) better b) willing to come to a school like Purdue?

Painter is a top 25 coach. He is consistently in the top 25 (outside a few years he was dealing with some personal issues). He just went to back to back sweet sixteens. This year he made a sweet 16 without Haas, and beating Butler without Haas was impressive. Won a big Ten outright last year, played in the Big championship game this year. I get the frustration of wanting to break the ceiling, but there are a boatlod of schools that would love to have the success Painter had over the last two years.

Painter would have a job immediately and it would be a top tier job. Purdue would have to bank on an upandcomer. Worked out real well with the Haze.

Firing Painter without a can't miss hire would be crazy. The the FBI stuff, a lot of "top jobs" will be opening up. Painter benefits more from being fired than Purdue does. Making an emotional decision after a tough loss is a terrible idea.

 

[BoilerGrad2001]

Real question. Who is available that is a) better b) willing to come to a school like Purdue?

Painter is a top 25 coach. He is consistently in the top 25 (outside a few years he was dealing with some personal issues). He just went to back to back sweet sixteens. This year he made a sweet 16 without Haas, and beating Butler without Haas was impressive. Won a big Ten outright last year, played in the Big championship game this year. I get the frustration of wanting to break the ceiling, but there are a boatlod of schools that would love to have the success Painter had over the last two years.

Painter would have a job immediately and it would be a top tier job. Purdue would have to bank on an upandcomer. Worked out real well with the Haze.

Firing Painter without a can't miss hire would be crazy. The the FBI stuff, a lot of "top jobs" will be opening up. Painter benefits more from being fired than Purdue does. Making an emotional decision after a tough loss is a terrible idea.

I don't think he should be fired this year by any means. If we miss the tournament next year, then his seat will be getting warmer.

 

[artee]

Real question. Who is available that is a) better b) willing to come to a school like Purdue?

Painter is a top 25 coach. He is consistently in the top 25 (outside a few years he was dealing with some personal issues). He just went to back to back sweet sixteens. This year he made a sweet 16 without Haas, and beating Butler without Haas was impressive. Won a big Ten outright last year, played in the Big championship game this year. I get the frustration of wanting to break the ceiling, but there are a boatlod of schools that would love to have the success Painter had over the last two years.

Painter would have a job immediately and it would be a top tier job. Purdue would have to bank on an upandcomer. Worked out real well with the Haze.

Firing Painter without a can't miss hire would be crazy. The the FBI stuff, a lot of "top jobs" will be opening up. Painter benefits more from being fired than Purdue does. Making an emotional decision after a tough loss is a terrible idea.

Hire Stormy Daniels............she won't choke on the "big one"!!!

 

[PU pit bull]

Shaka Smart..........

 

[mathboy]

Whoever the next coach is, the offensive style MUST NOT BE the bronze-age, 1970's weave-motion offense (which has not gotten us to the FF in 38 years and counting) that fails to attract athletes. The game has changed and we need to catch up. We just got beat by a team (TT) from a football state that had a bench and starting line up full of athletes that play above the rim. And please, don't tell me Kansas and Dook only gets those players, TT's players are all 3-star and below.

"Weave-motion"? Now you are just making stuff up. That's funny. Please stop. There is noting "bronze-age" about Painter's offense.

 

[PaBoiler78]

To the supporters,

If Painter retires after twenty more seasons, has three more BT titles, one BTT title, 2 sweet 16s, and an elite eight, would that be success?

To the haters,

After ten years with a new coach and he has one BT title, one BTT title, and two sweet 16s, would you be ready for yet another coach?

As someone mentioned before, under no circumstances does Painter retire a legend if he continues his current pace.

I honestly don’t think he’ll last another twenty years.

Cal Ripkenesque

 

[rgarlitz]

Real question. Who is available that is a) better b) willing to come to a school like Purdue?.

Let me start by saying that I mostly agree with your assessment. Matt Painter is a solid coach who has represented Purdue very well both on and off the court. He has won 2/3 of the games he's coached, made the NCAA Tournament 10 times in 13 years and finished in the top 4 of the B1G 9 times. His most recent team just set a program record by winning 30 games. Matt isn't going anywhere, nor should he.

That said, and only for the sake of speculative conversation, I wonder if Thad Matta would meet your above criteria. If his recent jaunt through SEC openings is any indication, Matta's ready to get back into the game. His career winning percentage is almost 10 points higher than Painter's. With a couple final fours and two more elite eights, he has a much better record in the NCAA tournament. He knows Purdue's main recruiting base as well as anyone. Would he take the Purdue job? I don't know, but it's a better gig than the two he turned down this spring.

 

[StickPurdue]

Let me start by saying that I mostly agree with your assessment. Matt Painter is a solid coach who has represented Purdue very well both on and off the court. He has won 2/3 of the games he's coached, made the NCAA Tournament 10 times in 13 years and finished in the top 4 of the B1G 9 times. His most recent team just set a program record by winning 30 games. Matt isn't going anywhere, nor should he.

That said, and only for the sake of speculative conversation, I wonder if Thad Matta would meet your above criteria. If his recent jaunt through SEC openings is any indication, Matta's ready to get back into the game. His career winning percentage is almost 10 points higher than Painter's. With a couple final fours and two more elite eights, he has a much better record in the NCAA tournament. He knows Purdue's main recruiting base as well as anyone. Would he take the Purdue job? I don't know, but it's a better gig than the two he turned down this spring.

I look at Thad's recent success (or more accurately lack there of) and I would pass. He has had health issues as well as performance issues. Look at what Holtmann did immediately for that program with a majority of the same players. Thad was great, but he hasn't been an elite coach for a long time. He is a certainly a big name that would be available and I am sure he would love to come back to the Big Ten, but if it was me making the decision, I would pass.

Don't get me wrong, Purdue could find a situation like in football and wind of with one of the best young coaches in the nation available at exactly the right time. I will never say never, but Painter certainly does not deserve to be fired with his recent success especially amidst all the cheating scandals.

 

[rgarlitz]

I look at Thad's recent success (or more accurately lack there of) and I would pass. He has had health issues as well as performance issues. Look at what Holtmann did immediately for that program with a majority of the same players. Thad was great, but he hasn't been an elite coach for a long time. He is a certainly a big name that would be available and I am sure he would love to come back to the Big Ten, but if it was me making the decision, I would pass.

Don't get me wrong, Purdue could find a situation like in football and wind of with one of the best young coaches in the nation available at exactly the right time. I will never say never, but Painter certainly does not deserve to be fired with his recent success especially amidst all the cheating scandals.

That's a fair concern. I've wondered myself how much Matta's decline had to do with his health vs. how much his success had to do with getting a handfull of great players like Greg Oden, Mike Conley, and Evan Turner. I've also wondered how much the Ohio State name (and all that goes with it) helped Matta in recruiting.

And, again, I absolutely agree, it would be beyond ridiculous to fire Matt Painter after a 30-win season.

 

[boilernuke]

Exactly. I found the same comment hilarious. Purdue finished the season with the #2 most efficient offense in the nation. (Per Kenpom).

"Weave-motion"? Now you are just making stuff up. That's funny. Please stop. There is noting "bronze-age" about Painter's offense.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Hire Stormy Daniels............she won't choke on the "big one"!!!

Yeah but she can't keep secrets afterwards.

 

[BoilerBiker]

It took Beiein thirty years of being a head coach, and about 20 in D1 before reaching his first final four.

I get that some was at Canisius and Richmond, however it's still more experience which Painter's career hasn't been that long in comparison. He's made improvements from early mistakes, and I'd likely see more progression as he gets a bit older. He's a really good coach. It remains to be seen if he's able to become a great coach.

the beilein & ryan comparisons were good.
it showed they had significant coaching experience before joining a power conf team. (and then advanced fairly soon to the elite 8 level).

on the flip side though, it might show the ramification /long term approach of morgan burkes decision to select a candidate with far less head coaching experience. painter has it now though, along with better AD support.

____
reach elite 8:
ryan......21st year as head coach, 4th year in power conference
beilein...23rd year as head coach, 3rd year in power conference

reach final 4:
ryan......30th year as head coach, 13th year in power conference
beilein...31st year as head coach, 11th year in power conference

 

[Chuchumutha]

To the supporters,

If Painter retires after twenty more seasons, has three more BT titles, one BTT title, 2 sweet 16s, and an elite eight, would that be success?

To the haters,

After ten years with a new coach and he has one BT title, one BTT title, and two sweet 16s, would you be ready for yet another coach?

As someone mentioned before, under no circumstances does Painter retire a legend if he continues his current pace.

I honestly don’t think he’ll last another twenty years.

Given his current pace, here would be his results (with one caveat)
In the next 20 years, 4 BT titles, 2 BTT titles, make the NCAA tourney 17 times, 7 SS, 1 EE, 1 FF.

My caveat is I assumed no significant injuries to critical players in the EE and FF runs.

Now you decide.

 

[mcboiler04]

Maybe if you ask Louisville nicely they will throw a ton of dough at him. Personally, I am in favor of change after 10-12 years. Good for both parties. I think Tiller said something to that effect one time.

So what would you say about a coach that was with a program, say, 12 years and had modest success. 265-116. And 3 NCAA tourneys in that time at a high major program? Fire him?

What if we went on to win 7 NCAA tournaments in a row and 10 of 11, like John Wooden did at UCLA starting in year 13?

 

[Ben Shadeland]

When do you believe the next head coach and staff will be hired for men's hoops?

Will it be within the next year or two?

Will it be within the next five years?

Will it be within the next 10 years?

Will it be within the next 15-20 years?

Please choose one answer and stay on topic.

Hopefully beyond twenty years. I'm serious. I believe CMP will be legendary (in the best possible way) at Purdue before it's all said and done. We can let him retire when he's seventy.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

So what would you say about a coach that was with a program, say, 12 years and had modest success. 265-116. And 3 NCAA tourneys in that time at a high major program? Fire him?

What if we went on to win 7 NCAA tournaments in a row and 10 of 11, like John Wooden did at UCLA starting in year 13?

I am not saying to fire him. But if someone else wants him, I would not share one tear and be ok moving on.

It is the reality of the entire Keady tree has one Final 4 thanks to Bill Self's recruiting acumen and three Elite 8 appearances out of a combined 42 appearances.

 

[bonefish1]

Ainters like to rag on Painter for not being able to recruit "final four recruits" but won't/can't accept the difficulty of getting those guys to Purdue. Most of us love Purdue and remember our college experience through gold colored glasses. Purdue will never be a mecca for kids that want big city life. Great place to get a quality education but 5 star kids are looking to move on in a year. West Lafayette is not the kind of "fun" destination most would want to spend a year playing basketball if the education in also important. That leaves the formula that is starting to evolve. You have to search for solid 3 and 4 star kids with high basketball IQs desiring a family team approach and a good education in a small town setting and hope it all comes together. You find the kids in small town TX, OH, AL, etc. Replacing Matt with a Pitino, Calipari or Coach K would likely have little effect on our FF capabilities unless you're willing to roll the dice by shoveling shoe money to Mom and Dad. It would still be Purdue with the same handicaps to "legal" recruiting. I've seen Purdue in two FFs. I believe I'll see more but believe that few teams could have lost a Hummel or a Haas near the end of the season and still made a deep tourney run.

Give me a break....location has zero to do with recruiting. These guys don’t care about a “fun” destination. You think this is the Miami Hurricanes is the 80’s where the players are clubbin with Luther Campbell? These players do 3 things: sleep, hoop, class.
The fact that PU is located in WL Indiana has nothing to do with recruiting. If Location mattered, Miami would be a powerhouse. USC would be a powerhouse. Arizona State...want me to go on? Ever been to East Lansing, Manhattan KS?
Recruiting is the coach, the coach and the coach ( the program and the facilities also matter) but not as much as the coach. Period.

 

[bonefish1]

Well said SI. PU is great for an education....it's not so good for party life, celeb's being on campus and at practice.

BS. PU has plenty of night life. With 40,000 students, there’s plenty of fun to be had when these guys aren’t in the gym.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Give me a break....location has zero to do with recruiting. These guys don’t care about a “fun” destination. You think this is the Miami Hurricanes is the 80’s where the players are clubbin with Luther Campbell? These players do 3 things: sleep, hoop, class.
The fact that PU is located in WL Indiana has nothing to do with recruiting. If Location mattered, Miami would be a powerhouse. USC would be a powerhouse. Arizona State...want me to go on? Ever been to East Lansing, Manhattan KS?
Recruiting is the coach, the coach and the coach ( the program and the facilities also matter) but not as much as the coach. Period.

So what your saying is Painter wouldn't be worth a darn in Miami? Da' Ville? Bloomington? How did Crean have success at IU?

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Give me a break....location has zero to do with recruiting. These guys don’t care about a “fun” destination. You think this is the Miami Hurricanes is the 80’s where the players are clubbin with Luther Campbell? These players do 3 things: sleep, hoop, class.
The fact that PU is located in WL Indiana has nothing to do with recruiting. If Location mattered, Miami would be a powerhouse. USC would be a powerhouse. Arizona State...want me to go on? Ever been to East Lansing, Manhattan KS?
Recruiting is the coach, the coach and the coach ( the program and the facilities also matter) but not as much as the coach. Period.

I spent a week one night down in Lexington, Kentucky back in July 2016.

Lawrence, Kansas has a killer club scene.

I know recruits also get off on scenic Lubbock.

 

[Do Dah Day]

Give me a break....location has zero to do with recruiting. These guys don’t care about a “fun” destination. You think this is the Miami Hurricanes is the 80’s where the players are clubbin with Luther Campbell? These players do 3 things: sleep, hoop, class.
The fact that PU is located in WL Indiana has nothing to do with recruiting. If Location mattered, Miami would be a powerhouse. USC would be a powerhouse. Arizona State...want me to go on? Ever been to East Lansing, Manhattan KS?
Recruiting is the coach, the coach and the coach ( the program and the facilities also matter) but not as much as the coach. Period.

I spent a month in Manhattan (my son was stationed at Ft. Riley) and honestly, it's a really fun place. There's an area there called "aggieville." Who know why, but it's two blocks long on Moro St. and it is really cool/fun. Great food, atmosphere, fun ... I was shocked. And the town (Manhattan) bleeds purple. It is EVERYWHERE. I loved being there.

 

[Casey and his Brother]

However many years away from 75 Painter is. He just hung two banners. As long as he doesn't dip into the cheerleaders, he's safe.

 

[M51]

Give me a break....location has zero to do with recruiting. These guys don’t care about a “fun” destination. You think this is the Miami Hurricanes is the 80’s where the players are clubbin with Luther Campbell? These players do 3 things: sleep, hoop, class.
The fact that PU is located in WL Indiana has nothing to do with recruiting. If Location mattered, Miami would be a powerhouse. USC would be a powerhouse. Arizona State...want me to go on? Ever been to East Lansing, Manhattan KS?
Recruiting is the coach, the coach and the coach ( the program and the facilities also matter) but not as much as the coach. Period.

Agree 100% that location is not important. Duke, MSU, Kansas, UNC, UK, UL, Gonzaga, IU. None are “big glamorous city” locales. Could name another 25 schools. Villanova May be only big city school that has been doing great the past 5 yrs or so. As stated, it is coach, coaching style, style of play and can a player get to the NBA with said coach and coaching style.

 

[meenie]

Webmaster,

Please ban nogamejo2.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Agree 100% that location is not important. Duke, MSU, Kansas, UNC, UK, UL, Gonzaga, IU. None are “big glamorous city” locales. Could name another 25 schools. Villanova May be only big city school that has been doing great the past 5 yrs or so. As stated, it is coach, coaching style, style of play and can a player get to the NBA with said coach and coaching style.

The Durham/Chapel Hill area is gorgeous....UNC campus as well as Dukes is as beautiful as any out there. Gonzaga is in Spokane and beautiful as well. I have a long time friend who's wife works in the basketball office, and though a small campus, it's very attractive. Manhatten, I've never seen...but I've always been suspicious of Bill Self as I have Izzo.

Louisville is a fun town with a great night life.

Purdue isn't going to get anyone better than Painter.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Webmaster,

Please ban nogamejo2.

Nope. Nags is a valued poster if you can overlook his misguided membership in the Ainters.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

The Durham/Chapel Hill area is gorgeous....UNC campus as well as Dukes is as beautiful as any out there. Gonzaga is in Spokane and beautiful as well. I have a long time friend who's wife works in the basketball office, and though a small campus, it's very attractive. Manhatten, I've never seen...but I've always been suspicious of Bill Self as I have Izzo.

Louisville is a fun town with a great night life.

Purdue isn't going to get anyone better than Painter.

Just a point of clarification, TD.....University of Kansas is located in Lawrence, Kansas. Kansas State's campus is in Manhattan.

I've driven through both but not spent any appreciable time in either place. I tend to agree on the universities in North Carolina as to the scenic nature of their campuses and surrounding areas. Winston-Salem is also another nice town.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Just a point of clarification, TD.....University of Kansas is located in Lawrence, Kansas. Kansas State's campus is in Manhattan.

I've driven through both but not spent any appreciable time in either place. I tend to agree on the universities in North Carolina as to the scenic nature of their campuses and surrounding areas. Winston-Salem is also another nice town.

You're right...my mistake. I've always thought that Self is dirty and pushes the envelope way too much.

 

[M51]

The Durham/Chapel Hill area is gorgeous....UNC campus as well as Dukes is as beautiful as any out there. Gonzaga is in Spokane and beautiful as well. I have a long time friend who's wife works in the basketball office, and though a small campus, it's very attractive. Manhatten, I've never seen...but I've always been suspicious of Bill Self as I have Izzo.

Louisville is a fun town with a great night life.

Purdue isn't going to get anyone better than Painter.

I agree Durham, Chapel Hill, Spokane are beautiful smaller college cities. Just not the big city as one poster suggests is a requirement to get top recruits.

And I also agree Purdue cannot get a coach that is better than Painter. That is, if they don’t try.

 

[bonefish1]

The Durham/Chapel Hill area is gorgeous....UNC campus as well as Dukes is as beautiful as any out there. Gonzaga is in Spokane and beautiful as well. I have a long time friend who's wife works in the basketball office, and though a small campus, it's very attractive. Manhatten, I've never seen...but I've always been suspicious of Bill Self as I have Izzo.

Louisville is a fun town with a great night life.

Purdue isn't going to get anyone better than Painter.

Do you really believe guys that are going to be on campus for maybe 24 months care that it’s “gorgeous”? Again, why isn’t Miami a national power? Austin is cool, why is UT average? Memphis is great....What about USC?
If you want to make the argument that location matters, how about facilities? I’ll say that Dukes arena is tiny and sucks compared to Mackey.
As far as getting someone better than Painter, that all depends on how big a check you’re willing to write.
You probably also believe PU football peeked with Tiller (until Brohm came).

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Do you really believe guys that are going to be on campus for maybe 24 months care that it’s “gorgeous”? Again, why isn’t Miami a national power? Austin is cool, why is UT average? Memphis is great....What about USC?
If you want to make the argument that location matters, how about facilities? I’ll say that Dukes arena is tiny and sucks compared to Mackey.
As far as getting someone better than Painter, that all depends on how big a check you’re willing to write.
You probably also believe PU football peeked with Tiller (until Brohm came).

Nope, I don't believe PU football peaked with Tiller. Don't know that PU football will ever peak.

And if you want to talk football and Miami, then yes....Miami has been and is becoming a power house again.

 

[SKYDOG]

Nope, I don't believe PU football peaked with Tiller. Don't know that PU football will ever peak.

And if you want to talk football and Miami, then yes....Miami has been and is becoming a power house again.

Purdue football peaked on the famous fumble.

 

[bonefish1]

Nope, I don't believe PU football peaked with Tiller. Don't know that PU football will ever peak.

And if you want to talk football and Miami, then yes....Miami has been and is becoming a power house again.

I was referring to the fact that you believe location matters in basketball recruiting; in which case, why isn’t Miami a basketball power? I mean, who wouldn’t want to go to college in Miami? Should be easy to recruit there. Right?
Why has Vandy completely turned around their recruiting (believe they have 2 5 stars and are a finalist for Langford) since hiring Drew when they never got a 5 star with Stallings?
Again, if location had anything to do with recruiting, no one would ever step foot in East Lansing. It’s one step above Flint.