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Joe Biden stole CLASSIFIED docs when he was VP!

Why?

Do we know he has obstructed the investigation? Do we know he lied about how many documents he has? Did he knowingly take them? Was there intent? The answer is yes to all four questions with trump.

Given what we know, neither will be prosecuted for having the documents. It’s happened across republican and democratic administrations since Carter. But if one lied about it and was uncooperative about returning them, different story.
Who gives a F if he obstructed or not. That's not the major issue. He never had the authority to have them in the first place. Trump did.

You guys act like there's nothing wrong with Biden having multiple secret documents spread around since he's willing to give them back right away. WTF!? He should have never had them in the first place, and with is ties to China, Ukraine and other foreign countries, I'm sure none of them benefited from this right?
 
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Trump has lies, I acknowledge that, but do not put Trump in the same category as Biden. Biden is WAY worse.
Eye of the beholder. You are well-entitled to your opinion, but I think you're in the minority on that one, mainly because of Trump, not because Biden is somehow okay.
 
Who gives a F if he obstructed or not. That's not the major issue. He never had the authority to have them in the first place. Trump did.
Have you read ANY of the court filings? In no way does Trump assert that he declassified the stuff he had or had authority to keep them at the Mar A Lago pool house.
 
Eye of the beholder. You are well-entitled to your opinion, but I think you're in the minority on that one, mainly because of Trump, not because Biden is somehow okay.
Dude, I know that the media had some ridiculous tally of "lies" Trump told, but a large majority of those "lies" were actually not lies. It's fukking ridiculous the nit picking and skewing of facts they did to make something seem like a lie when it wasn't.
 
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Have you read ANY of the court filings? In no way does Trump assert that he declassified the stuff he had or had authority to keep them at the Mar A Lago pool house.
He was president before hand was he not? The president has the authority to have these documents in hand, correct? Biden wasn't and didn't. End of argument.
 
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Dude, I know that the media had some ridiculous tally of "lies" Trump told, but a large majority of those "lies" were actually not lies. It's fukking ridiculous the nit picking and skewing of facts they did to make something seem like a lie when it wasn't.
Dude, like I said, eye of the beholder.

Here's an opening summary of some of Trump's greatest hits, errr, I mean "Michigan Man of the Year Trump's" greatest hits:


The most telling lie: It didn’t rain on his inauguration

Trump began his presidency by lying about the weather.

It rained during Trump’s inaugural address. Then, at a celebratory ball later that day, Trump told the crowd that the rain “just never came” until he finished talking and went inside, at which point “it poured.” This was the first lie of Trump’s presidency. Like his lies that same week about his inauguration crowd, it hinted at what would come next.

The most dangerous lie: The coronavirus was under control

This was more like a family of lies than a single lie. But each one – the lie that the virus was equivalent to the flu; the lie that the situation was “totally under control”; the lie that the virus was “disappearing” – suggested to Americans that they didn’t have to change much about their usual behavior.

The most alarming lie saga: Sharpiegate

Trump tweeted in 2019 that Alabama was one of the states at greater risk from Hurricane Dorian than had been initially forecast. The federal weather office in Birmingham then tweeted that, actually, Alabama would be unaffected by the storm. Not great, but fixable fast with a simple White House correction. Trump, however, is so congenitally unwilling to admit error that he embarked on an increasingly farcical campaign to prove that his incorrect Alabama tweet was actually correct, eventually showcasing a hurricane map that was crudely altered with a Sharpie.

The most ridiculous subject of a lie: The Boy Scouts

When I emailed the Boy Scouts of America in 2017 about Trump’s claim that “the head of the Boy Scouts” had called him to say that his bizarrely political address to the Scouts’ National Jamboree was “the greatest speech that was ever made to them,” I didn’t expect a reply. One of the hardest things about fact checking Trump was that a lot of people he lied about did not think it was in their interest to be quoted publicly contradicting a vengeful president.

The Boy Scouts did. A senior Scouts source – a phrase I never expected to have to type as a political reporter in Washington, DC – confirmed to me that no call ever happened.

The most boring lie: China Trade Deficit
Trump, an incorrigible exaggerator, rarely chose to use an accurate number when he could instead use an inaccurate bigger number. So he said well over 100 times that, before his presidency, the US for years had a $500 billion annual trade deficit with China – though the actual pre-Trump deficit never even reached $400 billion.


The most entertaining lie shtick: The burly crying men who had never cried before

They were almost always male. They were almost always large. They were almost always blue-collar. And, according to the President, they kept walking up to him crying tears of gratitude – even though they had almost always not previously cried for years. Trump’s series of Tears Stories – which sometimes doubled as “Sir” Stories – helped me understand his lying as a kind of performance art.

The stories were oddly grandiose, like something you’d hear from a two-bit foreign strongman. They were also pure shtick. Trump was like a touring stand-up comic, refining and re-using his favored dishonesty bits until they stopped working for him.

The most traditional big lie: Trump didn’t know about the payment to Stormy Daniels

He also lied when he needed to. When he told reporters on Air Force One in 2018 that he did not know about a $130,000 payment to porn performer Stormy Daniels and that he did not know where his then-attorney Michael Cohen got the money for the payment, it was both audacious – Trump knew, because he had personally reimbursed Cohen – and kind of conventional: the President was lying to try to get himself out of a tawdry scandal.

The biggest lie by omission: Trump ended family separation

Much of Trump’s lying was clumsy, half-baked. Some of it was almost art. Here’s what he told NBC’s Chuck Todd in 2019 about his widely controversial policy of separating migrant parents from their children at the border: “You know, under President Obama you had separation. I was the one that ended it.”

Yes, Trump signed a 2018 order to end the family separation policy. What he did not mention to Todd is that what he had ended was his own policy – a plan announced by his own attorney general that had made family separation standard rather than occasional, as it had been under Obama.

The most shameless campaign lie: Biden will destroy protections for pre-existing conditions

Trump’s re-election campaign was consistently and consciously dishonest, especially in its attempts to cast Joe Biden as a frightening radical. When Trump claimed in September that Biden would destroy protections for people with pre-existing health conditions – though the Obama-Biden administration created the protections, though the protections were overwhelmingly popular, though Biden was running on preserving them, and though Trump himself had tried repeatedly to weaken them – Trump was not merely lying but turning reality upside down.

The lie he fled: He got Veterans Choice

Trump could have told a perfectly good factual story about the Veterans Choice health care program Obama signed into law in 2014: it wasn’t good enough, so he replaced it with a more expansive program he signed into law in 2018.

That’s not the story he did tell – whether out of policy ignorance, a desire to erase Obama’s legacy, or simply because he is a liar. Instead, he claimed over and over – more than 160 times before I lost count – that he is the one who got the Veterans Choice program passed after other presidents tried and failed for years.

And why not stretch? He knew he probably wouldn’t be challenged by a press corps drowning in other Trump drama. It wasn’t until August 2020 that he was asked about the lie to his face. He promptly left the room.

The Crazy Uncle lie award: Windmill noise causes cancer

It was a problem for the country that the President was not only a conspiracy theorist himself but immersed in conspiracy culture, regularly stumbling upon ludicrous claims and then sharing them as fact.

For such a fierce critic of the media’s use of anonymous sources, Trump sure liked to use a lot of unnamed sources himself. His stories were full of nonsense he attributed to “people” or that he claimed “they” say. One of the most bonkers “they say” items: his 2019 declaration that “they say” the noise from windmills “causes cancer.”

The most hucksterish lie: That plan was coming in two weeks

Trump’s big health care plan was eternally coming in “two weeks.” So were a bunch of other plans and announcements.

Trump was once named Michigan’s Man of the Year

Trump has never lived in Michigan. Why would he have been named Michigan’s Man of the Year years before his presidency? He wouldn’t have been. He wasn’t. And yet this lie he appeared to have invented in the final week of his 2016 campaign became a staple of his 2020 campaign, repeated at Michigan rally after rally.

The most depressing lie: Trump won the election

Trump’s long White House campaign against verifiable reality has culminated with his lie that he is the true winner of the 2020 presidential election he clearly, certifiably and fairly lost. To many of us, it’s ludicrous nonsense. But to millions of deluded Americans, it’s the truth. And it has now gotten people killed.
 
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Dude, like I said, eye of the beholder.

Here's an opening summary of some of Trump's greatest hits, errr, I mean "Michigan Man of the Year Trump's" greatest hits:


The most telling lie: It didn’t rain on his inauguration

Trump began his presidency by lying about the weather.

It rained during Trump’s inaugural address. Then, at a celebratory ball later that day, Trump told the crowd that the rain “just never came” until he finished talking and went inside, at which point “it poured.” This was the first lie of Trump’s presidency. Like his lies that same week about his inauguration crowd, it hinted at what would come next.

The most dangerous lie: The coronavirus was under control

This was more like a family of lies than a single lie. But each one – the lie that the virus was equivalent to the flu; the lie that the situation was “totally under control”; the lie that the virus was “disappearing” – suggested to Americans that they didn’t have to change much about their usual behavior.

The most alarming lie saga: Sharpiegate

Trump tweeted in 2019 that Alabama was one of the states at greater risk from Hurricane Dorian than had been initially forecast. The federal weather office in Birmingham then tweeted that, actually, Alabama would be unaffected by the storm. Not great, but fixable fast with a simple White House correction. Trump, however, is so congenitally unwilling to admit error that he embarked on an increasingly farcical campaign to prove that his incorrect Alabama tweet was actually correct, eventually showcasing a hurricane map that was crudely altered with a Sharpie.

The most ridiculous subject of a lie: The Boy Scouts

When I emailed the Boy Scouts of America in 2017 about Trump’s claim that “the head of the Boy Scouts” had called him to say that his bizarrely political address to the Scouts’ National Jamboree was “the greatest speech that was ever made to them,” I didn’t expect a reply. One of the hardest things about fact checking Trump was that a lot of people he lied about did not think it was in their interest to be quoted publicly contradicting a vengeful president.

The Boy Scouts did. A senior Scouts source – a phrase I never expected to have to type as a political reporter in Washington, DC – confirmed to me that no call ever happened.

The most boring lie: China Trade Deficit
Trump, an incorrigible exaggerator, rarely chose to use an accurate number when he could instead use an inaccurate bigger number. So he said well over 100 times that, before his presidency, the US for years had a $500 billion annual trade deficit with China – though the actual pre-Trump deficit never even reached $400 billion.


The most entertaining lie shtick: The burly crying men who had never cried before

They were almost always male. They were almost always large. They were almost always blue-collar. And, according to the President, they kept walking up to him crying tears of gratitude – even though they had almost always not previously cried for years. Trump’s series of Tears Stories – which sometimes doubled as “Sir” Stories – helped me understand his lying as a kind of performance art.

The stories were oddly grandiose, like something you’d hear from a two-bit foreign strongman. They were also pure shtick. Trump was like a touring stand-up comic, refining and re-using his favored dishonesty bits until they stopped working for him.

The most traditional big lie: Trump didn’t know about the payment to Stormy Daniels

He also lied when he needed to. When he told reporters on Air Force One in 2018 that he did not know about a $130,000 payment to porn performer Stormy Daniels and that he did not know where his then-attorney Michael Cohen got the money for the payment, it was both audacious – Trump knew, because he had personally reimbursed Cohen – and kind of conventional: the President was lying to try to get himself out of a tawdry scandal.

The biggest lie by omission: Trump ended family separation

Much of Trump’s lying was clumsy, half-baked. Some of it was almost art. Here’s what he told NBC’s Chuck Todd in 2019 about his widely controversial policy of separating migrant parents from their children at the border: “You know, under President Obama you had separation. I was the one that ended it.”

Yes, Trump signed a 2018 order to end the family separation policy. What he did not mention to Todd is that what he had ended was his own policy – a plan announced by his own attorney general that had made family separation standard rather than occasional, as it had been under Obama.

The most shameless campaign lie: Biden will destroy protections for pre-existing conditions

Trump’s re-election campaign was consistently and consciously dishonest, especially in its attempts to cast Joe Biden as a frightening radical. When Trump claimed in September that Biden would destroy protections for people with pre-existing health conditions – though the Obama-Biden administration created the protections, though the protections were overwhelmingly popular, though Biden was running on preserving them, and though Trump himself had tried repeatedly to weaken them – Trump was not merely lying but turning reality upside down.

The lie he fled: He got Veterans Choice

Trump could have told a perfectly good factual story about the Veterans Choice health care program Obama signed into law in 2014: it wasn’t good enough, so he replaced it with a more expansive program he signed into law in 2018.

That’s not the story he did tell – whether out of policy ignorance, a desire to erase Obama’s legacy, or simply because he is a liar. Instead, he claimed over and over – more than 160 times before I lost count – that he is the one who got the Veterans Choice program passed after other presidents tried and failed for years.

And why not stretch? He knew he probably wouldn’t be challenged by a press corps drowning in other Trump drama. It wasn’t until August 2020 that he was asked about the lie to his face. He promptly left the room.

The Crazy Uncle lie award: Windmill noise causes cancer

It was a problem for the country that the President was not only a conspiracy theorist himself but immersed in conspiracy culture, regularly stumbling upon ludicrous claims and then sharing them as fact.

For such a fierce critic of the media’s use of anonymous sources, Trump sure liked to use a lot of unnamed sources himself. His stories were full of nonsense he attributed to “people” or that he claimed “they” say. One of the most bonkers “they say” items: his 2019 declaration that “they say” the noise from windmills “causes cancer.”

The most hucksterish lie: That plan was coming in two weeks

Trump’s big health care plan was eternally coming in “two weeks.” So were a bunch of other plans and announcements.

Trump was once named Michigan’s Man of the Year

Trump has never lived in Michigan. Why would he have been named Michigan’s Man of the Year years before his presidency? He wouldn’t have been. He wasn’t. And yet this lie he appeared to have invented in the final week of his 2016 campaign became a staple of his 2020 campaign, repeated at Michigan rally after rally.

The most depressing lie: Trump won the election

Trump’s long White House campaign against verifiable reality has culminated with his lie that he is the true winner of the 2020 presidential election he clearly, certifiably and fairly lost. To many of us, it’s ludicrous nonsense. But to millions of deluded Americans, it’s the truth. And it has now gotten people killed.

Most of those were pretty weak btw. Even the "most dangerous lie" wasn't some massive conspiracy.
 

Most of those were pretty weak btw. Even the "most dangerous lie" wasn't some massive conspiracy.
That's a credibly sourced, well-written article that you linked.

However, that article was written in 2018, long before the two frequently repeated and truly dangerous lies from Trump:
  1. Covid was under control and
  2. Trump won the election
 
No. Both Trump and Biden have a history of lying.

Not that Biden doesn't lie too, but you'd be hard-pressed to convince many people that Trump will ever be the runner-up in a lying contest.
Only in a quantitative contest. In qualitative lie competition, Joe is far ahead given that he told a major lie to get elected prez. Trump has not told any single lie that comes close to the negative impact on the nation of Joe's blatant lie about the laptop.
 
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Only in a quantitative contest. In qualitative lie competition, Joe is far ahead given that he told a major lie to get elected prez. Trump has not told any single lie that comes close to the negative impact on the nation of Joe's blatant lie about the laptop.

Sweet post, CrackeyHunterGuy.

Pretty sure 'The election was stolen and we have to fight or we're gonna lose the country' was a doozy for negative impact.


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Garland just appointed a Special Counsel to investigate. The appointee is a Trump appointed former (2018-21) US Attorney.

I'll be consistent with my take from Trump doing this: when this happens the federal government overwhelmingly is just really very, very motivated in getting their classified stuff back asap, and not to make a criminal case out of it.

Because of that primary objective, both Trump and Biden have a problem, and in both cases it relates to what happened when classified docs were discovered by Pres 45 & 46:

  • For Trump, the potential problem would be that he knew he had significantly more classified materials than had been produced, and threw a hissy fit and obstructed rather than hand them over.
  • For Biden, the potential problem would be that he already knew he had classified materials, but didn't tell anyone because mid-terms were approaching. In other words, again obstructing the recovery/production.
As others have said, find candidates that, while there will be policy and political disagreements, there will not be questions about integrity nor old-age mental capacity.
This is the most unbiased take I have read on the situation
 
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Probably should ask Joe biden how many classified documents “The Big Guy” let Hunter give the Chinese.

Oops, did I just type that.🫢

Hey, Hunter, can you move my Corvette.
 
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Dude, like I said, eye of the beholder.

Here's an opening summary of some of Trump's greatest hits, errr, I mean "Michigan Man of the Year Trump's" greatest hits:


The most telling lie: It didn’t rain on his inauguration

Trump began his presidency by lying about the weather.

It rained during Trump’s inaugural address. Then, at a celebratory ball later that day, Trump told the crowd that the rain “just never came” until he finished talking and went inside, at which point “it poured.” This was the first lie of Trump’s presidency. Like his lies that same week about his inauguration crowd, it hinted at what would come next.

The most dangerous lie: The coronavirus was under control

This was more like a family of lies than a single lie. But each one – the lie that the virus was equivalent to the flu; the lie that the situation was “totally under control”; the lie that the virus was “disappearing” – suggested to Americans that they didn’t have to change much about their usual behavior.

The most alarming lie saga: Sharpiegate

Trump tweeted in 2019 that Alabama was one of the states at greater risk from Hurricane Dorian than had been initially forecast. The federal weather office in Birmingham then tweeted that, actually, Alabama would be unaffected by the storm. Not great, but fixable fast with a simple White House correction. Trump, however, is so congenitally unwilling to admit error that he embarked on an increasingly farcical campaign to prove that his incorrect Alabama tweet was actually correct, eventually showcasing a hurricane map that was crudely altered with a Sharpie.

The most ridiculous subject of a lie: The Boy Scouts

When I emailed the Boy Scouts of America in 2017 about Trump’s claim that “the head of the Boy Scouts” had called him to say that his bizarrely political address to the Scouts’ National Jamboree was “the greatest speech that was ever made to them,” I didn’t expect a reply. One of the hardest things about fact checking Trump was that a lot of people he lied about did not think it was in their interest to be quoted publicly contradicting a vengeful president.

The Boy Scouts did. A senior Scouts source – a phrase I never expected to have to type as a political reporter in Washington, DC – confirmed to me that no call ever happened.

The most boring lie: China Trade Deficit
Trump, an incorrigible exaggerator, rarely chose to use an accurate number when he could instead use an inaccurate bigger number. So he said well over 100 times that, before his presidency, the US for years had a $500 billion annual trade deficit with China – though the actual pre-Trump deficit never even reached $400 billion.


The most entertaining lie shtick: The burly crying men who had never cried before

They were almost always male. They were almost always large. They were almost always blue-collar. And, according to the President, they kept walking up to him crying tears of gratitude – even though they had almost always not previously cried for years. Trump’s series of Tears Stories – which sometimes doubled as “Sir” Stories – helped me understand his lying as a kind of performance art.

The stories were oddly grandiose, like something you’d hear from a two-bit foreign strongman. They were also pure shtick. Trump was like a touring stand-up comic, refining and re-using his favored dishonesty bits until they stopped working for him.

The most traditional big lie: Trump didn’t know about the payment to Stormy Daniels

He also lied when he needed to. When he told reporters on Air Force One in 2018 that he did not know about a $130,000 payment to porn performer Stormy Daniels and that he did not know where his then-attorney Michael Cohen got the money for the payment, it was both audacious – Trump knew, because he had personally reimbursed Cohen – and kind of conventional: the President was lying to try to get himself out of a tawdry scandal.

The biggest lie by omission: Trump ended family separation

Much of Trump’s lying was clumsy, half-baked. Some of it was almost art. Here’s what he told NBC’s Chuck Todd in 2019 about his widely controversial policy of separating migrant parents from their children at the border: “You know, under President Obama you had separation. I was the one that ended it.”

Yes, Trump signed a 2018 order to end the family separation policy. What he did not mention to Todd is that what he had ended was his own policy – a plan announced by his own attorney general that had made family separation standard rather than occasional, as it had been under Obama.

The most shameless campaign lie: Biden will destroy protections for pre-existing conditions

Trump’s re-election campaign was consistently and consciously dishonest, especially in its attempts to cast Joe Biden as a frightening radical. When Trump claimed in September that Biden would destroy protections for people with pre-existing health conditions – though the Obama-Biden administration created the protections, though the protections were overwhelmingly popular, though Biden was running on preserving them, and though Trump himself had tried repeatedly to weaken them – Trump was not merely lying but turning reality upside down.

The lie he fled: He got Veterans Choice

Trump could have told a perfectly good factual story about the Veterans Choice health care program Obama signed into law in 2014: it wasn’t good enough, so he replaced it with a more expansive program he signed into law in 2018.

That’s not the story he did tell – whether out of policy ignorance, a desire to erase Obama’s legacy, or simply because he is a liar. Instead, he claimed over and over – more than 160 times before I lost count – that he is the one who got the Veterans Choice program passed after other presidents tried and failed for years.

And why not stretch? He knew he probably wouldn’t be challenged by a press corps drowning in other Trump drama. It wasn’t until August 2020 that he was asked about the lie to his face. He promptly left the room.

The Crazy Uncle lie award: Windmill noise causes cancer

It was a problem for the country that the President was not only a conspiracy theorist himself but immersed in conspiracy culture, regularly stumbling upon ludicrous claims and then sharing them as fact.

For such a fierce critic of the media’s use of anonymous sources, Trump sure liked to use a lot of unnamed sources himself. His stories were full of nonsense he attributed to “people” or that he claimed “they” say. One of the most bonkers “they say” items: his 2019 declaration that “they say” the noise from windmills “causes cancer.”

The most hucksterish lie: That plan was coming in two weeks

Trump’s big health care plan was eternally coming in “two weeks.” So were a bunch of other plans and announcements.

Trump was once named Michigan’s Man of the Year

Trump has never lived in Michigan. Why would he have been named Michigan’s Man of the Year years before his presidency? He wouldn’t have been. He wasn’t. And yet this lie he appeared to have invented in the final week of his 2016 campaign became a staple of his 2020 campaign, repeated at Michigan rally after rally.

The most depressing lie: Trump won the election

Trump’s long White House campaign against verifiable reality has culminated with his lie that he is the true winner of the 2020 presidential election he clearly, certifiably and fairly lost. To many of us, it’s ludicrous nonsense. But to millions of deluded Americans, it’s the truth. And it has now gotten people killed.
Did you plagiarize this from somewhere? Just because Joe is a serial plagiarizer doesn't mean it is ok for you to do it.
 
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True, earlier today I replied to Ted and now to you.

If Bob or puf comes in, it will make it a triple stack of stupid posters to reply to all in one day.
Nope. You just doubled down on stupid again.
It’s not the fact that you’re replying that is stupid. It’s what you are saying.

I guess you’re not smart enough to understand that.

I’m guessing it’s all the crack that your crackey Hunter guy brain has absorbed that’s causing these problems.
 
Don't be so hard on yourself.

Speaking of stupid, do you keep important personal documents in your garage? Deed to you house and the like? If so, follow the example of Joe and keep the garage door locked.
Hey all — watch me scare CrackeyHunterGuy:

HEY CRACKEYHUNTERGUY, LOOK OUT! THE REAL HUNTER BIDEN IS RIGHT BEHIN…

naw, CrackeyHunterGuy, we were just joking 🙃 . Now you go breathe into a paper bag and soothe your crackey nerves
 
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Dude, like I said, eye of the beholder.

Here's an opening summary of some of Trump's greatest hits, errr, I mean "Michigan Man of the Year Trump's" greatest hits:


The most telling lie: It didn’t rain on his inauguration

Trump began his presidency by lying about the weather.

It rained during Trump’s inaugural address. Then, at a celebratory ball later that day, Trump told the crowd that the rain “just never came” until he finished talking and went inside, at which point “it poured.” This was the first lie of Trump’s presidency. Like his lies that same week about his inauguration crowd, it hinted at what would come next.

The most dangerous lie: The coronavirus was under control

This was more like a family of lies than a single lie. But each one – the lie that the virus was equivalent to the flu; the lie that the situation was “totally under control”; the lie that the virus was “disappearing” – suggested to Americans that they didn’t have to change much about their usual behavior.

The most alarming lie saga: Sharpiegate

Trump tweeted in 2019 that Alabama was one of the states at greater risk from Hurricane Dorian than had been initially forecast. The federal weather office in Birmingham then tweeted that, actually, Alabama would be unaffected by the storm. Not great, but fixable fast with a simple White House correction. Trump, however, is so congenitally unwilling to admit error that he embarked on an increasingly farcical campaign to prove that his incorrect Alabama tweet was actually correct, eventually showcasing a hurricane map that was crudely altered with a Sharpie.

The most ridiculous subject of a lie: The Boy Scouts

When I emailed the Boy Scouts of America in 2017 about Trump’s claim that “the head of the Boy Scouts” had called him to say that his bizarrely political address to the Scouts’ National Jamboree was “the greatest speech that was ever made to them,” I didn’t expect a reply. One of the hardest things about fact checking Trump was that a lot of people he lied about did not think it was in their interest to be quoted publicly contradicting a vengeful president.

The Boy Scouts did. A senior Scouts source – a phrase I never expected to have to type as a political reporter in Washington, DC – confirmed to me that no call ever happened.

The most boring lie: China Trade Deficit
Trump, an incorrigible exaggerator, rarely chose to use an accurate number when he could instead use an inaccurate bigger number. So he said well over 100 times that, before his presidency, the US for years had a $500 billion annual trade deficit with China – though the actual pre-Trump deficit never even reached $400 billion.


The most entertaining lie shtick: The burly crying men who had never cried before

They were almost always male. They were almost always large. They were almost always blue-collar. And, according to the President, they kept walking up to him crying tears of gratitude – even though they had almost always not previously cried for years. Trump’s series of Tears Stories – which sometimes doubled as “Sir” Stories – helped me understand his lying as a kind of performance art.

The stories were oddly grandiose, like something you’d hear from a two-bit foreign strongman. They were also pure shtick. Trump was like a touring stand-up comic, refining and re-using his favored dishonesty bits until they stopped working for him.

The most traditional big lie: Trump didn’t know about the payment to Stormy Daniels

He also lied when he needed to. When he told reporters on Air Force One in 2018 that he did not know about a $130,000 payment to porn performer Stormy Daniels and that he did not know where his then-attorney Michael Cohen got the money for the payment, it was both audacious – Trump knew, because he had personally reimbursed Cohen – and kind of conventional: the President was lying to try to get himself out of a tawdry scandal.

The biggest lie by omission: Trump ended family separation

Much of Trump’s lying was clumsy, half-baked. Some of it was almost art. Here’s what he told NBC’s Chuck Todd in 2019 about his widely controversial policy of separating migrant parents from their children at the border: “You know, under President Obama you had separation. I was the one that ended it.”

Yes, Trump signed a 2018 order to end the family separation policy. What he did not mention to Todd is that what he had ended was his own policy – a plan announced by his own attorney general that had made family separation standard rather than occasional, as it had been under Obama.

The most shameless campaign lie: Biden will destroy protections for pre-existing conditions

Trump’s re-election campaign was consistently and consciously dishonest, especially in its attempts to cast Joe Biden as a frightening radical. When Trump claimed in September that Biden would destroy protections for people with pre-existing health conditions – though the Obama-Biden administration created the protections, though the protections were overwhelmingly popular, though Biden was running on preserving them, and though Trump himself had tried repeatedly to weaken them – Trump was not merely lying but turning reality upside down.

The lie he fled: He got Veterans Choice

Trump could have told a perfectly good factual story about the Veterans Choice health care program Obama signed into law in 2014: it wasn’t good enough, so he replaced it with a more expansive program he signed into law in 2018.

That’s not the story he did tell – whether out of policy ignorance, a desire to erase Obama’s legacy, or simply because he is a liar. Instead, he claimed over and over – more than 160 times before I lost count – that he is the one who got the Veterans Choice program passed after other presidents tried and failed for years.

And why not stretch? He knew he probably wouldn’t be challenged by a press corps drowning in other Trump drama. It wasn’t until August 2020 that he was asked about the lie to his face. He promptly left the room.

The Crazy Uncle lie award: Windmill noise causes cancer

It was a problem for the country that the President was not only a conspiracy theorist himself but immersed in conspiracy culture, regularly stumbling upon ludicrous claims and then sharing them as fact.

For such a fierce critic of the media’s use of anonymous sources, Trump sure liked to use a lot of unnamed sources himself. His stories were full of nonsense he attributed to “people” or that he claimed “they” say. One of the most bonkers “they say” items: his 2019 declaration that “they say” the noise from windmills “causes cancer.”

The most hucksterish lie: That plan was coming in two weeks

Trump’s big health care plan was eternally coming in “two weeks.” So were a bunch of other plans and announcements.

Trump was once named Michigan’s Man of the Year

Trump has never lived in Michigan. Why would he have been named Michigan’s Man of the Year years before his presidency? He wouldn’t have been. He wasn’t. And yet this lie he appeared to have invented in the final week of his 2016 campaign became a staple of his 2020 campaign, repeated at Michigan rally after rally.

The most depressing lie: Trump won the election

Trump’s long White House campaign against verifiable reality has culminated with his lie that he is the true winner of the 2020 presidential election he clearly, certifiably and fairly lost. To many of us, it’s ludicrous nonsense. But to millions of deluded Americans, it’s the truth. And it has now gotten people killed.
Can't find a better source to plagiarize from than CNN, Joe?
 
I don’t invent Trump quotes CrackeyHunterGuy, They are out there for all to read.

Does Trump lying get you all hot & bothered? Does Trump saying “COVID is under control” make you excited? You are smitten and obsessed with the “Michigan Man of the Year!”

You are thinking about a Donnie/Hunter/CrackeyHunterGuy romp!

You must calm your barely there CrackeyHunterGuy teeny tiny mind, or what is left of it.
 
I don’t invent Trump quotes CrackeyHunterGuy, They are out there for all to read.

Does Trump lying get you all hot & bothered? Does Trump saying “COVID is under control” make you excited? You are smitten and obsessed with the “Michigan Man of the Year!”

You are thinking about a Donnie/Hunter/CrackeyHunterGuy romp!

You must calm your barely there CrackeyHunterGuy teeny tiny mind, or what is left of it.
Plagiarist.
 
Why?

Do we know he has obstructed the investigation? Do we know he lied about how many documents he has? Did he knowingly take them? Was there intent? The answer is yes to all four questions with trump.

Given what we know, neither will be prosecuted for having the documents. It’s happened across republican and democratic administrations since Carter. But if one lied about it and was uncooperative about returning them, different story.
The applicable sections of The Presidential Records Act and the statutes associated with Biden’s mishandling of classified documents do not include “intent.” Learn the applicable US Code before commenting on it.

But why start now huh?
 
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Have you read ANY of the court filings? In no way does Trump assert that he declassified the stuff he had or had authority to keep them at the Mar A Lago pool house.
The hypocrisy of the left libbies and Dems never ceases to amaze me.
You don’t really care that Biden, as VP, was in possession of highly classified documents that he wasn’t supposed to have.
It was just an “0ops…”
And of course you lemmings believe that he didn’t know he had them because….well, you’re ignorant and will believe anything he says.
 
I don’t invent Trump quotes CrackeyHunterGuy, They are out there for all to read.

Does Trump lying get you all hot & bothered? Does Trump saying “COVID is under control” make you excited? You are smitten and obsessed with the “Michigan Man of the Year!”

You are thinking about a Donnie/Hunter/CrackeyHunterGuy romp!

You must calm your barely there CrackeyHunterGuy teeny tiny mind, or what is left of it.
Typical lefty lib…you lose the debate and have to resort to name calling.
You’re cut straight from the same mold at Purduefan1 and Indy35, oh.. and Bob.
 
Typical lefty lib…you lose the debate and have to resort to name calling.
You’re cut straight from the same mold at Purduefan1 and Indy35, oh.. and Bob.
You are mis-labeling me if you think I’m a “lefty-lib.”

In fact, I defy you to quote ONE SINGLE POST OF MINE that in any way promotes left/liberal policies.

Go ahead, I’ll wait.
 
The hypocrisy of the left libbies and Dems never ceases to amaze me.
You don’t really care that Biden, as VP, was in possession of highly classified documents that he wasn’t supposed to have.
It was just an “0ops…”
And of course you lemmings believe that he didn’t know he had them because….well, you’re ignorant and will believe anything he says.
I defy you to (fully) quote ONE SINGLE POST OF MINE where I expressed that it would be acceptable or different from Trump if Biden knowingly had and did not return similarly classified materials.

Go ahead, I’ll wait.
 
Who gives a F if he obstructed or not. That's not the major issue. He never had the authority to have them in the first place. Trump did.

You guys act like there's nothing wrong with Biden having multiple secret documents spread around since he's willing to give them back right away. WTF!? He should have never had them in the first place, and with is ties to China, Ukraine and other foreign countries, I'm sure none of them benefited from this right?
Because Obstruction of Justice is a real crime, especially when committed by a president. Did you you really just say you don’t give a F if an elected official obstructed Justice?

No, trump didn’t have the authority to have them just because he has the authority to declassify them. Are you making this shit up?

There is absolutely something wrong with Biden having the documents. The Special Council is warranted and the entire matter should be investigated.

See how we are different? You’re saying YOUR guy can take the documents and obstruct the investigation into them and that’s just fine. I’m saying both should be investigated.
 
The biggest issue here is:

Trump was president and has/had the authority to declassify if he see's fit. Maybe he didn't, but he had the power to do so.

Biden wasn't president yet. Has/had NO business having any classified documents. This is a MUCH bigger issue and crime by a long shot.
Yes, the MSM is neglecting the fact the Biden had Classified Documents, in an unsecure location, while he was nothing more than a citizen. No more-right to the information than you or I.
All former Presidents have taken documents with them when they leave office. In Trumps case
he had some classified information that he insists he declassified-prior to taking them.
Regardless the Trump documents were in a safe, secure location. The Biden documents were not.
 
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Because Obstruction of Justice is a real crime, especially when committed by a president. Did you you really just say you don’t give a F if an elected official obstructed Justice?

No, trump didn’t have the authority to have them just because he has the authority to declassify them. Are you making this shit up?

There is absolutely something wrong with Biden having the documents. The Special Council is warranted and the entire matter should be investigated.

See how we are different? You’re saying YOUR guy can take the documents and obstruct the investigation into them and that’s just fine. I’m saying both should be investigated.
Obstruction of Justice is the ONLY thing the Dems can get Trump on.
Its going to be hard to make that case when the documents were reviewed by multiple authorized individuals multiple times prior to the raid.
 
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The applicable sections of The Presidential Records Act and the statutes associated with Biden’s mishandling of classified documents do not include “intent.” Learn the applicable US Code before commenting on it.

But why start now huh?
Wtf are you talking about?

Most crimes require actual intent. You know that right?
 
More found in his Delaware home. Where's the FBI raid? Raid every property he owns!
When he lies about having them, refuses to give them back, then agrees but doesn’t give them all back and claims he has, then there would be a search warrant generated and executed. You guys always forget about the circumstances because it destroys your narrative.
 
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Where's the raid? Where's the investigation? Where are the liberal crybabies? Impeach! Treeeeezuuuun!
There is no raid because Biden notified the archives when they were discovered. Trump refused to turn over the documents after several subpoenas requesting them. It not hard to understand the difference if you keep an open mind.
 
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There is no raid because Biden notified the archives when they were discovered. Trump refused to turn over the documents after several subpoenas requesting them. It not hard to understand the difference if you keep an open mind.
It's different when it's meeee. Joe's been in possession of these for a decade!
 
There is no raid because Biden notified the archives when they were discovered. Trump refused to turn over the documents after several subpoenas requesting them. It not hard to understand the difference if you keep an open mind.
I thought the difference was because Joe is a Democrat.
 
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Typical lefty lib…you lose the debate and have to resort to name calling.
You’re cut straight from the same mold at Purduefan1 and Indy35, oh.. and Bob.

You are mis-labeling me if you think I’m a “lefty-lib.”

In fact, I defy you to quote ONE SINGLE POST OF MINE that in any way promotes left/liberal policies.

Go ahead, I’ll wait.
Still waiting.
 
The hypocrisy of the left libbies and Dems never ceases to amaze me.
You don’t really care that Biden, as VP, was in possession of highly classified documents that he wasn’t supposed to have.
It was just an “0ops…”
And of course you lemmings believe that he didn’t know he had them because….well, you’re ignorant and will believe anything he says.

I defy you to (fully) quote ONE SINGLE POST OF MINE where I expressed that it would be acceptable or different from Trump if Biden knowingly had and did not return similarly classified materials.

Go ahead, I’ll wait.
Still waiting on this one too.
 
There is no raid because Biden notified the archives when they were discovered. Trump refused to turn over the documents after several subpoenas requesting them. It not hard to understand the difference if you keep an open mind.
So in your "open" lol mind, it's better to keep them for 10 plus years scattered around your business interests/properties? That's not open minded, more like warped.
 
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