Isaiah in the portal
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Thompson must have been very unhappy to leave as he did. Remember, there is no established point guard at Purdue next year except Smith, who is not even on campus at this time. I cannot believe that Painter encouraged this departure; he accepted it but I do not think that he viewed it positively. Smith could get hurt in AAU or practice, leaving no PG. It is expected that Purdue will get a PG via portal but that is not a given. And that assumes the PG gotten is better than Thompson - either on the court or in the locker room. At the moment, the risk to Painter is very high with Thompson leaving. Plus, if Painter did encourage it, he risks alienating a staff member. Even as a backup, Thompson was likely to get minutes next year.
Thompson leaves on his own; I do not believe that he was "painted over" as the risk was simply too great.
Thompson leaves on his own; I do not believe that he was "painted over" as the risk was simply too great.
Isaiah in the porta-john?
Painted into a corner?
“And you want to be my new latex salesman.”
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2018-19 team has shown that Painter can adapt to a team without a dominant post presence.
I think that's how the team makeup could be going with Dra and Colvin combining with Furst and Berg at the 5. It takes time to change a system, especially in college where roster turnover is a lot harder to manipulate. This team should have shown him that you need to have the balance between this years offensive performances and the defensive prowess of previous teams. We've had teams that could shutdown other teams but couldn't score at all and now a team that could score at will in 95% of games but struggled to get a stop
Damn! A rational and well thought through post. Well done!
This matches my perspective as well. There is little doubt that Painter would not want his senior PG leaving the program when there is no experienced player at that position for next year.
Let's say Painter had a commitment from a portal PG that was terricific, and had a proven backup. Then I might beleive that he would be okay with IT leaving. He doesn't have any of that so I think arc has nailed it. This is not a Creaning of any sort. IT just wanted to leave the program.
This was definitely not a "Painter/Purdue" decision...he was not asked to leave certainly.
Never mind anything else about/with Smith...first, he IS injured, and, has to recover...then, he is a freshman...undersized...not the ideal solution at the position, yet, at the moment, aside of moving Morton there, the only alternative/option.
Purdue will definitely add a PG...it flat has to now essentially, especially if Morton is not moving to PG.
Thompson got minutes for 3 years...he would have gotten minutes next year as well....to the dismay of some, he might have gotten a ton of minutes.
TKR and CF starting front court would look great for a deep NCAA Tourney run!
Braden Smith is gonna be REALLY good for Purdue! Just a gut feeling. He will get Purdue to the FF and maybe more during his time.
Who was the dude from Mississippi State who went on some wild run and constantly trashed talked the crowd?
That is who I can see Smith being.
I see a frontcourt for 22-23 of Edey, Gillis and TKR with Furst replacing Edey a la Williams. In order to be a successful pro prospect, Edey must improve his quickness and stamina. Edey is tough down low, Gillis is an established rebounder and 3-point shot maker. TKR assumes the position of shooting/small forward, even though tall for the position.PG next year is an open question depending upon Smith and the portal. Newman should have an open track to the SG position. I see Morton as defensive backcourt specialist and Loyer as a 3-pt specialist similar to Cline and Sasha early in their time at Purdue. Waddell will be a second team replacement in the frontcourt.
Yes it would be bully ball inside...kinda like all the games used to be...at least initially. Had it been a priority I think both could have developed a face up game out as far as Teske...and the lane 3 sec gets reset with every shot and so as long as they played slap ball off the glass until they drew a foul or made a basket it would be fine with me. Most offenses against a zone pretty much end up with 3 out and 2 in. Certainly if it didn't draw any fouls, get a few easy putbacks and make it very difficult on the other teams bigs you wouldn't play it long. I just saw Trevion farther out on D and not get burnt as bad as most thought he would and so I wasn't as afraid on the D side and questioned if on the right occasions it was a look that could be used in spots.
I'm one that believes that people can learn to shoot the ball if they want. Certainly there are physical limitations like Trevion and Zach's hand size, but we wouldn't be looking for 3 point shooters and Teske would probably be a good comparison. It would be a situational thing in my mind where I wanted to increase the boards and put immense pressure on their inside player (s). Naturally, they would have to be effective enough to counter the potential extra point from behind the arc or they wouldn't last...but that is probably a max of 3 or 4 extra points due to the three and did they make that up inside with 2s and fouls? Obviously when you play three out instead of four you give a bit more space behind the arc since you only have three players behind the arc instead of four...but you also make it harder to drive with the increased density around the lane. Now are you more or less likely to pull help off the perimeter shooters if you start to really dominate the inside...that situation might lose some effectiveness for Jaden (but we saw them flood the lane when he had the ball anyway), but might increase the 3 ball for the others. It didn't happen and I'm fine with it. My hope is that when we have Caleb and Trey we are able to move a bit less out of sets and a bit more into motion with those two interchanging between perimeter and inside play depending on who has each. Anyway, that is how I thought it could go...as a situational thing to accomplish a certain task stategically.
My 2 cents, it will be hard to keep Edey and TKR on the floor at the same time, especially if TKR is playing the 3 (which means Gillis or Furst is on the floor too). Just too limited defensively with a mobility/quickness deficit at multiple positions. Think we will see a lot of Edey+Gillis and Furst+TKR frontcourt combos. The 2 and 3 positions are mostly interchangeable with Morton and Newman getting first shot at minutes, followed by whichever freshman (Loyer/Heide) is most game ready. Stud PG transfer to start and get 30+ minutes.
I see your point re defensive issues. But, I am thinking offensive problems in what you described. Newman is a question mark at this time. Furst is not really an outside shooter. Morton is not really either. TKR is supposed to be. So who among the starters is the shooter if not TKR? (That assumes we see a Newman similar to the 2021-22 Newman.)
I think Furst will surprise you with his outside shooting. He shot over 42% from 3 as a freshman, which is no small feat, especially when you consider he only got <1 attempt per game. It also might surprise you that both Morton and Furst shot a higher % from 3 this year than Gillis... and MUCH better than Gillis did his freshman year.
It is the small sample size that has me concerned in the case of both Furst and Morton. I am not sure how much we can draw upon from their previous percentages.
Very good. I have lost 4 people I knew and another that was not successful. There isn't enough time for me to state all my thoughts on this. The four that were successful was due to a girl friend or wife contemplating divorce...except one was work pressure. I believe all would be alive today had they not been as impulsive. I don't know why some more than others need to feel okay...approved always chasing the approval from others instead of just passing the mirror test and only needing the love from a few. Based upon the Columbine shootings, some psychologists believe there had not been a mechanism in play for these youngsters to learn at a younger age soem disappointments to develop some coping skills when things got tougher. Still we see it now where people seek that approval from others in social media and so forth. Anyway, it was a good read, but as you said a sorry read. The families, those that love so very much those that end it are left in devestation always wondering, always questioning why they didn't see this or that or do this or that tormented the rest of their lives. I even saw it... not a suicide but a death of a freshman in 2000 at Purdue that I have mentioned in the past and was quoted in the exponent who died of an overdose...bright student...loved...was taking algebra as a fifth grader (real algebra) whose mother was a drug counselor...questioning how she could miss such a thing...and after his death stating that the things that people try to tell those parents and loved ones doesn't help...it just doesn't help she would say. They just have to learn to cope. They may heal enough to seem as though they have it all together, but that wound has left a scar.Spot on...
Had a couple of at length conversation on this matter yesterday/last night...the whole idea that we as fans see a kid play a game twice a week and can trash him for his effort or performance, or, shortcomings as we see them...and I am admittedly guilty at times as well (although, consciously not as much, and, just being a parent changes that as well I think...especially of an athlete)...but, these guys do have classes...and families...and significant others....and social lives...and pretty much nobody acknowledges it. That does not even account for the genuine time/effort commitment outside of the actual practices and games.
The "student-athlete" model is broken at many/most places, and, we as fans don't help in ANY way. For that matter, even worse in my mind and more to my chagrin, it has filtered down now to the HS level at many places.
I am bothered admittedly about Isaiah leaving, but, I am WAY more bothered by just knowing the frame of mind he had to be in and the extent of unhappiness he had to be having to make his decision and announcement as soon as he did.
There was a story just recently on a morning news program that I am not even embarrassed to say brought tears to my eyes as I watched and listened...it only further impressed upon me what we are discussing here.
Former Ohio St. football player delivers powerful message to anyone struggling with depression
"I would just say hope is just pretending to believe in something until one day you don’t have to pretend any more," former Buckeyes player Harry Miller said.www.today.com
Many years ago I was asked if I would coach some youngsters in a community center and to take a couple of kids that had little parental support to help them. They were a bit wild, but I would go and pick them up and then take them back close to home and let them out. They just got me close to their home...never to their house and the man that asked me to do that for them just said they never had proper direction and hoped I could help them just a bit. I learned many years later...one shot a man in the face and went to prison I think the man survived and I don't know the story behind what happened or if the person is out of prison by now. Lastly, I was asked by another if I would go to a jail and speak to a person that I had no knowledge of...never heard of him or knew anyone in his background and such...just a favor for someone that said he had no one. Let me tell you meeting a person for the first time, not knowing any of his background, friends or family (I can't remember what he why he was there), but trying to provide a bit of hope in a man of despair totally unaware of what buttons to push and not push was an awkward condition for me without any background other than he had nobody to visit him. Life is tough and sadly for some... too tough...
I'm guessing, Beef, you're thinking of Marshall Henderson from Mississippi ("Ole Miss"). His act at Auburn became legendary.
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That’s the one. Didn’t realize Mississippi had 2 colleges in state.I'm guessing, Beef, you're thinking of Marshall Henderson from Mississippi ("Ole Miss"). His act at Auburn became legendary.
I don't think we will see that. I think you will see a confident person that will not back down ,that lives for big moments, but I don't think he is one to rub it in another's face. I will say that when Fletcher was down on the court with a ball and Braden dove into him and the ball, the facial expression Fletcher gave to Braden was something like we are going to be teammates and you didn't have to go after the ball that rough. It was a bit rough, but I know Braden and his father are very respectful of Fletcher and his father. It was just a game to see who advanced...
I laugh...not at you, but being aware of the historical low test scores for the state that when I saw you were surprised there were at least 2 colleges if was funny thinking you might wonder where they would get the students.
Purdue needs IT’s scholarship, he’d be a 9th/10th man here next season, Purdue needs a PG that can step in and play now, I would actually like for Hunter to reconsider and return.
Sad things amongst that post...like say, that Harry Miller story would (or should) make anyone think.Very good. I have lost 4 people I knew and another that was not successful. There isn't enough time for me to state all my thoughts on this. The four that were successful was due to a girl friend or wife contemplating divorce...except one was work pressure. I believe all would be alive today had they not been as impulsive. I don't know why some more than others need to feel okay...approved always chasing the approval from others instead of just passing the mirror test and only needing the love from a few. Based upon the Columbine shootings, some psychologists believe there had not been a mechanism in play for these youngsters to learn at a younger age soem disappointments to develop some coping skills when things got tougher. Still we see it now where people seek that approval from others in social media and so forth. Anyway, it was a good read, but as you said a sorry read. The families, those that love so very much those that end it are left in devestation always wondering, always questioning why they didn't see this or that or do this or that tormented the rest of their lives. I even saw it... not a suicide but a death of a freshman in 2000 at Purdue that I have mentioned in the past and was quoted in the exponent who died of an overdose...bright student...loved...was taking algebra as a fifth grader (real algebra) whose mother was a drug counselor...questioning how she could miss such a thing...and after his death stating that the things that people try to tell those parents and loved ones doesn't help...it just doesn't help she would say. They just have to learn to cope. They may heal enough to seem as though they have it all together, but that wound has left a scar.
Many years ago I was asked if I would coach some youngsters in a community center and to take a couple of kids that had little parental support to help them. They were a bit wild, but I would go and pick them up and then take them back close to home and let them out. They just got me close to their home...never to their house and the man that asked me to do that for them just said they never had proper direction and hoped I could help them just a bit. I learned many years later...one shot a man in the face and went to prison I think the man survived and I don't know the story behind what happened or if the person is out of prison by now. Lastly, I was asked by another if I would go to a jail and speak to a person that I had no knowledge of...never heard of him or knew anyone in his background and such...just a favor for someone that said he had no one. Let me tell you meeting a person for the first time, not knowing any of his background, friends or family (I can't remember what he why he was there), but trying to provide a bit of hope in a man of despair totally unaware of what buttons to push and not push was an awkward condition for me without any background other than he had nobody to visit him. Life is tough and sadly for some... too tough...
Like say, easy for us to bash guys because they had a bad night...who knows what else they have going on? They have plenty though, and, it does not even account for something like Harry Miller had...while that story was pretty tremendous, the best part was when Carson Daly pointed out that they were glad that he was here to tell it, opposed to them telling it about him.
I was at a practice earlier, and, I know that when it ended...one of the guys was going to go out with his family, but, he could not until he and another had completed a project that they had, and, the other was staying after to do some individual things...it was a Saturday...huge game on Sunday...and, guys wanting to do dinner with family before hanging out that night, and, had a project to complete that was due by midnight...but, to us, we just assume that they spend all week preparing for the 2/3 games that they have...some guys have legitimate families of their own for that matter.
Some tough situations that you dealt with...you touched on something so relevant today...there has always been a need in general for acceptance, or, in finding value from it...but, it is far more so the case today and social media has had a significant impact...that whole notion of some letdowns/learning experiences so as to develop some coping skills is accurate, but, sometimes, and for some, they simply can't cope...and, in the younger ones in particular, they don't understand the permanence of some decisions, or, they, as you said, act impulsively.
I admire some of those things that you did...I can't say that I have done the same, but, I have relished coaching or mentoring or just being there for friends of my kids who did not have a male figure or Dad to help them or what not...my wife jokes all of the time about how she can't recognize some kids today that were so little before, but, I know ALL of them...and, I do...as, I remember what it meant to me to have some of those people/coaches, and, I wanted to be like that hopefully for some others because of it.
Class act , never a negative moment. Good luck wherever the road takes you
I've seen more heartache than I wished and can't figure out why some need that peer group acceptance as much as they do...but some do. Things that you mention and values that I hold are some of the things I appreciate about Matt. The game is so much bigger than putting a ball through the hoop...even though I like the game quite a lot. Morning come early...
I am sad that Isaiah entered the portal. He was a hard worker, great teammate, and was very mature in his approach. He exhibited class and character on and off the court. He had a beautiful shot. He could be counted on at the free throw line. (He even beat Brad Steven's Zionsville record in High School.) For a long period of time this season, he handled the ball w/o turnovers. He never pouted about losing his starting position. I will be following his career next year and cheering for him wherever he lands. I hope he was able to complete his degree - he has been a good role model and a true Boilermaker - just as his brother P.J. is today. Isaiah will be a success in life and wish him all the best in his future endeavors.
Might want to go see your Dr about your gut because I'm not sure why the 30th best point guard in his class is going to take us were guys like Glenn Robinson, Carsen Edwards, Jaden Ivey, E'twaun Moore and Biggie couldn't.
If he does, he's going to need a lot of help.
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You need guards who can score, not just pass. You need guys who you can give the ball to and say "go get me a bucket" (like an Ivey or Edwards).
I heard a great line on the radio the other day which was "Purdue is predictable, which makes them preventable"
Keep in mind, this is a business decision for both Painter and IT, it's nothing personal. Painter has seen enough of IT to know what he's going to get and it's not like IT is going to come back in the fall at 6'3, 210. He'll still be 5'11, 155, and with the same limitations he had this year.
I like Furst in the starting line up as it creates better spacing, better shooting, a pick n pop option and more transition buckets.
PU can still be solid next year, but Painter needs to find a stud PG (who can score) and another ball handling shooting guard to compete with Newman for minutes.
He did just win Mr. Basketball in the State of Indiana. He will have plenty of help. And guard play is so important in March Madness. Having DGL and Colvin looks very good, too. If Purdue can get Pack from KSU, look out. Not to mention a TON of skill with Waddell, Kaufman, Furst, Loyer, Heide, Morton, and even Berg dribbling full court for a dunk. Have not even mentioned Newman, yet. He is a wildcard that could turn out great. We know what Gillis brings. Future looks very bright for Purdue. I still think Braden will be a BIG piece for Purdue. You can't teach leadership and toughness, and this young man has both! Purdue will get to the FF, I just hope they can win a NC. Go Boilers!
Let's not forget Edey. He may help some.
For sure. He WAS going to get prime time minutes here where his brother played and now coaches and his family has 10 years of personal experience with. And there is no one else that he looks at thinks "that guy is getting all the minutes" ala Jayden this year.
He seems to get along well with all his teammates and by all accounts is a good student and person.
So other than personal reasons that we'll likely never know what does that leave?
Certainly can't be that our "fans" drove him away? That our "internet coaches" screaming "he's not good enough" ENDLESSLY damaged his self esteem and how he feels about himself?
F'ing idiots, every one of you that ever dissed this kid or any kid working his ass off to ENTERTAIN US.
I hope to hell that the reason(s) come out and that it's not what it looks like.
Don't see how he starts next year...this year, it made sense...and, he was a great fit early on...I don't see it next year in that they need Gillis to provide what he does as the starter, and, get Furst to be productive on the floor off the bench at whatever position he is playing.
PJ is the Director of Player Development. The position was created by Matt after PJ used up his Grad Assistant time.
