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I need to vent.

Yes, you're so right. I ripped it from a meme. Instead of Googling Biden sniffing photos, I spent the time looking for a meme and then cropping the photo out of the meme. Gosh, you're just so smart for calling me out on that...

I just find it interesting that you'd bother using that photo as a profile picture. I guess the hatred runs deep and taking over.

I mean, yes, it is creepy. But public figures can easily have a ton of creepy or weird photos. For example,

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But usually people won't bother to make it their profile picture.

Anyway, it's a free country. You are obviously entitled to do choose whatever profile picture. It just seems to say more about you than about the politician you are targeting.
 
You still don't seem to get it. There will always be morons in this world that do unnecessary things that put others at risk. When they put other innocent people at risk, and things happen to the morons, we don't just decide to not give them medical care despite their behavior. It's that simple. I'm sorry about what happened to your grandmother, but the human beings who weren't vaccinated were in the hospital first. Would you like to be the person who makes a decision to kick a human being out of ICU so your grandmother gets their spot? Sorry, but life isn't always fair.

I'm not deciding they shouldn't get medical care.

I'm asking that they not seek it.

If they show up at the hospital they have to be seen. The hospital nor the government can/should mandate that they aren't given care.

So I do agree with you that medical care cannot be denied to anyone that shows up in the health system.

But it still pisses me off that standard care patients are not being provided with adequate care and some are even dying because the people who don't want the "experimental vaccine" show up for the "experimental treatment" once they get Covid.

There are areas of this country right now that are similar to Italy in 2020 where hospital staff are having to make decisions about who can get a bed, who can get into the ICU, and who can't. Those decisions aren't being made based on an individual's health condition but instead have to be made with consideration for bed space and other available resources. That's just flat out ridiculous.

It pisses me off that my grandmother had to wait 17 hours for a bed at Saint Vincent's because the unvaccinated decide to run to the Doctors and to the very people they haven't wanted to listen to from the beginning once it went sideways for them.

I would care much less about it if our healthcare system had the capacity to accommodate them and everyone else.

That's all.
 
I just find it interesting that you'd bother using that photo as a profile picture. I guess the hatred runs deep and taking over.

I mean, yes, it is creepy. But public figures can easily have a ton of creepy or weird photos. For example,

Eh9VoPhWsAEP2Wm.jpg



But usually people won't bother to make it their profile picture.

Anyway, it's a free country. You are obviously entitled to do choose whatever profile picture. It just seems to say more about you than about the politician you are targeting.
He could of done worse, like these:



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And this is just a very small portion. I could go one for days.
 
I just find it interesting that you'd bother using that photo as a profile picture. I guess the hatred runs deep and taking over.

I mean, yes, it is creepy. But public figures can easily have a ton of creepy or weird photos. For example,

Eh9VoPhWsAEP2Wm.jpg



But usually people won't bother to make it their profile picture.

Anyway, it's a free country. You are obviously entitled to do choose whatever profile picture. It just seems to say more about you than about the politician you are targeting.
It's more of a joke than anything. I find the picture funny, just like someone else has a photo of Hunter Biden as their profile pick. You just seem to be upset that it's a joke at the expense of Biden. Funny how some on here and other social media platforms called Trump "Cheeto" and "Agent Orange" which was essentially targeting his appearance. But I doubt you had an issue with that, just like the normal hypocrisy of liberals...
 
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It's more of a joke than anything. I find the picture funny, just like someone else has a photo of Hunter Biden as their profile pick. You just seem to be upset that it's a joke at the expense of Biden. Funny how some on here and other social media platforms called Trump "Cheeto" and "Agent Orange" which was essentially targeting his appearance. But I doubt you had an issue with that, just like the normal hypocrisy of liberals...

Hey -- I just made fun of Kamala's voice on another thread prior to reading this post -- and literally referenced that it was fair game exactly because of Trump's hair.

So I'm going to just go ahead and put an asterisk here on your post and say "normal hyopcrisy of liberals...*"

* except BleedinGold.

Now go on with the competition of who has the creepier photos. For the record, I think you're winning that one.

But if the thread switches to audio clips, I don't think you have a shot. Nothing will beat the Billy Bush, Access Hollywood fiasco.
 
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It's more of a joke than anything. I find the picture funny, just like someone else has a photo of Hunter Biden as their profile pick. You just seem to be upset that it's a joke at the expense of Biden. Funny how some on here and other social media platforms called Trump "Cheeto" and "Agent Orange" which was essentially targeting his appearance. But I doubt you had an issue with that, just like the normal hypocrisy of liberals...

I don't have an issue with you using Biden's pix. I just find it interesting and thought that said a lot more about you than Biden. Same with the guy who uses an unflattering Hunter Biden's pix, or for that matter, anyone who uses a creepy Trump pix as profile.

So no, I am not upset at all. I just find it interesting that profile pix is not used for ourselves, or someone we support, but would rather choose an unflattering picture of a rival politician. The implicit message seems to be that a desire to pull others down than to promote what one believes. It isn't about building something up, it's about tearing something down.

BTW, I wouldn't even consider myself a liberal when I agree with Reagan when he said, "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help". I have friends on the left that think I am way too conservative, and I have folks on this forum who keep accusing me as a socialist. The thing I notice, once again, is that it speaks more about them than about me. They think they can read a person's mind, when they live in a binary world where anyone who doesn't fully agree with them must be for the other side.
 
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I don't have an issue with you using Biden's pix. I just find it interesting and thought that said a lot more about you than Biden. Same with the guy who uses an unflattering Hunter Biden's pix, or for that matter, anyone who uses a creepy Trump pix as profile.

So no, I am not upset at all. I just find it interesting that profile pix is not used for ourselves, or someone we support, but would rather choose an unflattering picture of a rival politician. The implicit message seems to be that a desire to pull others down than to promote what one believes. It isn't about building something up, it's about tearing something down.

BTW, I wouldn't even consider myself a liberal when I agree with Reagan when he said, "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help". I have friends on the left that think I am way too conservative, and I have folks on this forum who keep accusing me as a socialist. The thing I notice, once again, is that it speaks more about them than about me. They think they can read a person's mind, when they live in a binary world where anyone who doesn't fully agree with them must be for the other side.
I've seen some of the stuff you've posted on this board. You're no innocent soul...
 
I don't have an issue with you using Biden's pix. I just find it interesting and thought that said a lot more about you than Biden. Same with the guy who uses an unflattering Hunter Biden's pix, or for that matter, anyone who uses a creepy Trump pix as profile.

So no, I am not upset at all. I just find it interesting that profile pix is not used for ourselves, or someone we support, but would rather choose an unflattering picture of a rival politician. The implicit message seems to be that a desire to pull others down than to promote what one believes. It isn't about building something up, it's about tearing something down.

BTW, I wouldn't even consider myself a liberal when I agree with Reagan when he said, "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help". I have friends on the left that think I am way too conservative, and I have folks on this forum who keep accusing me as a socialist. The thing I notice, once again, is that it speaks more about them than about me. They think they can read a person's mind, when they live in a binary world where anyone who doesn't fully agree with them must be for the other side.
Your policy positions on here put you squarely in the left-of-center (and approaching Progressive) camp. That’s just my inference based on your posts.

For sure, I am a Republican, but neither a Tea Partier nor a Neo-con.
 
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Your policy positions on here put you squarely in the left-of-center (and approaching Progressive) camp. That’s just my inference based on your posts.

For sure, I am a Republican, but neither a Tea Partier nor a Neo-con.

I suppose it is not too far outrageous to say I am "left-of-center." That said, I absolutely believe in personal responsibility. I think most social programs backfire, hence I agree with Reagan when he said "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help." And I am certainly fiscal conservative.

Furthermore, I also very much agree with Jonathan Heidt when he said in the Righteous Mind, "Liberals’ zeal to help victims, combined with their low scores on the Loyalty, Authority, and Sanctity foundations, often lead them to push for changes that weaken groups, traditions, institutions, and moral capital. On issues after issues, it’s as though liberals are trying to help a subset of bees (which really does need help) even if doing so damages the hive. Such 'reforms' may lower the overall welfare of a society, and sometimes they even hurt the very victims liberals were trying to help ... Liberals tends to overreach, change too many things too quickly, and reduce the stock of moral capital inadvertently. Conversely, while conservatives do a better job of preserving moral capital, they often fail to notice certain classes of victims, fail to limit the predations of certain powerful interests, and fail to see the need to change or update institutions as time changes."

Therefore, I don't really identify myself with either group. Well, there used to be a time when I was leaning a lot more Republican (circa Reagan / Bush Sr). But like the chart shows, college-educated people increasingly move towards Dems. The Republican Party today is not what it used to. It no longer respects science and other knowledge-producing institutions. Since Karl Rove it also stopped caring about Truth. I'll say the acts from the Republican side disgusts me more, and hence my shift away from them.

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I suppose it is not too far outrageous to say I am "left-of-center." That said, I absolutely believe in personal responsibility. I think most social programs backfire, hence I agree with Reagan when he said "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help." And I am certainly fiscal conservative.

Furthermore, I also very much agree with Jonathan Heidt when he said in the Righteous Mind, "Liberals’ zeal to help victims, combined with their low scores on the Loyalty, Authority, and Sanctity foundations, often lead them to push for changes that weaken groups, traditions, institutions, and moral capital. On issues after issues, it’s as though liberals are trying to help a subset of bees (which really does need help) even if doing so damages the hive. Such 'reforms' may lower the overall welfare of a society, and sometimes they even hurt the very victims liberals were trying to help ... Liberals tends to overreach, change too many things too quickly, and reduce the stock of moral capital inadvertently. Conversely, while conservatives do a better job of preserving moral capital, they often fail to notice certain classes of victims, fail to limit the predations of certain powerful interests, and fail to see the need to change or update institutions as time changes."

Therefore, I don't really identify myself with either group. Well, there used to be a time when I was leaning a lot more Republican (circa Reagan / Bush Sr). But like the chart shows, college-educated people increasingly move towards Dems. The Republican Party today is not what it used to. It no longer respects science and other knowledge-producing institutions. Since Karl Rove it also stopped caring about Truth. I'll say the acts from the Republican side disgusts me more, and hence my shift away from them.

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I wouldn’t exactly call Democrats harbingers of truth, especially Progressives. They develop a narrative, typically one that is radical and overreaching. Then they use their lackies in the media and celebrities to propagandize their views into submission. If you don’t agree you’re a Luddite, you’re uninformed, stupid, uncouth, uneducated…..

They are only here to destroy or rework (in their own warped image) long-standing institutions (churches/religious organizations, respect for law enforcement and the military, and traditional family structures. They want to social engineer American society and spend the nation into oblivion doing it.

They want to completely rework the American economy based on emotional appeals to climate change (but, science!). To hell with hundreds of thousands/millions of peoples’ lives/livelihoods they will destroy and the obscene costs to implement their grand Progressive schemes. And make no mistake about it - it is a scheme to enrich a chosen few - at the expense of the rest of us. But, but the world will come to an end in 2030 if we don’t do something NOW! Something! Anything! It’s an existential threat to the entire planet!

The Democratic Party isn’t what it used to be either, especially with Kennedy and the Clintocracy. Ds have moved continually left starting with Obama. Bernie and airheads like AOC have outsized positions in the party. They are running the show and it’s scary as hell, because the Progressives will never be happy until they’ve destroyed the country for good by spending it into oblivion and by tearing down its institutions and replacing them with radical, Marxist-inspired ones instead. They are killing the nation from inside itself.

Republicans, in many ways, are not much better. They just go about things differently.
 
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What's an "innocent soul"?

Who's an example of an "innocent soul"? Are you?

Not you. Even though your post makes yourself out to be...

Have I ever said/suggested I am innocent? If so, can you please point out and let me know? Or is it more like a projection from you on me, as if you have some mind-reading ability, which again, says more about you than me?

For the record, I'll certainly concede and happily admit that I am not an innocent soul. May I ask if you know any innocent soul? And what were you referring to when you use that term? Are you talking about Mother Teresa kind of innocent soul? Or something of a lower bar, like someone among here who can qualify?
 
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Now back to the subject of this thread.

@BleedinGold, would you support if hospital prioritizes ICU beds based on vaccination status?


Well, they are going to have some tough choices to make. Prioritization is likely going to have to happen.

If it was my hospital or if I was in charge of the ICU, I absolutely would consider vaccine status when determining care.

And not just as a form of punishment (though I do think it is fitting karma), but also because a vaccinated individual has a better chance of recovery based on the statistical data available.
 
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As I said, you are talking about the health care system which is not a free market system.

Basic economics says that in a free market system, the participants seek to maximize revenue and market share, not maximize profit, as profit is not guaranteed without market share. That why competition LOWERS prices. The lowest price wins, you dont get to low prices by maximizing profit.
Corporations eliminate non profitable products all the time. It's profit, profit, profit.

WD
 
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