Bribery, racketeering, election fraud and more
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Are you really this gullible, or are you trolling with this thread?
Do you have any concept of the identity of this presenter?
Rep. Liz Harris, R-Chandler, invited Scottsdale insurance agent Jacqueline Breger to present about “activities impacting Arizona’s elections integrity.” Breger proceeded to accuse officials of taking bribes using false mortgages, election rigging and money laundering.
Breger said she was hired as a principal investigator by John Thaler with the Harris/Thaler Law Firm. Thaler is suspended from practicing law, according to the State Bar of Arizona and Breger was speaking on behalf of his findings. According to both of their Facebook pages, the two are also in a relationship.
None of Thaler’s claims have any credible evidence and many GOP lawmakers have called Breger’s testimony irresponsible and inappropriate. Senate President Warren Petersen, R-Gilbert, said in a Monday statement that Senate Majority Leader Sonny Borelli, R-Lake Havasu City, requested to review all materials prior to the hearing. “The report in question was not shared with him and was a surprise to the whole committee. I assure you, had he known about the report, he would not have allowed it to be included. This was definitely not the proper venue to make such allegations, nor to assess the credibility of such statements,” Petersen said in the statement.
House Speaker Ben Toma and Senate President Warren Petersen, both Republicans, pinned blame for the presentation on Rep. Liz Harris, a newly elected Republican who led a door-to-door canvassing effort searching for proof of fraud following the 2020 election. Her effort drew scrutiny from the U.S. Department of Justice’s civil rights division, who warned about potential voter intimidation.
“What should have been a joint hearing to examine commonsense election reforms devolved into disgraceful fringe theater,” Toma said in a statement Monday. “I’m not alone in believing that it was irresponsible and bad judgment for Ms. Harris to invite a person to present unsubstantiated and defamatory allegations in a legislative forum.”
And here's the substance of the 'report's allegation:
Thaler's report alleged, without reliable evidence, that two women working on behalf of the Sinaloa cartel used fraudulent mortgage documents to launder money to a wide range of officials, both Republicans and Democrats. Online sleuths discovered the women Thaler accused of facilitating the fraud were his ex-wife and her mother.
Thaler has a history of filing lawsuits accusing them of carrying out wide-ranging conspiracies. A federal judge last year dismissed one of his lawsuits, calling it “a delusional and fantastical narrative.”
The Arizona crap is just that crap. Lake is a helluve grifter though.
So I just looked up this article
Testimony At Elections Committee Meeting Debunked, Harris Denounced
EDITOR’S NOTE: The article has been updated to reflect comments by Rep. Alex Kolodin, vice chair of the House Municipal Oversight & Elections Committee. It is a familiar occurrence in Arizona politics of late – claims of copious amounts of evidence has been compiled pointing to election fraud...
arizonadailyindependent.com
They provide no proof that the story is debunked. It reads more like a hit piece. Well what the fukk do you think is going to happen if the government/cops/judges/ect are as corrupt as claimed? I'm willing to submit that the story is false, but I have to see the evidence, not a he said/she said type thing which is all this is. How do I know? Because instead of attacking any evidence that was provided, they attack the character of everyone involved. 99% of the time, that story is bullshit because they don't prove anything because most of the time they can't.
The faith you people put in the media is astounding. Vast majority of the time they assert strongly one thing or another but almost never provide proof. You guys gulp it up like it's the gospel. I don't understand that mentality. What did the media do to earn that much trust? You guys do understand that the media is just a corporate giant that runs stories for clicks and money. They don't care about the truth.
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The disbarred lawyer sent his insurance agent girlfriend to tell a state Senate hearing that the disbarred lawyer’s ex-wife and ex mother-in-law are running a cartel funded by fraudulent mortgage loans to pay off politicians and create voter fraud.So I just looked up this article
Testimony At Elections Committee Meeting Debunked, Harris Denounced
EDITOR’S NOTE: The article has been updated to reflect comments by Rep. Alex Kolodin, vice chair of the House Municipal Oversight & Elections Committee. It is a familiar occurrence in Arizona politics of late – claims of copious amounts of evidence has been compiled pointing to election fraud...
They provide no proof that the story is debunked. It reads more like a hit piece. Well what the fukk do you think is going to happen if the government/cops/judges/ect are as corrupt as claimed? I'm willing to submit that the story is false, but I have to see the evidence, not a he said/she said type thing which is all this is. How do I know? Because instead of attacking any evidence that was provided, they attack the character of everyone involved. 99% of the time, that story is bullshit because they don't prove anything because most of the time they can't.
The faith you people put in the media is astounding. Vast majority of the time they assert strongly one thing or another but almost never provide proof. You guys gulp it up like it's the gospel. I don't understand that mentality. What did the media do to earn that much trust? You guys do understand that the media is just a corporate giant that runs stories for clicks and money. They don't care about the truth.
They won’t provide copies of their evidence to that committee.
And your reaction and is that their theory hasn’t been debunked yet?
Wow. you are the kind of person that quite literally will fall for any conspiracy theory imaginable.
So you go on and be you! Enjoy that.
Pretty sure he didn't fall for the Russian collusion conspiracy/hoax, like I bet you did .
You say disbarred as if that means anything. You do understand that if the state is that corrupt, they could disbar him to make him look bad/less credible right?
From my understanding, they did provide copies. If you would have actually watched the video, the lady said the stacks would have been too much for her to carry because there was so much evidence. She said they would give them an electronic copy. Copies have also already been sent to other state officials. Some of the people on that committee appeared to freak a little bit when this point was made, which IMO meant that there may be some truth to this.
You are the type of person that will believe anything they read in the paper. Hasn't the past 8 years taught you anything about trusting the "news"?
John Thaler was married to the woman they were blaming yes. That woman kidnapped their son once Thaler started investigating the fraud. WTF do you think she did that for? Because she was innocent?
So there is a court case with this as part of the filing.
"It appears that John Thaler and Brittany Chavez, formerly Brittany Thaler, were once married and Brittany is listed as a defendant in a lawsuit by Plaintiff John Thaler. In June 2022, John Thaler alleged that Brittany Thaler “has engaged in an array of criminal enterprises across multiple states, including money laundering and tax evasion, allegedly accomplished via real estate transactions and non-profit organizations; insurance fraud, allegedly accomplished via phony personal injury claims made on behalf of non-existent persons; skimming money from state-run aid programs; narcotics trafficking; hacking into state databases and fabricating public records; bribing public officials, including judges, police officers, judicial assistants, inspectors, assessors, and accountants; bribing private professionals, such as real estate agents and brokers; bankruptcy fraud; election fraud, allegedly accomplished by creating fake ballots and manipulating others in order to influence, among other races, the 2020 election for Maricopa County Recorder; extortion via “crypto-viruses”; the creation of fake employees on payroll systems in order to collect paychecks and benefits; and murder.” Dawna Rae Chavez is also named as a defendant."
Oh, and he's a licensed attorney. In CALIFORNIA.
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Yes you gullible, gullible man. That’s his lawsuit, not a criminal case.
His lawsuit was dismissed by the court, which stated:
“Mr. Thaler's complaint weaves a delusional and fantastical narrative that does not comport with federal pleading standards.”
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“Here, the Court has concerns about the frivolous and potentially harassing nature of Mr. Thaler's filings. … should Mr. Thaler continue filing similar delusional and fantastical complaints against Ms. Thaler, this order may serve as part of the record that might one day support issuance of an abusive litigant injunction.”
A frivolous lawsuit that was laughed out of court by a guy who’s angry at his ex wife and potentially mentally disturbed is NOT evidence of anything, including election fraud.
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Where did you get the IU Law School grad picture?
I have always believed basically the same thing;
Russia vastly preferred Trump and took great steps to improve his chances, and the Trump campaign was appreciative.
What 'great steps'?
And how was the Trump campaign appreciative?
More lib groupthink from you.
"....the work of Harvard University’s Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society, which concluded the Kremlin’s real success was convincing the media to exaggerate the Kremlin’s success."
You and the other lib groupthinkers ate it up.
www.wsj.com
You and the other lib groupthinkers ate it up.
Opinion | Actually, the Press Was Not All Bad on Collusion
A 134-year-old news organization upheld the righteous standards of a free and honorable media.
www.wsj.com
Hey—you never answered me."....the work of Harvard University’s Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society, which concluded the Kremlin’s real success was convincing the media to exaggerate the Kremlin’s success."
You and the other lib groupthinkers ate it up.
Opinion | Actually, the Press Was Not All Bad on Collusion
A 134-year-old news organization upheld the righteous standards of a free and honorable media.
Do you also think that Ron DeSantis is a Soros funded, RINO, pedophile like Trump does?
Missed your question, but it is a dumb one that nobody of even knee-jerk lib intelligence would believe about Gov. DeSantis.
What great steps did Russia take to help Trump win, per you statement above?
So Trump and Trump voters are not of “even knee-jerk lib intelligence?”
Because they believe.
You have no way to know what they believe.
You don't even even know what you believe, it seems. Tell us the "great steps" the Russians took to help Trump win.
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You might have something here Hoosier.
Russian, China and Ukraine gave the Clintons and the Bidens millions to throw us off the Trump is in bed with them track.
Think the Russians are behind it, taking great steps to help Trump beat Biden?
Would make no sense , except to someone who wears clown pants.
Well it would make a ton of sense. Especially since it has been proven to have happened in 2016.
What wasn’t proven was that Trump actively participated in that effort.
Also.. you seem to be obsessed about my pants. #creepyHunterObsessedRivetingGuy
Wishful thinking on your part. Disgusted, not obsessed.
Tell us the great steps that Russia took to help Trump that were "proven". Are you unable to back up your statement?
Thanks for providing (really)! This is a fascinating read. Thaler's girlfriend Breger writes well and has a degree from a truly legit university in South Africa.But her report falls apart right away and continues down the rabbit hole.
She starts by stating about Thaler,
"His firm specializes in investigating racketeering and corruption for public and private agencies. The firm has participated in some of the largest investigations of racketeering and public corruption in the U.S and cross-border. "
This is patently not true. Public agencies don't contract out racketeering and public corruption investigations.
Moreover; Thaler's law firm doesn't have a website. His LinkedIn page says nothing about these public agency (or private) racketeering or corruption investigations. Instead it says:
• BUSINESS & GENERAL LITIGATION: developing strategies to meet client objectives; drafting and filing pleadings; researching, writing, and presenting oral argument on pre-trial motions; conducting pre-trial discovery; examining witnesses at trial; presentation of opening statements.
• CONTRACTS & PROPERTY: Preparing management and agency agreements; drafting use licenses; obtaining copyright and trademark protection; preparing non-compete and non-disclosure agreements; negotiating commercial and facilities leases.
• COPORATE GOVERNANCE: Negotiating and drafting agreements for mergers, acquisitions, buyouts, joint ventures and limited partnerships; preparing governing documents; creating and implementing KYC and ALM policies; performing risk assessment analysis.
Then, per my quick scan of her report, come the "tells" that she is just plain making shit up:• CONTRACTS & PROPERTY: Preparing management and agency agreements; drafting use licenses; obtaining copyright and trademark protection; preparing non-compete and non-disclosure agreements; negotiating commercial and facilities leases.
• COPORATE GOVERNANCE: Negotiating and drafting agreements for mergers, acquisitions, buyouts, joint ventures and limited partnerships; preparing governing documents; creating and implementing KYC and ALM policies; performing risk assessment analysis.
- "It is important to note that our office has been limited in resources and authority, such as subpoena power." So, an early admission that she has no sourced evidence. And then she proves that point.
- "The documents were prepared by two individuals, mother and daughter, residing in Mesa, Both had connections to at least one of the real estate agents suspected of setting up the home purchase laundering system in Arizona. These individuals are Dawna Rae Chavez and her daughter Brittany Rae Chavez. Their principal employer was and is the Sinaloan Cartel." No mention that this is Thaler's ex-wife and ex-mother in law, or that Thaler apparently is asserting that he has been married to a major drug cartel's money launderer!
- "Mr. Thaler did not vote in the 2020 or 2022 elections or donate to any candidate or party." (He should vote lol.)
- "In November 2019, Brittany approached Thaler and his colleague, attorney John J. Stanley with a request that they obtain for her WITSEC protection--the federal witness protection program." A private person asking for a law firm not working with the feds to get her into the Federal Witness Protection Program. Yeaaaaaahhhh. Riiiiight.
- "If one were to guess, Emerge Arizona seems to have been formed as a medium to attract women interested in politics and bribe them through the property scheme to adopt positions of power and/or further the goals and objectives of the Cartel." IF ONE WERE TO GUESS? that's some next-level amateur hour stuff.
- "Most of these deeds have been fraudulently notarized meaning that one or multiple parties named in the transaction are either not present or do not exist at all." Most? lol.. With no evidence of which ones or how they came to the conclusion that the notaries are fake.
- "These conclusions are drawn based on the fact that there are no other explanations for a Deed of Trust to have a fake notarization, phony buyer and/or seller signatures and/or other writings on the documents traceable to Brittany and/or Dawna." Conclusions drawn on the basis of, wait for it, wait for it, her 'the investigator can't come up with another explanation????!!!!????' Holy shit that's unprofessional and ridiculous.
- "Suffice to say that just as we followed the bouncing ball."
- "Mr. Thaler would be here himself presenting these facts and findings, but there have been multiple attempts made on his life. One of those attempts may sound familiar. Thaler was driving from Arizona to California when suddenly he lost control of his vehicle. Upon investigation, it was discovered that his tire was purposefully slashed by a straight edged knife that was 4-6 inches. The cut was made at such a location on the outer side of the tire where the tire would not lose air but instead would degrade to the point of catastrophic failure and likely at a high speed. (This information was provided by an expert who evaluated the tire post this event and who has provided us with a Declaration. This Declaration is included in your packet as page 81 - 83. The reason I mention this is because a similar attempt was made on the life of Kari Lake’s daughter during her campaign. To date, six attempts have been made on Thaler’s life."So Thaler is in hiding? The guy that is commissioning this will not leave his house to go into a State Legislature? And what is this tire death attack on Kari Lake's daughter that she cites. No Google hits for that one. And Thaler's office has it's address listed on every public locator website. So them cartels know where to find him, but that State Capitol building is where he doesn't feel safe? Hahahahaha.
That's per an initial scan. Now you know why this was mocked and laughed out of the committee by everyone; even the ones that love Trump.
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https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download
Actual evidence is your friend. Of course, it's a sonofabitch when you are tilting at windmills.
This is what I’ve always figured BoilermakerIQof03 looked like, except maybe a little dorkier
For real -- for me, I give @Boilermaker03 credit. (really and truly).
He has been bludgeoned with speculative theories and repeats them on this board, but seems to be open to learn what credible evidence truly consists of.
There's been much less name-calling, and Boilermaker03 is linking the sources for how his concepts were formulated. Much less laughy emojis with no substantive response. That's a sign that he might actually want to understand stuff and adjust his opinion when warranted.
This constitutes "great steps" to you? What a joke - predictable, in your case, but a joke.
"As set forth in detail in this report, the Special Counsel’s investigation established that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. "
Russian social media was paltry and buffoonish compared to the vast US mainstream media and corrupt Clinton campaign hacks that worked to degrade Trump.
"Second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents."
What they released showed some of the vast corruption of the DNC, such as how they rigged the system against Bernie and how dem hack Donna Brazille fed questions to Hillary before the CNN debate. Voters deserved to know how corrupt they were - not to mention stupid for being so easily hacked by simple social engineering.
Those docs, btw, did not show the scheme by Clinton to buy the fake dossier to discredit Trump. She did that all by her own crooked self without the DNC.
I appreciate that you gave direct sourced quotes as part of your response. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but when you look at the direct quotes that you cited, that’s a pretty strong 30,000 foot summary.
I left your sourced quotes in this response.
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You know this for sure? I don't know. I did listen to a whole group of people talk about this including Thaler and he talked in great detail about some of the cases he's worked on. Seemed to at least know what he was talking about.
Not having a website advertising that doesn't mean shit. I've been told to go to specific businesses for a variety of things over the years and when looking at their site, you'd never know that what I was contacting them for they actually did. That's just my experience. Many businesses don't need to advertise because they do so well by referral and word of mouth.
LOL, that is not an admission of no sourced evidence. That's them saying that they had some limitations, but not saying they had infinite limitation as you suggest.
And? What does this have to do with anything? It's not a secret or something they are trying to hide. It's all over the internet and he talks about it quite a bit.
Why? Maybe politics aren't his thing. Maybe he is too busy to pay attention. There's a LOT of reasons why someone should not vote. There are millions of people IMO that shouldn't vote that does. People need to be well educated on the issues and not vote without that knowledge.
Again, you know for sure they are never working with the feds because?
What's amateur hour is the way your "picking" at this document. Most of your conclusions here are nothing more than you think you know it's fake thus it can't be. You have presented no evidence. And no, some news article that says the same thing you are, with no evidence, isn't evidence.
She said Kari Lake's daughter but it was actually Kari Lake herself.
Kari Lake says staffers exposed to mystery white powder are 'okay'
Kari Lake promised to hunt down the perpetrators after a suspicious white powder was sent to her offices where the package was opened by staffers. 'We're monitoring them,' she said.
Actually I didn't see anyone laughing. If you actually watched it, the lady presenting was scared. You could tell. And some of the representatives were scared too. You could tell. Doesn't mean guilt, doesn't mean anything really. But what they weren't doing was laughing.
So let me be absolutely clear. I'm not saying this is 100% true. I'm not concluding anything at this point. But what I absolutely will NOT do is dismiss it without proof.
Not dismissing a negative without proof is a completely anti-logic thing to do.
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