BB62 said:

What's your point? You want to play word games?

A nuclear war implies both sides using nukes. That didn't happen.

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Both sides were racing to develop atomic bombs, so it was an atomic war. Thankfully, the good guys won that race and were able to use atomic bombs to save millions of lives.

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iubhounds said:

yes but memories you would love to hear ... RMK lost to Cleveland State, Richmond, Pepperdine in the first round of the NCAAs.

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I hate iu and Knight as much as the next PU fan, but BK did win 3 NCs.

qazplm said:

It's money. We've almost never spent money on football like other power schools have.

The one time we did was Brohms extension and the lesson they appeared to have learned was that was meaningless because he just left anyways so they went budget with their next hire.

For all the DEI aholes, there are plenty of black coaches who have head coaching experience, they could have went and gotten one of them. Walters being Black has zero to do with it. Walters being cheap to get did.

Fire or retain Walters, if you aren't going to invest in personnel (coaches and players) then it doesn't matter either way. In the NIL age you get the product you pay for.

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Theyre two seperate issues. 1) the hire was horrible. We should never bring in a coach who doesnt have a proven track record as a head coach. Theres several they could have hired from the MAC or other mid major. Besides the obvious point of showing you are capable of leading a program to success you can usually bring the coaches you want from your previous job to make the transition smooth. Theres also the benefit of plucking a few players you know are good enough to succeed in the b10. Ideally, your candidate won at two schools as a head coach but thats tough to find. Ultimately, the head coach, assistants, and roster usually come out better when you get a guy like that. 2) money. I think they could have gotten the guy that met the criteria above with the same pay. Assistants....probably not but we arent talking about much more money and the previous coach quit. Its not like we owe him money which makes the walters hire even more infuriating. NIL money is a different subject and we didnt do well with the guys we lost vs guys that came in. Im assuming we could have done better with more NIL money but the staff also did a poor job with the money they did have. I would have rather paid a couple of the guys that left. Having a stud wr and dlineman might have won a couple more games for this staff. Having more NIL is always better but if you didnt hire the correct person it will go to waste.

qazplm said:

It's money. We've almost never spent money on football like other power schools have.

The one time we did was Brohms extension and the lesson they appeared to have learned was that was meaningless because he just left anyways so they went budget with their next hire.

For all the DEI aholes, there are plenty of black coaches who have head coaching experience, they could have went and gotten one of them. Walters being Black has zero to do with it. Walters being cheap to get did.

Fire or retain Walters, if you aren't going to invest in personnel (coaches and players) then it doesn't matter either way. In the NIL age you get the product you pay for.

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This doesn’t fly that easily for me. We have 5-7 win talent and a 1 win coach.

Long term we need investment but why invest next year with a dud coach, dud staff and likely dud players coming back?

Investment in a Ferrari (or even a Chevy) is moot if you put it on square tires and take out the engine.

DEI isn’t why we got Walters but after 5-19…why do we STILL have him?

qazplm said:

It's money. We've almost never spent money on football like other power schools have.

The one time we did was Brohms extension and the lesson they appeared to have learned was that was meaningless because he just left anyways so they went budget with their next hire.

For all the DEI aholes, there are plenty of black coaches who have head coaching experience, they could have went and gotten one of them. Walters being Black has zero to do with it. Walters being cheap to get did.

Fire or retain Walters, if you aren't going to invest in personnel (coaches and players) then it doesn't matter either way. In the NIL age you get the product you pay for.

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I don't think it's about money. If it were, iu wouldn't have just committed $72M to their HC.

Big ten football recruiting rankings. Anyone want to throw this into the ring?

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tjreese said:

The other correctable thing is to develop better timing in coming off screens as well as setting up or sealing the defender in a way that puts him a step behind you preventing him from blowing up the screen. Unfortunately the handoffs at the top of the key resulting from a hard, high hedge while not being as worried about a quick slip/roll from the 5 pushes Braden out farther due to him going as fast as he does fearful of getting an offensive foul into the D 5 man. If the screener becomes more and more a threat, they can't double and/or blow up that screen. Should or could we see more wings ball screening? Ultimately, I want to believe this team will improve and defensive pressure effectiveness will diminish.

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I screamed a few times: "Don't release so soon!" The hedging did work well and there could have been some fouls for a moving screen, but still. -- Do you think there could have been successful reverse screens following the 1st one?

DwaynePurvis00 said:

I think I don’t understand where Heide would get more than 10-15 mins at the 3 next year?

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You will never get an answer to this question.

BoilerNGold013 said:

Being half glass full for the DJ injury, hopefully now Berg and RB are able to take a leap for next year due to more playing time and then DJ comes back to at least where he was to start this year for next season. That way the 5 spot will be much more competent than this years group after the DJ injury.

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I’m consistently overly optimistic, but I’d expect DJ to be much more Big Ten ready a year from now than he was pre-injury.

I know he’s out for six months but I’d expect that he’ll be bearing weight and able to do some lower body weight training soon. Hopefully he’s already working on his upper body and his nutrition. It’s much easier to add muscle when you’re not burning tons of calories playing basketball every day.

BNIBoiler said:

Dude have you seen pictures of MLB player Sammy Sosa from my Chicago Cubs lately? Since retirement, Sammy Sosa had chemically lightened his skin color. He’s from the Dominican Republic. As with a lot of Latin American countries, colorism is bad there. The lighter the skin color, the more privilege you have. This is no different here in the US. Lighter skin blacks have enjoyed better privileges than their darker skin counterparts. Same with lighter skinned Latinos/Hispanics.

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Not sure if you agree with me or disagree, but what I said was true? I will say that I see it much more a prejudice than "privilege" thing...because I'm not one looking for privilege. Could prejudice result in less privilege...possibly, but in a capitalistic country money paves the way quite often. The best way of eliminating prejudice is having compelling information that the held prejudice is wrong.

ImRonBurgandy? said:

Said it in another thread, maybe we're the Cubs of college football. Go to the game to party. I haven't been to game in a long time, but something is drawing the crowd and it's not the Purdue product on the field.

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It’s gotten better with the mix of Friday night and Saturday night games. Plus alcohol. I think basketball indirectly helps because the students need to basically get season tix to football to get basketball tickets and students won’t turn down free tickets so we usually have a full student section which adds to the gameday experience.

msfboiler3 said:

Walters isnt up to the task. Your question is a great one...why is he here right now when he should have been let go during the bye. Its even more eggregious if tom is correct and he gets another year if the powers that be use wins and losses as their main kpi. If its not wins and losses is it money, pride, or something else? I really dont know and i doubt a straight answer is ever given but they are setting the program back by years by this decision. We have to build the team with solid recruiting. We dont have the cash or desire to invest to make a huge splash in the nil world. We are hemorraging recruits left and right and nobody will tske walters serious on the recruiting front going forward. To your point.....why? Whats more important than having a competitive football program from an athletic department viewpoint.

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It's money. We've almost never spent money on football like other power schools have.

The one time we did was Brohms extension and the lesson they appeared to have learned was that was meaningless because he just left anyways so they went budget with their next hire.

For all the DEI aholes, there are plenty of black coaches who have head coaching experience, they could have went and gotten one of them. Walters being Black has zero to do with it. Walters being cheap to get did.

Fire or retain Walters, if you aren't going to invest in personnel (coaches and players) then it doesn't matter either way. In the NIL age you get the product you pay for.

DwaynePurvis00 said:

I know it COULD happen, but I’m pretty sure RB is not going to RS next year. He has all the tools to be great for us. The game is a bit fast right now, but with this season plus the offseason with Paint and staff training him, along with gaining 15-25 lbs of muscle, he should be easily ready to produce at the 10-15 min if not more. Him and DJ in two years at the 4 and 5 will be tough for any team to go against.

If Heide isn’t playing the 4, I’m not sure what the mins breakdown would be at the 3 between Harris, Heide and Colvin and even Cox too.

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Just too early to judge anything on RB, imo, but I’d expect him to improve significantly in the next 10 months.

BNIBoiler said:

Colored being a term of endearment to whom, you? During the dreaded Jim Crow years, colored was the term to describe black people. Since the 1960s, the term colored has been deemed derogatory. Since then in the order chronologically, Negro, black, and African American have been the terms to describe blacks in the US.

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The point that obviously was missed was yes, there were "white" people that thought it was the nice way to describe blacks years ago. I said as much. In the original response I even said that today it wouldn't be considered the proper way of describing someone. I also stated that good intentions often lead to bad outcomes. How did you miss reading what I said? Go back and read all the words and you may understand what was written.

DwaynePurvis00 said:

I don’t think DJ plays more than 20-25 mins next year. Leaving 15-20 mins at the 5. Burgess would then play 10-15 at the 5. I think TKR plays 20-30 mins a game between the 4 and 5 (maybe 5 min at the 5), leaving 15-20 mins for someone to play the 4. Which I think Heide gets majority …especially is he plays well off of DJ.

I think I don’t understand where Heide would get more than 10-15 mins at the 3 next year?

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I just don't think Burgess is a backup 5. He's a 4. He's not a rim protector nor is he a post up guy.

Heide is flexible. He can play 15 at the 3 and 5 somewhere else. He's not playing more than 25 minutes next year either. He's not breaking 18 right now. And that's with no Jacobsen. Colvin and Harris are playing more minutes right now than he is.

he offered to resign mid season, the school said no. He also gets more money from the university if they terminate the contract.

He was also 73, the oldest coach in D1 football behind ferentz (69). Time to move on before you lose too much momentum

Bippus33 said:

So after two seasons, who is comfortable at throwing $11 million at Purdue Football and allowing CRW to hire new assistant coaches and correctly evaluate portal talent...?

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Regardless of who the coach is you are going to have to throw money.

Ok let's say Walters is a moron and should never coach again, why wouldn't you still want to spend money on players? The next coach still needs talent and more talent is going to draw a better class of coaches.

Brown is also the winningest coach in school history. No half-steppin' in Chapel Hill.

tjreese said:

I've witnessed in Mexico some Hispanics using make-up to lighten their skin color. And most of us know there is a belief of prejudice in some as increasing the skin color becomes darker for all races.

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Dude have you seen pictures of MLB player Sammy Sosa from my Chicago Cubs lately? Since retirement, Sammy Sosa had chemically lightened his skin color. He’s from the Dominican Republic. As with a lot of Latin American countries, colorism is bad there. The lighter the skin color, the more privilege you have. This is no different here in the US. Lighter skin blacks have enjoyed better privileges than their darker skin counterparts. Same with lighter skinned Latinos/Hispanics.

SKYDOG said:

He’s an idiot. Trading away a whole draft for Ricky Williams is one example. Firing Buddy Ryan is another.

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Ok then what about a MINI DITKA ??

tjreese said:

"Colored" years ago was a term of endearment attempt. Today many would say it isn't. If we follow the science, "white" is the absence of color and so someone not white logically, would have color. That is just science. As in many things, good intentions don't always translate to good outcomes. In the context of importance saying someone was colored is very insignificant...particularly when so many non-whites are killing each other.

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Colored being a term of endearment to whom, you? During the dreaded Jim Crow years, colored was the term to describe black people. Since the 1960s, the term colored has been deemed derogatory. Since then in the order chronologically, Negro, black, and African American have been the terms to describe blacks in the US.