qazplm said:

Probably because right at this moment, others are more likely to step up. Doesn't mean no one can surprise, but you can't list the entire team either.

TKR is getting first crack at starting Center. I don't know why some folks hate that idea so much but it's obvious that's the plan.

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TKR should start and my prediction he will be at least 3rd team All B10 and one of our top 3 high scorers with Smith & Catchings.

BNIBoiler said:

I just told you how he is a grifter, according to most black people. If you don’t like it, that is on you. If you notice, these black grifters always say this crazy crap in front of white audiences or go on Faux News. They never go on black talk radio and say those things that. These folks hardly ever go on black talk radio at all.

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A grifter is someone who tries to swindle money from people. So again. How his this man a grifter? Don't hide behind the most black people argument. You know damn well that groups of people can be wrong about things. I'm asking you.

You've not refuted one thing he's said because you can't. The things he's said are facts and you just don't like them.

boomfizzle79 said:

I think the way NIL and transfer portal function long-term in football versus basketball is gonna be very different though. I think in basketball it's easier to make a team more than the sum of its parts than it is in football.

Obviously there are bball players who can do it by themselves, but football really requires great guys at the skill positions, and generally I think that's where you see the biggest bidding wars.

I think Painter will likely be able to continue doing it "his way" even if there are surprise transfers due to tampering and NIL. But if it does get bad enough, I think Painter would hang it up before really giving in to the new way

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Why? There's nothing more moral about getting high school talent than NIL transfers. If it helps the program succeed of course he will. Now, I don't think Painter takes anymore he doesn't feel comfortable with. But if a season comes along where three 4 star guys want to transfer in and Painter feels comfortable with them, then yeah he will do it.

bonefish1 said:

Happened to the Boilers in football this year.
I think if a guy is that valuable and proven, you have to play him. It is what it is now. And no one on here can say "well...if he's just in it for the money, then we don't want him anyway". Money talks.

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I think the way NIL and transfer portal function long-term in football versus basketball is gonna be very different though. I think in basketball it's easier to make a team more than the sum of its parts than it is in football.

Obviously there are bball players who can do it by themselves, but football really requires great guys at the skill positions, and generally I think that's where you see the biggest bidding wars.

I think Painter will likely be able to continue doing it "his way" even if there are surprise transfers due to tampering and NIL. But if it does get bad enough, I think Painter would hang it up before really giving in to the new way

BNIBoiler said:

But he claimed that the 2020 election was stolen.

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It was, obviously. Did urban radio not tell you about the FBI/Crow campaign coverup of the laptop?

Hillary claimed 2016 was stolen. Dem icon Stacey Abrams claimed her losses in Ga were stolen. Were those claims ok with you, Uncle bni?

BuilderBob6 said:

Totally fcked up system. Don’t bring legislation to the floor Mike or MTG will make a motion to vacate. Republican democracy in action.

I don’t want to hear anymore BS about who’s trying to play power politics. The pubs have bought into trumps method of governing through threats and intimidation. The idea that one piss ant member of the house can bring the body to a screeching halt is sad and dangerous. But that’s what the “freedom” caucus is all about.

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And that concludes Bagram Bob's self-righteous daily rant.

Particularly entertaining in this rant were the complaints about "threats and intimidation" by a Biden fan who appears not to be troubled by, among other things, using FBI Swat teams to arrest dangerous Christian ministers and going after parents who spoke against perversity at school board meetings.

Few players better personified Purdue basketball than Chris Kramer.
The 6-3, 215-pound Kramer was a dervish of heart, hustle and desire on some strong Purdue teams from 2006-10--the formative years of the Matt Painter era.
The Huntington, Ind., product played in 133 games with 114 starts, averaging 6.4 points. He earned a reputation as a fiery competitor who knew only one speed: full. No wonder he was a three-time captain.
Kramer arrived in West Lafayette as part of Painter's second recruiting class. As a freshman in 2006-07, Kramer helped the Boilermakers reach the first of four NCAA tourney's during his tenure in West Lafayette. Kramer's teams reached the Sweet 16 his final two seasons, winning the Big Ten tourney title in 2008-09 as a junior and the Big Ten regular-season crown in 2009-10 as a senior.
Kramer's desire helped him set the school record for career steals per game, averaging 2.1 en route to being a two-time Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year (2008, 2010). He became the first Big Ten player in 16 years to pace the conference in steals two consecutive seasons (2008, 2009).
Kramer finished his career with a 274 steals, 850 points and 397 rebounds, shooting 71 percent at the free-throw line. He also became the first league player to be on the Big Ten All-Defensive Team all four seasons.
Since leaving Purdue, Kramer has enjoyed a nice career that has taken him to Europe and Asia.
GoldandBlack.com caught up with the 31-year-old Kramer, who is married with a 2-year old daughter, earlier this week from Russia.
GoldandBlack.com: Where are you playing now?
Kramer: I am playing for Khimki Moscow Region in the EuroLeague. I am trying to find some consistency coming off an ACL injury. It's my first time playing EuroLeague, so I am getting adjusted to playing more games, more travel. This is my first season in Russia. I was in Lithuania before.
GoldandBlack.com: When did you hurt your knee?
Kramer: I hurt my knee on March 5th (last year). I have been playing for a couple months now.
GoldandBlack.com: How long have you been playing overseas?
Kramer: This is my ninth year overseas and 10th year playing. I have been in the G League and played in Puerto Rico.
GoldandBlack.com: What's it like playing in Moscow?
Kramer: Moscow is a beautiful place. It’s different than any place we have been. We have a driver who takes us where we want to go. Moscow traffic is unbelievable. It’s comparable to New York and Los Angeles. Getting to explore another culture is a blessing. We are enjoying it. Hopefully, we will win more games so we can enjoy the basketball aspect of it.
GoldandBlack.com: What's your role on your current team?
Kramer: I come off the bench. I play 18-25 minutes. It just depends. I average about six points and three assists.
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Chris Kramer was a three-time captain. (Tom Campbell)
GoldandBlack.com: I know Robbie Hummel didn't have a good experience playing in Russia. But you are OK with it?
Kramer: He was by himself and he didn’t like his teammates. I talked to him then when I was in Lithuania. He had begun a countdown (to leave) by Christmas.
GoldandBlack.com: Who are some of the notable players you play with?
Kramer: Timofey Mozgov, Alexey Shved, who played with Robbie with the Timberwolves. Jeremy Evans, who won the Slam Dunk contest (2012). Anthony Gill from Virginia, Devin Booker of Clemson.
GoldandBlack.com: Is the money good?
Kramer: Yes, yes. To come over here, they make sure it’s worth your while. Coming off an injury, this was the best offer I was gonna get.
GoldandBlack.com: How much longer do you think you'll play?
Kramer: I am not sure. It has to make sense financially, but my body has to hold up. I want to be able to still play at a high level. My body feels great now coming off the knee injury. Maybe another three years. It just kind of depends.
GoldandBlack.com: What are your plans when your basketball career is finished?
Kramer: I honestly have no idea. I don’t know what would be right to do. I would love to coach, but with the way things are now with parents and all of that. To coach people the way you need to, to get the most out of them and help them, it’s tough—especially in high school. At this point, I’m not sure.
GoldandBlack.com: When were you last back in the United States?
Kramer: I was home last summer when Alex Borst got married. We were at Purdue for that.
GoldandBlack.com: Do you still follow Purdue?
Kramer: I do keep track of the team. I saw the score from the other night. That was a tough one.
GoldandBlack.com: What are the arenas like in Russia?
Kramer: Some of the gyms are cold, 40 degrees. You try to warm up, you can’t dribble. Feels like your fingers will break when you catch a pass. They put the floor right over the ice. Heaters are in all four corners. Spectators are in coats and hats like they are watching an NFL game outside.
GoldandBlack.com: What are the crowds like?
Kramer: It depends on where you are and who you play. You could get 2,000 all the up to an atmosphere like Mackey. We will play 66-68 games before playoffs. If you make it to the top eight in the EuroLeague, it is best-of-five. Many of our flights are long, 3-5-hour flights to get to games. It takes a toll on your body. Your body can break down.
GoldandBlack.com: Do you stay in touch with Matt Painter?
Kramer: I don’t bug him during the season. He is busy. When I am back, I reach out.

Riveting- said:

But not once has he claimed that cannibals ate his uncle.

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But he claimed that the 2020 election was stolen.

BNIBoiler said:

I never seen or heard this kind of dysfunction within one party since the 60's. Chump, since he became a politician, has single handedly jacked up the republican party. They can't do anything until they have his "approval". They now call decent republicans RINOs. Reagan would be a RINO nowadays. He jacks everything up that he is involved with up. This includes the USFL football league back in the 80s.

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But not once has he claimed that cannibals ate his uncle.

BoilerDaddy said:

Depends on the season. Going after Jones last season made perfect sense because he filled a need on a team that had everything else, but in general I am not a big fan of clearing roster space to sign transfers. Assuming NIL alliance money is limited, if you get into bidding wars for transfers you are going to have less money to reward the returning players that have been loyal to your program. I like seeing the money going to the guys who have contributing all along. This is just one of multiple reasons why players are not transferring out of Purdue. Continuity is valuable.

I’ll add that while I think that next season and every season is important, Purdue appears to be positioning itself to have a great team in the following season when Smith, Loyer, and TKR are seniors. A one year transfer does nothing to help in that regard.

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Good news and bad news is that even for next season, I'm not sure there is a starting position where Purdue would have a realistic chance at landing a portal player that's a clear upgrade from their current roster.

Trey and Braden have a frontcourt and backcourt position locked down respectively and there are at least three or four other high-quality backcourt options in Loyer, Heide, Colvin and Harris.

The second frontcourt position is probably more nebulous, but I have serious doubts as to whether Purdue would able to land a player that's a clear upgrade over Catchings, Berg or Furst.

ChoiceBeef said:

My opinion on the moral issue which comes in 5-10 years when your playing career is over. It isn’t immediately felt.

You effectively have a piecemeal degree and limited network back to a specific university. I know I’ve leveraged the Purdue alumni network and have undergrads reach out to me for career advice, referrals etc. That initial outreach to the alumni base is easier when you have a common connection and bond. What if you are remembered as the kid who took a ton of NIL and left and burned that bridge? Think of the kid from Iowa who committed to Alabama who keeps flip flopping and going back and forth.

I don’t disagree that these kids should collect based on their success with a school and their abilities. The chance of going pro in basketball and football from college is really low. The universities and companies are making money off of you, so why not get a piece.

I remember watching the 30 for 30 Broke. Those guys made millions and have 0 to show for it. I doubt a lot of these kids making 100k+ are being as prudent and thinking about where they will be in 5-10 years.

I don’t think what we are seeing is what NIL was intended to be. Same goes for the portal. Those genies are out of the bottle and aren’t going back.

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Many of these kids aren't going to school for the degree but for a chance to play professionally. The old system had PLENTY of these same kids with useless degrees or no degree at all and no money.

Now, they come out of it with no student loans, a degree of some sort usually AND some starter money.

I'm sure you had the experience of network building and that's great. I think you are wrong if you think that's the norm that college students everywhere have this network they can rely on 10 years later.

Whether they are prudent or not will depend on the individual. If they aren't, they weren't going to be any more prudent just because they spent four years in one place. If they are, no less prudent because they used the system for a headstart.

Piecemeal degrees can work just fine. Military folks do it routinely.

qazplm said:

Money is also necessary. I just don't understand the folks lamenting kids getting a slice of the action as if that's some moral failing.

It isn't. If a kid wants to transfer every year for NIL so what? What's the actual moral issue there other than it affecting some people's enjoyment?

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My opinion on the moral issue which comes in 5-10 years when your playing career is over. It isn’t immediately felt.

You effectively have a piecemeal degree and limited network back to a specific university. I know I’ve leveraged the Purdue alumni network and have undergrads reach out to me for career advice, referrals etc. That initial outreach to the alumni base is easier when you have a common connection and bond. What if you are remembered as the kid who took a ton of NIL and left and burned that bridge? Think of the kid from Iowa who committed to Alabama who keeps flip flopping and going back and forth.

I don’t disagree that these kids should collect based on their success with a school and their abilities. The chance of going pro in basketball and football from college is really low. The universities and companies are making money off of you, so why not get a piece.

I remember watching the 30 for 30 Broke. Those guys made millions and have 0 to show for it. I doubt a lot of these kids making 100k+ are being as prudent and thinking about where they will be in 5-10 years.

I don’t think what we are seeing is what NIL was intended to be. Same goes for the portal. Those genies are out of the bottle and aren’t going back.

qazplm said:

Money is also necessary. I just don't understand the folks lamenting kids getting a slice of the action as if that's some moral failing.

It isn't. If a kid wants to transfer every year for NIL so what? What's the actual moral issue there other than it affecting some people's enjoyment?

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Its not that, at least for me anyway.

PUQBMan. said:

Not only this, but something could also be said about the security in knowing that you aren’t going to be actively recruited over via the transfer portal every year. It has to be tough for a guy like Galloway who has been loyal to iu through some tough times and now sees them aggressively going after guards in the portal to take his starting spot.

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Excellent point. A "new and improved" way of 'Creaning' your players.

eueeck said:

Why doesn't this article mention Will Berg and his potential?

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Probably because right at this moment, others are more likely to step up. Doesn't mean no one can surprise, but you can't list the entire team either.

TKR is getting first crack at starting Center. I don't know why some folks hate that idea so much but it's obvious that's the plan.

bonefish1 said:

Happened to the Boilers in football this year.
I think if a guy is that valuable and proven, you have to play him. It is what it is now. And no one on here can say "well...if he's just in it for the money, then we don't want him anyway". Money talks.

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Money is also necessary. I just don't understand the folks lamenting kids getting a slice of the action as if that's some moral failing.

It isn't. If a kid wants to transfer every year for NIL so what? What's the actual moral issue there other than it affecting some people's enjoyment?

Boiler Buck said:

Possibly. That might happen. Hope it does.

Besides Purdue emerging as a FF banner chaser, one might say it is the availability of these quality COVID players that have saved Purdue from being more of a target from high $ poachers.

Sure we are told Purdue has a high quality atmosphere for keeping players, and I think that is true. But the time is coming where Purdue loses a valuable guy due to the money involved. It's inevitable. And I hate it. Hopefully, donor fatigue sets in, and the abilities of poachers level off.

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Happened to the Boilers in football this year.
I think if a guy is that valuable and proven, you have to play him. It is what it is now. And no one on here can say "well...if he's just in it for the money, then we don't want him anyway". Money talks.

BNIBoiler said:

Dexter Reed had a gun and shot a cop. He deserved to be shot. Not sure if it takes 96 shots though.

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How many does it take?
Would they have shot 96 times were he white?

His family is suing the city of Chicago. Total money grab.

I never seen or heard this kind of dysfunction within one party since the 60's. Chump, since he became a politician, has single handedly jacked up the republican party. They can't do anything until they have his "approval". They now call decent republicans RINOs. Reagan would be a RINO nowadays. He jacks everything up that he is involved with up. This includes the USFL football league back in the 80s.

Totally fcked up system. Don’t bring legislation to the floor Mike or MTG will make a motion to vacate. Republican democracy in action.

I don’t want to hear anymore BS about who’s trying to play power politics. The pubs have bought into trumps method of governing through threats and intimidation. The idea that one piss ant member of the house can bring the body to a screeching halt is sad and dangerous. But that’s what the “freedom” caucus is all about.

I was at Purdue from '96-'00 and played Co-Rec ball with Deane. Will never forget how humbling that was.

It felt like he was moving at about half speed and we couldn't really do anything to stop him. I remember going up for a rebound and during my jump to make a play on the ball, I swear he jumped like 2-3 times. Heck of a nice guy too.

New Pal Boiler said:

NCAA must be represented by the law firm of Dewey Luzigan and Howe.

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Rumor is Cheathem left after getting a bigger solo payday for NIL deals.....

typeviic said:

With Purdue basketball being the flagship power-5 outlier that holds out and does it the old-fashioned way by recruiting/developing players, does it widen the recruiting landscape for high school seniors that still want to play and look for a traditional-built team? The comradery and team chemistry that they are used to in high school.

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Yes.

For example: There are rumors that Sisley, despite growing up an IU fan, might actually be leaning towards Purdue, partially because he knows and likes the kids he’ll be playing with.

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SqueakyClean said:

NIL is not nearly as big of an issue with recruiting as it is with transfers. I still say that alot of the current trend goes away if they reinstitute the 1 year sit-out rule with transfers. That will keep alot more players at their current school and not chasing the money.

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Sit out rule is dead and will never come back. The NCAA just cleared the way on this by allowing unlimited transfers.

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bonefish1 said:

BNI refuses to acknowledge truth or facts.
Despite stone cold facts, evidence and data, he still doesn't believe (more accurately, willing to acknowledge) that more unarmed white people are shot by the cops in the US than unarmed blacks.

Of course, then you have the recent case of Dexter Reed in Chicago......

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Dexter Reed had a gun and shot a cop. He deserved to be shot. Not sure if it takes 96 shots though.