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Mack Brown is out at North Carolina. Here are the top replacement candidates

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Tulane head coach Jon Sumrall has had a terrific debut season at Tulane, and the Green Wave are 9-2 with legit Playoff hopes. He went 23-4 in two seasons revitalizing the program at Troy. The 42-year-old is the hottest name in the Group of 5 ranks and is well-regarded in coaching circles for his ability to connect with people and feel for the game.

Liberty head coach Jamey Chadwell has won big everywhere he’s been and runs an innovative, fun offense. At Coastal Carolina, he went 31-6 in his last three years before leaving for a bigger payday at Liberty. He led the Flames to the Fiesta Bowl in his first season and is 21-3 entering the regular-season finale of Year 2.

UNLV head coach Barry Odom has completely turned around the Rebels in less than two years. He’s 18-7 at a place that hadn’t won more than eight games in a season in 40 years.

Iowa State head coach Matt Campbell, still only 44, has gotten the Cyclones into Playoff consideration with a 9-2 record in his ninth season. Campbell has posted seven winning seasons in Ames, including a No. 9 finish in 2020

Marshall head coach Charles Huff was a respected assistant at Penn State, Alabama and Mississippi State before taking over the Thundering Herd. The 41-year-old from Maryland is 30-20 in four seasons and has Marshall 6-1 in the Sun Belt.

Memphis head coach Ryan Silverfield is in his fifth season leading the Tigers and has continued to elevate the program, going 19-5 the past two seasons. The 44-year-old Silverfield has coached at all levels, including stints in the NFL with the Vikings and Lions.

James Madison head coach Bob Chesney has gradually risen up the coaching ranks, from Assumption College to Holy Cross and now to the Dukes, who are 8-3 despite losing 13 players to Indiana when the Hoosiers hired away Curt Cignetti. James Madison blew out the Tar Heels in Chapel Hill, putting 70 up on UNC. The 47-year-old Chesney looks like he has a P4 job in his future, but it might not be this soon.

Indiana Getting Pushed Out?

Last at-large with Clemson the next at-large behind them. A win at 15 South Carolina for clemson or a Texas A&M win out could bump them. Of course they could move up with some upsets. Sure seems like the committee is setting themselves up to be bumped if more deserving teams prevail.
The team that should be worried is the B12. Tulane is ranked one spot behind their tied leader Arizona State. If Tulane wins and two of those B12 leaders lose ... there may not be any B12 teams in the playoffs based on the rules for the Top 5 seedings. The committee seemed to say when interviewed last night, there isn't much can happen for IU to be out of the top 10.
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Memphis drops Uconn

Watching AL vs Houston the other night made me wonder why Mouhamed Dioubate did not play more against us? Dude played 28 minutes and had 16 R, just a monster game for the young sophomore. Had great D. Think prior to this game he was getting 7-9 minutes. Wondered if he has been injured? And is now ok?

Watching him, I was thinking, man that is the guy we need. He was beast mode all game.
Then I looked at his stats and saw he had been playing much.
Yeah. Not sure. He didn’t play much vs Illinois either. Is he just behind a few players in the rotation maybe?

Memphis drops Uconn

Watching AL vs Houston the other night made me wonder why Mouhamed Dioubate did not play more against us? Dude played 28 minutes and had 16 R, just a monster game for the young sophomore. Had great D. Think prior to this game he was getting 3-12 minutes. Wondered if he has been injured? And is now ok?

Watching him, I was thinking, man that is the guy we need. He was beast mode all game.
Then I looked at his stats and saw he had been playing much.

Help with the math

I thin
First of all you need a breakdown of the expenses. I don’t believe that last year’s football expenses were really $89 million plus for a team that didn’t travel very far or often for great distances and no bowl. Purdue is hiding other expenses in that figure that are not football related.
That's total AD? If you scroll down you'll see an annual cost of $24.8 million for football.

Dickenson Ejection

ESPN was once an innovative network and an opportunity to be the standard-bearer for more of what viewers wanted....but that was long ago.....

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The good ol days of “this is sportscenter” commercials…eisen, Stuart Scott, Charlie Steinbrenner, SVP, Linda cohen, Dan levy, hell even Keith olbermann was good, and there were others. They were all super creative with the highlights and hilarious. But now…it’s so bad, they talk about anything BUT sports analysis. Just political/race baiting, awful and click baiting rants/shouting.

Help with the math

Man! I had a whole thread typed out trying to do an evaluation on income and spend for the AD. Then I found this site:


I don't know what year this is, but it gives a pretty good breakdown. The Cliff notes for all AD expenditures are

$115,139,432 in revenue
$89,722,572 in expenses
$25,416,860 profit

Assuming this is prior to current TV contract ($90 million) and it uses the old contract ($60 Million) that would add another $30 million to the kitty. So you can say a total of $55.5 million.

The issues would be the recent judgement against NCAA schools for NIL compensation ($21 million annually, and that is a moving number) plus retroactive payments to 2016 totaling $160 million per school. I'd really like someone to confirm or deny my assumption here, because this is a HUGE pot of money. That $160 million, even divided up over 10 year payments, add another $16 million to annual costs.

There is also the additional expense of sending every team coast to coast. I have no idea how to calculate that for 600 plus student athletes, coaches, support staff and equipment, but I'll put a number of $3 million in additional travel costs.

Assuming Purdue ups the schollies to 105 for the FB team (now that the 85 limit has been abolished), that's an additional expense of $400K (not counting potenial NIL increases).

So a rough estimate would be somewhere in the range of an additional $40 million in costs (for at least 10 years for the retroactive payments NCAA decision) against $55 million in additional revenue, leading to a $10 million drop over current.

Does that all sound correct?

NIL is supposed to be coming from outside the school, not from it, so that wouldn't impact the AD budget (right?) If you buy out Walters that's $9 million, and assuming you are trying for a better coach and staff that leaves you with $6 million total to play with without going in the red. Does that all line up?
First of all you need a breakdown of the expenses. I don’t believe that last year’s football expenses were really $89 million plus for a team that didn’t travel very far or often for great distances and no bowl. Purdue is hiding other expenses in that figure that are not football related.

Biden getting us into WW III before leaving office.

You don't think we have the technology to land aircraft in a hostile environment?

Ground access from where? Afg is surrounded by our enemies.
I don't know what that means. It's about the planes not getting shot down on the way in or out.

We do have the technology to defend against surface to air attacks.......on Air Force One. Military transport planes don't have those defensive capabilities.

A Stinger is a MANPADS. A shoulder fired missle. If you're flying into a air base that's completely surrounded, all it takes to bring down a transport is one local with a stinger. That's why you need to control the area around a base and have sit corridors in and out.

A stinger takes out a plane trying to resupply the base. We bomb the village where it came from. They start lobbing mortars at the base. Before long you have another war. There's are reasons the military doesn't have isolated bases in enemy territory. It's suicide.

Dickenson Ejection

Adams came up with a big defensive stop at the end but flory should be credited as well for altering the pass/decision. He played well In bigs mins.

ESPN continues to show how unserious they are about college bball by having Karl Ravech on the call last night. He mentioned Dickinson being ejected like 87x and said how much they miss his “defensive presence ”…newsflash, he’s not very good on defense and had no impact to begin with. And KU was up 2 with and then down 2 without him.

Also, Ravech said Gillis was a transfer from Tulane 😑

And man is ESPN OBSESSED with Flagg. While he played well and had that crazy dunk over Flory and a nice left handed finish, all they did was replay ALL of his 13 points over and over. Then he turned it over AGAIN down the stretch. Kid will be very good and be the number 1 or 2 pick (Ace Bailey may be 1 depending on the teams need). But man ESPN was 🤤 anytime cooper took a breath.

ESPN was once an innovative network and an opportunity to be the standard-bearer for more of what viewers wanted....but that was long ago.....

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Help with the math

Man! I had a whole thread typed out trying to do an evaluation on income and spend for the AD. Then I found this site:


I don't know what year this is, but it gives a pretty good breakdown. The Cliff notes for all AD expenditures are

$115,139,432 in revenue
$89,722,572 in expenses
$25,416,860 profit

Assuming this is prior to current TV contract ($90 million) and it uses the old contract ($60 Million) that would add another $30 million to the kitty. So you can say a total of $55.5 million.

The issues would be the recent judgement against NCAA schools for NIL compensation ($21 million annually, and that is a moving number) plus retroactive payments to 2016 totaling $160 million per school. I'd really like someone to confirm or deny my assumption here, because this is a HUGE pot of money. That $160 million, even divided up over 10 year payments, add another $16 million to annual costs.

There is also the additional expense of sending every team coast to coast. I have no idea how to calculate that for 600 plus student athletes, coaches, support staff and equipment, but I'll put a number of $3 million in additional travel costs.

Assuming Purdue ups the schollies to 105 for the FB team (now that the 85 limit has been abolished), that's an additional expense of $400K (not counting potenial NIL increases).

So a rough estimate would be somewhere in the range of an additional $40 million in costs (for at least 10 years for the retroactive payments NCAA decision) against $55 million in additional revenue, leading to a $10 million drop over current.

Does that all sound correct?

NIL is supposed to be coming from outside the school, not from it, so that wouldn't impact the AD budget (right?) If you buy out Walters that's $9 million, and assuming you are trying for a better coach and staff that leaves you with $6 million total to play with without going in the red. Does that all line up?
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Dickenson Ejection

He’s still a really good player don’t get me wrong and he impacts the game in non scoring ways on both ends of the court. BUT. Damian Harris crossed him over and made him touch earth…espn didn’t show that more than once. He will get better…only 17!!!! Dickinson and others are 6-7 years older than him, which is insane.
Yeah, when I saw that graphic that Dick is 24 years old and Flagg is 17, it really hit home.

Side note: I hate when they show Dick and his 2,000 some points and don't add that he is in his 5th year of basketball.
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Why I don’t think Walters 100% gets fired and why that’s a good thing

Yeah I’m not happy with this year. However, my unhappiness doesn’t rise to a level beyond “eh” because I don’t believe in regular people saying “hey I’m not gonna take mine on a vacation this year because I gotta help get a stud linebacker from Toledo to Purdue.” Therefore I have no right to cry.

If our mega donors and rich alum aren’t embarrassed by some of the taunting they are likely getting in Indy and south of Indy, oh well. I would be but then again I’m not worth no $25 million dollars.

I don’t believe in this system so I’m not gonna cry. This is not “hey how come our coach can’t win recruiting battles cause he’s a nice guy.” Now you need cash.

Walters hasn’t don’t well, don’t take the above as me saying he isn’t hasn’t performed really poorly, but if I’m the admin and donors, why not wait one year until we know what the landscape is?

Take the example of Nic Scourton. A lot of these kids come from working class backgrounds. Times are tough. Even if Texas A&M doubles your NIL offer, are you really bolting over christmas if you just made $250-300K in tv money per year the last two years?

The decision (and no @pboiler18 im not saying anyone needs to like it) was likely made that once the conditions in the previous paragraph are known and mapped out, that now gives even the lowliest big ten schools a competitive advantage over a LOT of schools they don’t have one over now. Let Walters deal run one more year, put next years money into basketball (more so than you would with a good football coach), spend next year with everyone knowing the writing is on the wall, then go to a better pool of candidates with less of a buy out for Walters.

You also get the benefit of signing two coordinators and seeing if one of them jumps off the page as the next guy

If they keep Walters in not sure I’ll ever have seen a duck so lame. And I was a supporter for as long as I could be

The problem with your "logic" is that you can't let this program sink any lower or revenue and whatever NIL Purdue is getting is going to decline significantly. Losing donors is not what this program needs right now. And that's what will happen in your scenario...
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Dickenson Ejection

13 whole points...wow.
He’s still a really good player don’t get me wrong and he impacts the game in non scoring ways on both ends of the court. BUT. Damian Harris crossed him over and made him touch earth…espn didn’t show that more than once. He will get better…only 17!!!! Dickinson and others are 6-7 years older than him, which is insane.

Just for fun....had Painter used the portal..

I don’t think DJ plays more than 20-25 mins next year. Leaving 15-20 mins at the 5. Burgess would then play 10-15 at the 5. I think TKR plays 20-30 mins a game between the 4 and 5 (maybe 5 min at the 5), leaving 15-20 mins for someone to play the 4. Which I think Heide gets majority …especially is he plays well off of DJ.

I think I don’t understand where Heide would get more than 10-15 mins at the 3 next year?
I think you’re right. I think west snd Benter are both new to the mix for time at the 3 spot as well as the 2 so Heide likely sees time at the 4
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Dickenson Ejection

Adams came up with a big defensive stop at the end but flory should be credited as well for altering the pass/decision. He played well In bigs mins.

ESPN continues to show how unserious they are about college bball by having Karl Ravech on the call last night. He mentioned Dickinson being ejected like 87x and said how much they miss his “defensive presence ”…newsflash, he’s not very good on defense and had no impact to begin with. And KU was up 2 with and then down 2 without him.

Also, Ravech said Gillis was a transfer from Tulane 😑

And man is ESPN OBSESSED with Flagg. While he played well and had that crazy dunk over Flory and a nice left handed finish, all they did was replay ALL of his 13 points over and over. Then he turned it over AGAIN down the stretch. Kid will be very good and be the number 1 or 2 pick (Ace Bailey may be 1 depending on the teams need). But man ESPN was 🤤 anytime cooper took a breath.

13 whole points...wow.

Indiana Getting Pushed Out?

That would be the ultimate pissing in the homecoming punch if we were somehow able to pull the upset Saturday. It's would bring me joy like I haven't felt since Trump dismantled Harris a few weeks ago.
Not happening, Purdue will lose by 3 TD’s or more, hopefully, the excitement will be after the game with news that Walters has been let go.

what are some good prop bets?

Probably won't find anything other than the usual. Points for Smith, Loyer and TKR. Rebounds for Smith and TKR. Assists for Smith. Normal stuff. Don't expect anything extra from most books just because of the holiday.
Exactly, Smith didn’t score a point last game, I’ll be looking at him in the points total. Props for Purdue got tougher lately, the books adjusted after some early gifts.

Dickenson Ejection

Adams came up with a big defensive stop at the end but flory should be credited as well for altering the pass/decision. He played well In bigs mins.

ESPN continues to show how unserious they are about college bball by having Karl Ravech on the call last night. He mentioned Dickinson being ejected like 87x and said how much they miss his “defensive presence ”…newsflash, he’s not very good on defense and had no impact to begin with. And KU was up 2 with and then down 2 without him.

Also, Ravech said Gillis was a transfer from Tulane 😑

And man is ESPN OBSESSED with Flagg. While he played well and had that crazy dunk over Flory and a nice left handed finish, all they did was replay ALL of his 13 points over and over. Then he turned it over AGAIN down the stretch. Kid will be very good and be the number 1 or 2 pick (Ace Bailey may be 1 depending on the teams need). But man ESPN was 🤤 anytime cooper took a breath.
Yea, sort of getting sick of the Flagg stuff, he’s a helluve player but let the kid be a kid, he’s only 17 years old. The hype machine is too much.
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Why I don’t think Walters 100% gets fired and why that’s a good thing

We're not getting 5-7 with Walters even if we increase NIL spending. Likely 2-10 best case scenario next year.
Yeah I’m not happy with this year. However, my unhappiness doesn’t rise to a level beyond “eh” because I don’t believe in regular people saying “hey I’m not gonna take mine on a vacation this year because I gotta help get a stud linebacker from Toledo to Purdue.” Therefore I have no right to cry.

If our mega donors and rich alum aren’t embarrassed by some of the taunting they are likely getting in Indy and south of Indy, oh well. I would be but then again I’m not worth no $25 million dollars.

I don’t believe in this system so I’m not gonna cry. This is not “hey how come our coach can’t win recruiting battles cause he’s a nice guy.” Now you need cash.

Walters hasn’t don’t well, don’t take the above as me saying he isn’t hasn’t performed really poorly, but if I’m the admin and donors, why not wait one year until we know what the landscape is?

Take the example of Nic Scourton. A lot of these kids come from working class backgrounds. Times are tough. Even if Texas A&M doubles your NIL offer, are you really bolting over christmas if you just made $250-300K in tv money per year the last two years?

The decision (and no @pboiler18 im not saying anyone needs to like it) was likely made that once the conditions in the previous paragraph are known and mapped out, that now gives even the lowliest big ten schools a competitive advantage over a LOT of schools they don’t have one over now. Let Walters deal run one more year, put next years money into basketball (more so than you would with a good football coach), spend next year with everyone knowing the writing is on the wall, then go to a better pool of candidates with less of a buy out for Walters.

You also get the benefit of signing two coordinators and seeing if one of them jumps off the page as the next guy

If they keep Walters in not sure I’ll ever have seen a duck so lame. And I was a supporter for as long as I could be

Shaka

Despite several family members and friends being iu grads, I hate iu with a passion.
our feelings are the same. My niece in an interview for a pharmacist job was asked, "why did you go to Butler instead of Purdue" ... she replied 'if I had gone to purdue my uncle would have never spoke to me again" .. true story. Yet the interview was in Bloomington so that may have been a difference in giving an answer like that. Peegs asked me after the forum moved from the Indy Star to change my user name. It was IH8PU.
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