Waited so I didn't fall off the cliff. Not athletic

[jadeezra]

Past CE and Perhaps Haarms and Eastern both raw freshman this team is slow very slow. It's what happens when you struggle to get top 50 talent. 50-150 players can have all the other skills but when they aren't athletic thus the ranking. We have some really really talented players but they are slow. Haas as good as he is, he is horrendous on defense I'm sorry. This is not what I wanted to be typing tonight. It is what it is

 

[BoilerBabyGirl]

Didn't Butler make back to back championship games? By that coach who just led a big NBA win streak? It's all coaching. Fire Painter

 

[klmLB]

I concur that we are slow and average to below average athletically.

It's easy to say we need higher rated recruits, but to me, that's a pipe dream because we don't attract those highly rated recruits well.

How many of Tenn guys were rated in 50-100 range? I'm sure a couple of them, but their entire team was pretty athletic and could apply stalwart pressure D. We need a couple of those type of guys.

I just watched Portland St give Duke a game for 30 minutes and while slightly undersized, they were athletically very good (quickness ... Duke's bigs had height and strength which eventually wore Portland St out).

How many highly rated recruits did those Butler teams have? Almost none in the 50-100 range.

Painter has basically assembled a team that doesn't defend or rebound well and we have average athletes (Nojel is the 1 good athlete) that can shoot well. That's great against the SIU's of the world, but against real pressure D, it's a different ball game. Shooting warm up jumpers is different than with a hand in your face. Because we have to shoot well to win, we need to cut the carelessness we play with at times. We need to be disciplined offensively for the full 40 min. Cut out the bad turnovers and those occasional shots that have no business being taken.

Lastly, I hope Painter can use these games as a lesson for the team. We played both of these last 2 games with the sense that we are better than we are. It's like we just expected to win the games because that's what should happen. I'd like to see a little more fight for the full 40 minutes. I think when we face adversity, we kinda caved mentally. That's both the players and coaches fault in my opinion. Hopefully, that's not the attitude we see the rest of the season.

 

[Boilerman1973]

It's the coach that does not attract those high rated players I get tired of people saying it's the school Purdue can't attract big name players and that is so f****** false. You telling me Vanderbilt can attract those type of players but Purdue can't I don't believe that s*** it is all on the coach to get those players to the school we have the wrong one in place

 

[jadeezra]

Sorry I want no part of a cheater as a coach.

It's the coach that does not attract those high rated players I get tired of people saying it's the school Purdue can't attract big name players and that is so f****** false. You telling me Vanderbilt can attract those type of players but Purdue can't I don't believe that s*** it is all on the coach to get those players to the school we have the wrong one in place

 

[boiler-deuce]

Sorry I want no part of a cheater as a coach.

I don't think we have to choose a "cheater" to get a winner. It sure looks like we have a winner in Brohm. I'm not worried about hiring a coach and being scared he's worse than Painter. You can't be afraid to open the "Green door". I know that I'm very shocked at how much this team has dropped with Biggie moving on. It now looks like Painter isn't "building" anything. He's just getting lucky once in a while. Logically, it looks like the last 2 years are all on Biggies back. That is, of course, unless something drastic changes as this year goes along. I can't believe the hype of "twin towers" being destroyed by a 6'7" kid from Western flipping Kentucky.

 

[Boiler8285]

You can overcome physical disadvantages playing hard and smart. Lazy and stupid is on the coach. That is why he has a bench. Let VE and some of the other "leaders" come off the bench to earn PT. Our seniors are playing like frosh. Sad that a walk-on is stealing minutes but so be it.

 

[Boiler8285]

I don't think we have to choose a "cheater" to get a winner. It sure looks like we have a winner in Brohm. I'm not worried about hiring a coach and being scared he's worse than Painter. You can't be afraid to open the "Green door". I know that I'm very shocked at how much this team has dropped with Biggie moving on. It now looks like Painter isn't "building" anything. He's just getting lucky once in a while. Logically, it looks like the last 2 years are all on Biggies back. That is, of course, unless something drastic changes as this year goes along. I can't believe the hype of "twin towers" being destroyed by a 6'7" kid from Western flipping Kentucky.

Keady 2.0 Get lucky with a GRob once and a while and a few sweet 16s. Always hoping the BIG is down so you can get a conference banner.

 

[klmLB]

It's the coach that does not attract those high rated players I get tired of people saying it's the school Purdue can't attract big name players and that is so f****** false. You telling me Vanderbilt can attract those type of players but Purdue can't I don't believe that s*** it is all on the coach to get those players to the school we have the wrong one in place

My point is that your ask is the easy, obvioius (and unrealistic) answer. How many coaches pull highly rated recruits from blue bloods? How many of those are cheaters? We aren't pulling Bryce Drew from Vandy after he just signed there. So, tell me who is this coach that is going to pull in high recruits to Purdue?

Brad Stevens couldn't do it at Butler and he made the Final Four twice. So, again, who is this houdini coach you want to hire?

I'm not against hiring a new coach, I'm just saying that if you expect him to pull in the high rated recruits over the blue bloods to improve the program, you are being unrealistic.

Like Butler, did, we can have better success if we find a way to balance out the entire roster. To me, that's the key.

It's great that we can shoot on an above average clip, but we are collectively un-athletic and can't rebound or defend very well. This team would look so different if we had a Keaton Grant who could defend on the perimeter better and Greg McQuay (sorry, older time reference). An athletic, but not too skilled big that can rebound and defend at a high level. Neither of those guys are big time recruits, are the type of players we can land, and would make this team significantly better.

 

[boiler-deuce]

My point is that your ask is the easy, obvioius (and unrealistic) answer. How many coaches pull highly rated recruits from blue bloods? How many of those are cheaters? We aren't pulling Bryce Drew from Vandy after he just signed there. So, tell me who is this coach that is going to pull in high recruits to Purdue?

Brad Stevens couldn't do it at Butler and he made the Final Four twice. So, again, who is this houdini coach you want to hire?

I'm not against hiring a new coach, I'm just saying that if you expect him to pull in the high rated recruits over the blue bloods to improve the program, you are being unrealistic.

Like Butler, did, we can have better success if we find a way to balance out the entire roster. To me, that's the key.

It's great that we can shoot on an above average clip, but we are collectively un-athletic and can't rebound or defend very well. This team would look so different if we had a Keaton Grant who could defend on the perimeter better and Greg McQuay (sorry, older time reference). An athletic, but not too skilled big that can rebound and defend at a high level. Neither of those guys are big time recruits, are the type of players we can land, and would make this team significantly better.

Finding that coach isn't our responsibility. "We" didn't find Brohm did we?. We didn't need to. We have people in place to do that. It's much different to look at a product, compare it to other similar products, and see we can do better....than to act like we know who is available, up and coming, young, motivated coaches that are the right fit. If you visit a restaurant and the food tastes like garbage, you know it. You don't need to know who to replace the cook with, or how to cook that food...you know it stunk. You don't say, "Well, it could be worse elsewhere.....and I have no idea how to fix this crappy food...so I'll just choke it down because mediocre is better than the unknown". That's silly.

 

[Boilerman1973]

So keep the same coach that ain't getting us nowhere? Your logic here is really stupid how would you ever know if we can find a coach like that if you don't try. Vanderbilt went out and found them one so again why not Purdue.

 

[boiler-deuce]

So keep the same coach that ain't getting us nowhere? Your logic here is really stupid how would you ever know if we can find a coach like that if you don't try. Vanderbilt went out and found them one so again why not Purdue.

Here's the deal. You and I seem to agree, but you totally lose me when you say another alum/fan has stupid logic. If you lack the capacity to put together a thought or lay out your position without ad homs....just don't. Let's be mature about it?

 

[Fansince72]

So keep the same coach that ain't getting us nowhere? Your logic here is really stupid how would you ever know if we can find a coach like that if you don't try. Vanderbilt went out and found them one so again why not Purdue.

So just a month ago you were singing the praises of Painter. I remember the heart felt apology. You need to get back on your meds. Swaying back and forth with every win or loss is not healthy.

 

[jadeezra]

Bryce Drew is hardly a proven coach. What a pitiful example, he may turn out to be a great coach. Right now Bryce Drew wouldn't be an upgrade over Painter. Why do you say Bryce Drew? Is it because he beat out your boy Archie on Garland? Yeah you read that right 73 you're a troll and an IU fan. I'm not a fan of taking gambles on coaching hires like IU did this year. If it's a sure thing then why not.

But lets keep pretending that after 15 years or so you just happened to finally stumble across GBI ironically at the same time you found the National board. Yeah right.

73 on the national board " Nebraska is going to win the big ten" he says that on repeat. The reason why is he desperately wants to talk about Indiana, but knows he can't as times are rough and speaking good about Purdue is not his agenda

 

[Treed1967]

So just a month ago you were singing the praises of Painter. I remember the heart felt apology. You need to get back on your meds. Swaying back and forth with every win or loss is not healthy.

He couldn’t wait for this to happen to say haha I told you so that painter has to go and this 2017 class in not athletic or what he feels is right and wrong with the team. 2 loses doesn’t define a team in November. Is there were to be done yes but my gosh tell that dude get off his high horse and chill the F out. There will be adjustments made I’m sure but that dude is a downer and a hater and when things get rough first thing he wants to do is down the coach, players and program. Have an opinion what’s going on and how to fix the problem i can understand but his negative rhetoric is beyond incomprehensible and down right out mean statements.

 

[jadeezra]

Treed he's an IU fan acting like a Purdue guy. Simple as that lol

 

[klmLB]

Finding that coach isn't our responsibility. "We" didn't find Brohm did we?. We didn't need to. We have people in place to do that. It's much different to look at a product, compare it to other similar products, and see we can do better....than to act like we know who is available, up and coming, young, motivated coaches that are the right fit. If you visit a restaurant and the food tastes like garbage, you know it. You don't need to know who to replace the cook with, or how to cook that food...you know it stunk. You don't say, "Well, it could be worse elsewhere.....and I have no idea how to fix this crappy food...so I'll just choke it down because mediocre is better than the unknown". That's silly.

I feel like I'm talking to a wall. Read my post again. I'm not against a new coach. I said that in the original post. I'm just saying get a good one but don't expect him to out recruit blue bloods for high level recruits as a sustained way to run the program.

I think we are saying the same thing. I love Brohm. Give me basketball version of Brohm. But Brohm is a great coach (in scheme and psychology/motivation) who can recruit a slightly better caliber of kids to purdue (than the historic norm) but he isn't in a sustained manner out recruiting blue bloods. And karlaftis isn't a good example. Hes an exception. He's a purdue legacy. Well, maybe he is a good example in painters case as he didn't even offer Glenn's son.

 

[Boilersss]

Bryce Drew is hardly a proven coach. What a pitiful example, he may turn out to be a great coach. Right now Bryce Drew wouldn't be an upgrade over Painter. Why do you say Bryce Drew? Is it because he beat out your boy Archie on Garland? Yeah you read that right 73 you're a troll and an IU fan. I'm not a fan of taking gambles on coaching hires like IU did this year. If it's a sure thing then why not.

But lets keep pretending that after 15 years or so you just happened to finally stumble across GBI ironically at the same time you found the National board. Yeah right.

73 on the national board " Nebraska is going to win the big ten" he says that on repeat. The reason why is he desperately wants to talk about Indiana, but knows he can't as times are rough and speaking good about Purdue is not his agenda

Purdue shouldn't take a gamble on a young coach? Do you think established coaches are going to come here? My biggest wish for our next coach is that he is a great recruiter. Our ceiling isn't very high without real talent. Put me in the group that would trade Painter for Zo right now. I would be very happy with Bryce Drew though.

 

[Boilersss]

He couldn’t wait for this to happen to say haha I told you so that painter has to go and this 2017 class in not athletic or what he feels is right and wrong with the team. 2 loses doesn’t define a team in November. Is there were to be done yes but my gosh tell that dude get off his high horse and chill the F out. There will be adjustments made I’m sure but that dude is a downer and a hater and when things get rough first thing he wants to do is down the coach, players and program. Have an opinion what’s going on and how to fix the problem i can understand but his negative rhetoric is beyond incomprehensible and down right out mean statements.

How do you feel about Nojel's playing time so far? For me, I would much rather see Nojel on the court than a walk on.

 

[jadeezra]

I've seen enough out of Martin to safely say HELL NO. Painter is heads and tails a far better bench coach. Just wait till you crap the bed with 5 stars. I'll take Painter any day over that.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

How do you feel about Nojel's playing time so far? For me, I would much rather see Nojel on the court than a walk on.

Nothing good can come from asking a player’s mom to comment on his playing time on a public message board...

And Eifert isn’t taking Eastern’s minutes.

 

[hamcoboiler]

Past CE and Perhaps Haarms and Eastern both raw freshman this team is slow very slow. It's what happens when you struggle to get top 50 talent. 50-150 players can have all the other skills but when they aren't athletic thus the ranking. We have some really really talented players but they are slow. Haas as good as he is, he is horrendous on defense I'm sorry. This is not what I wanted to be typing tonight. It is what it is

i am sorry, but i can't stand these posts about athleticism. wasn't long ago Purdue had some impressive athletes and they couldn't throw the ball in the ocean. i hated watching those teams play. under painter purdue has to get athletes they hope turn into basketball players or get basketball players and help them develop into better athletes. I for one prefer the latter.

if you want athetic basketball players, you are cheering for the wrong coach / school.

with that said, painter tends to demand his players defend like they are great athletes. last night WKU hit 0 second half 3's. yet, purdue defended WKU as though they had 4 kyle corvers on the perimeter. western was 160th in the country in 3 point shooting last year. they have shot it better this year, but my goodness when you are getting torched in the paint why not try to keep the ball out of the paint with more defenders helping off their man.

WKU and Tennessee combined to outscore Purdue 76-50 in the paint. At some point you have to make an adjustment.

 

[jadeezra]

Yup what a ridiculous thing to be going on. Insane

Nothing good can come from asking a player’s mom to comment on his playing time on a public message board...

And Eifert isn’t taking Eastern’s minutes.

 

[jadeezra]

I'm sorry if you don't want to think about reality...

i am sorry, but i can't stand these posts about athleticism. wasn't long ago Purdue had some impressive athletes and they couldn't throw the ball in the ocean. i hated watching those teams play. under painter purdue has to get athletes they hope turn into basketball players or get basketball players and help them develop into better athletes. I for one prefer the latter.

if you want athetic basketball players, you are cheering for the wrong coach / school.

with that said, painter tends to demand his players defend like they are great athletes. last night WKU hit 0 second half 3's. yet, purdue defended WKU as though they had 4 kyle corvers on the perimeter. western was 160th in the country in 3 point shooting last year. they have shot it better this year, but my goodness when you are getting torched in the paint why not try to keep the ball out of the paint with more defenders helping off their man.

WKU and Tennessee combined to outscore Purdue 76-50 in the paint. At some point you have to make an adjustment.

 

[Fansince72]

He couldn’t wait for this to happen to say haha I told you so that painter has to go and this 2017 class in

I wouldn't let him get to you. He's cra cra! Bi-polar is my guess.

 

[Boilersss]

Nothing good can come from asking a player’s mom to comment on his playing time on a public message board...

And Eifert isn’t taking Eastern’s minutes.

I think it's a fair question. Also, we have been hearing how Nojel can play the 1-4 spots. Eifert plays the 3/4 when he is in. Nojel could be playing those minutes.

 

[BoilerBiker]

Painter has basically assembled a team that doesn't defend

never thought i would read that here

we have average athletes (Nojel is the 1 good athlete) that can shoot well.

CE too probably.

issue is when a team is so reliant on great shooting, just one off night can spell disaster especially in a tourney setting.

and magnified when those shots are so early in the clock/possession, neglect feeding the big men vs smaller opponents, etc etc

 

[BoilerBulldog]

I think it's a fair question. Also, we have been hearing how Nojel can play the 1-4 spots. Eifert plays the 3/4 when he is in. Nojel could be playing those minutes.

The better question is why isn’t Taylor or Ewing getting some of those minutes. We will need them tonight to help on defense and rebounding.

 

[Boilersss]

The better question is why isn’t Taylor or Ewing getting some of those minutes. We will need them tonight to help on defense and rebounding.

Taylor I agree with. He can shoot, and he might be the best rebounder on the team. Ewing doesn't show me much.

 

[IndySouthsider]

Keady 2.0 Get lucky with a GRob once and a while and a few sweet 16s. Always hoping the BIG is down so you can get a conference banner.

Dumb

Keady was a far superior coach than what you’re insinuating.

His record will prove that as well.

 

[boiler-deuce]

I feel like I'm talking to a wall. Read my post again. I'm not against a new coach. I said that in the original post. I'm just saying get a good one but don't expect him to out recruit blue bloods for high level recruits as a sustained way to run the program.

I think we are saying the same thing. I love Brohm. Give me basketball version of Brohm. But Brohm is a great coach (in scheme and psychology/motivation) who can recruit a slightly better caliber of kids to purdue (than the historic norm) but he isn't in a sustained manner out recruiting blue bloods. And karlaftis isn't a good example. Hes an exception. He's a purdue legacy. Well, maybe he is a good example in painters case as he didn't even offer Glenn's son.

First, I'm not sure how you think Brohm won't out recruit eventually. Look what the guy is doing with low level players now. He's not like Painter who landed one class out of the gate and then sat on his laurels and drove us off in the ditch. He didn't win with Keady kids. He hit the jackpot early, then didn't do much more until Biggie fell in his lap. Biggie is gone and here we are again. Brohm is winning with Hazell players. Painter couldn't land Phinesee and Brohm did land Karlaftis. This isn't the same thing. And, if Brohm can do it football, you can't say another coach can't in Men's Basketball. I think Painter isn't the answer and the right one is out there somewhere. I don't care if it takes 2 attempts to get the right one. I have no problem with our AD trying to do better. Expecting more. Not this "Well, we are Purdue and we'll only be just soooo good". Screw that.

 

[Treed1967]

How do you feel about Nojel's playing time so far? For me, I would much rather see Nojel on the court than a walk on.

My son can really play he doing everything they tell him to do in practice and on the court. I can only trust the coaches decision at this point.

 

[hoosierdog1]

You can overcome physical disadvantages playing hard and smart. Lazy and stupid is on the coach. That is why he has a bench. Let VE and some of the other "leaders" come off the bench to earn PT. Our seniors are playing like frosh. Sad that a walk-on is stealing minutes but so be it.

+1

 

[Treed1967]

I think it's a fair question. Also, we have been hearing how Nojel can play the 1-4 spots. Eifert plays the 3/4 when he is in. Nojel could be playing those minutes.

He can play 4 positions but he gotta learn the plays at all 4 positions and it’s a lot a lot of plays not as simple as many of you think in his system to learn all the plays. He has been doing that just gonna take time to gather all that information while going to class practice film the everyday life of a student athlete

 

[cprh9u]

Painter is who he is. Solid coach who will get decent recruits and win an occassional B1G title. S16 type of ceiling. Either be ok with that or hope for a new coach. I certainly hope for a new coach that can win in March

 

[BoilerBiker]

i am sorry, but i can't stand these posts about athleticism. wasn't long ago Purdue had some impressive athletes and they couldn't throw the ball in the ocean. i hated watching those teams play. under painter purdue has to get athletes they hope turn into basketball players or get basketball players and help them develop into better athletes. I for one prefer the latter.

if our upperclassmen are not considered athletic enough, what additional training or programs would you suggest to improve?

it seems like fans often want what we dont have... then when we do, it is almost considered a liability by then.

for various reasons, we typically get stuck playing from behind:

originally lacked the big men/rebounding. but when we attained that, rule changes, small ball etc began to negate it.

then we needed athletes, but they couldn't shoot or were not team oriented.

so we got high bball IQ, skilled shooters, but many say they lack the required athleticism and even effort/desire at times

 

[klmLB]

First, I'm not sure how you think Brohm won't out recruit eventually. Look what the guy is doing with low level players now. He's not like Painter who landed one class out of the gate and then sat on his laurels and drove us off in the ditch. He didn't win with Keady kids. He hit the jackpot early, then didn't do much more until Biggie fell in his lap. Biggie is gone and here we are again. Brohm is winning with Hazell players. Painter couldn't land Phinesee and Brohm did land Karlaftis. This isn't the same thing. And, if Brohm can do it football, you can't say another coach can't in Men's Basketball. I think Painter isn't the answer and the right one is out there somewhere. I don't care if it takes 2 attempts to get the right one. I have no problem with our AD trying to do better. Expecting more. Not this "Well, we are Purdue and we'll only be just soooo good". Screw that.

Fundamental I agree with you. I'm not sure why our back and forth seems otherwise. Our difference seems to be that you are optimistic that we can get a coach that consistently out recruits blue bloods for the best players. I say great if it can happen. I just don't think it's likely and if it doesnt happen, i woukd prefer a coach have a more balanced roster and can consistently play good basketball. Always liked watching butler and Stevens teams. He never had highly recruited guys. I've even started watching the Celtics as the are fun to watch on offense in how they move the ball and they collectively play good tough d. Brad also seems to consistently instill confidence and buy in from his teams. Obviously, brad is the exception but something in that mold would be great.

 

[since1980]

Fundamental I agree with you. I'm not sure why our back and forth seems otherwise. Our difference seems to be that you are optimistic that we can get a coach that consistently out recruits blue bloods for the best players. I say great if it can happen. I just don't think it's likely and if it doesnt happen, i woukd prefer a coach have a more balanced roster and can consistently play good basketball. Always liked watching butler and Stevens teams. He never had highly recruited guys. I've even started watching the Celtics as the are fun to watch on offense in how they move the ball and they collectively play good tough d. Brad also seems to consistently instill confidence and buy in from his teams. Obviously, brad is the exception but something in that mold would be great.

I would argue that Painter has assembled a very balanced roster. However he is only choosing to play certain guys and choosing to use those certain guys in a very limited way (shooting 3’s or Haas post-up’s), and therefore it makes our roster appear unbalanced.

Meanwhile we have Nojel, Wheeler, Ewing, Taylor and Haarms sitting and watching....and I would bet that those 5 could beat our starters 50% of the time if you rolled the ball out and played a pickup game. Our starters would get dominated on the boards and in the paint by our 2nd string.

 

[boiler-deuce]

Fundamental I agree with you. I'm not sure why our back and forth seems otherwise. Our difference seems to be that you are optimistic that we can get a coach that consistently out recruits blue bloods for the best players. I say great if it can happen. I just don't think it's likely and if it doesnt happen, i woukd prefer a coach have a more balanced roster and can consistently play good basketball. Always liked watching butler and Stevens teams. He never had highly recruited guys. I've even started watching the Celtics as the are fun to watch on offense in how they move the ball and they collectively play good tough d. Brad also seems to consistently instill confidence and buy in from his teams. Obviously, brad is the exception but something in that mold would be great.

I think we agree with only nuanced differences. I wholeheartedly think we can land a very good coach. I also believe that our new leadership will make that happen. I expect Painter is on a hot seat. Rightfully so. He's earned it as long as he's been here. Let's be honest...he hasn't been consistently good. Even the peaks aren't amazing in his rollercoaster time here. But, the valleys are pretty ugly. I'm over it and I've had it with the "next year" or insert player that will be great when he's here.

 

[Treed1967]

I would argue that Painter has assembled a very balanced roster. However he is only choosing to play certain guys and choosing to use those certain guys in a very limited way (shooting 3’s or Haas post-up’s), and therefore it makes our roster appear unbalanced.

Meanwhile we have Nojel, Wheeler, Ewing, Taylor and Haarms sitting and watching....and I would bet that those 5 could beat our starters 50% of the time if you rolled the ball out and played a pickup game. Our starters would get dominated on the boards and in the paint by our 2nd string.[/QUOTE I think they can definitely help the team