Shoop

[JBoiler14]

We have no offensive identity under this guy.

Year 1: Pro style ground & pound offense (supposedly) with Akeem Hunt, and Rob Henry.
Try to turn your speed back into Frank Gore, and your QB who's biggest strength is his legs into a pocket passer.
Everything fell apart and we had no identity

Year 2: New QB, we are gonna spread it out and use our speed.
Okay this kind of worked at times, but we had no consistent offense, and QB failed again and was replaced. Offense was known for speed, but was really just a mess of motion and screen passes with little to no variation or innovation.

Year 3: Another QB, this time a big 6'5 pocket passer. 2 good running backs, gonna use the spread again but actually throw it down the field this year aka, read option your slow pocket passer (who isn't great at anything) until the defense realizes he can't do it and you go 3 & out 24/7

Just realize that he tried to turn Rob Henry into a pocket passer, and Austin Appleby into a read option qb... Let that sink in

 

[IndySouthsider]

We have no offensive identity under this guy.

Year 1: Pro style ground & pound offense (supposedly) with Akeem Hunt, and Rob Henry.
Try to turn your speed back into Frank Gore, and your QB who's biggest strength is his legs into a pocket passer.
Everything fell apart and we had no identity

Year 2: New QB, we are gonna spread it out and use our speed.
Okay this kind of worked at times, but we had no consistent offense, and QB failed again and was replaced. Offense was known for speed, but was really just a mess of motion and screen passes with little to no variation or innovation.

Year 3: Another QB, this time a big 6'5 pocket passer. 2 good running backs, gonna use the spread again but actually throw it down the field this year aka, read option your slow pocket passer (who isn't great at anything) until the defense realizes he can't do it and you go 3 & out 24/7

Just realize that he tried to turn Rob Henry into a pocket passer, and Austin Appleby into a read option qb... Let that sink in

It's so stupid you couldn't even make it up.

 

[Redhotfill]

We have no offensive identity under this guy.

Just realize that he tried to turn Rob Henry into a pocket passer, and Austin Appleby into a read option qb... Let that sink in

If I had say $2 mil + a year coming in, and had a hook up in Vegas to go make bets for me...

NOTHING EVER HAPPENS BY ACCIDENT! The level of bass ackwardness we are observing defies all logic. This reminds me of a guy in the Army who wanted out. So when it was time to take his test for the training he had received the past 4 months he scored a perfect 0% on a multiple choice test he should have got at least 25% on even if he just filled in random bubbles. Faculty knew that he knew the answers but chose to pick all the wrong ones. That stunt didn't end well for him...

This level of EPIC FAIL makes me ponder what else might be going on? The vetting couldn't have been that horrible?

 

[nate_h]

Just realize that he tried to turn Rob Henry into a pocket passer, and Austin Appleby into a read option qb... Let that sink in

Bro you stole my quote from the H&R comments section: http://www.hammerandrails.com/2015/9/20/9358983/virginia-tech-at-purdue-in-tweets#comments

;P

 

[Redhotfill]

Bro you stole my quote from H&R: http://www.hammerandrails.com/2015/9/20/9358983/virginia-tech-at-purdue-in-tweets#comments

;P

I saw that the other day and liked it. Bass Ackwards this staff is.

 

[JBoiler14]

Bro you stole my quote from the H&R comments section: http://www.hammerandrails.com/2015/9/20/9358983/virginia-tech-at-purdue-in-tweets#comments

;P

Ooops, probably sub consciously did that sorry :/

 

[nate_h]

I'm just playing. It's not a difficult insight to come up with, but it is a difficult strategy to justify.

 

[JBoiler14]

Also, Appleby has more rush attempts than Jones.

 

[boilermaker75]

Maybe this staff needs to do what George Constanza did in episode 86 of Seinfeld. George decided every decision he had made had been wrong. So he decided to do the complete opposite of what he would normally do, which resulted in much success.

 

[boilermaker75]

I'm just playing. It's not a difficult insight to come up with, but it is a difficult strategy to justify.

I was perplexed when he was forcing Henry to be a pure pocket passer and totally gave up on this staff when they started forcing AA to be an option QB.

 

[Hatter22]

Maybe this staff needs to do what George Constanza did in episode 86 of Seinfeld. George decided every decision he had made had been wrong. So he decided to do the complete opposite of what he would normally do, which resulted in much success.

Not that simple. Once you decide to do the opposite of whatever you think you should do, then the opposite of that is to do exactly exactly what you think you should do. This gets you right back to where you started.

 

[Hatter22]

I was perplexed when he was forcing Henry to be a pure pocket passer and totally gave up on this staff when they started forcing AA to be an option QB.

That's the genius of our offense. Opposing defenses would never have expected us to run the zone read with a cement-footed QB. The strategy is perfect - the execution is the problem.

 

[boilermaker75]

Not that simple. Once you decide to do the opposite of whatever you think you should do, then the opposite of that is to do exactly exactly what you think you should do. This gets you right back to where you started.

I know, it just seemed appropriate to compare Shoop to Constanza.

 

[Hatter22]

I know, it just seemed appropriate to compare Shoop to Constanza.

I see him more as a Kramer.

 

[pu1985]

I see him more as a Kramer.

Definitely "The Maestro"!

 

[gelesen]

Shoop is no more responsible for this than Hazell. Hazell is operating under the Jim Tressell influence. Take no chances, run or short passes that are almost the same as running plays. Just plain boring offense where the punter is the biggest weapon. I see DH being so stubborn that he's saying we're sticking with this cause it is supposed to work. it worked at OSU and it'll work here. I wouldn't be surprise that Shoop is asking for a more open offense but Hazell is saying no for the reason I just mentioned. I also wouldn't be surprised if Shoop resigned before anyone fired him.

 

[Boilers1977]

I was thinking more like The Shoop Natzi.

 

[lbodel]

We have no offensive identity under this guy.

Year 1: Pro style ground & pound offense (supposedly) with Akeem Hunt, and Rob Henry.
Try to turn your speed back into Frank Gore, and your QB who's biggest strength is his legs into a pocket passer.
Everything fell apart and we had no identity

Year 2: New QB, we are gonna spread it out and use our speed.
Okay this kind of worked at times, but we had no consistent offense, and QB failed again and was replaced. Offense was known for speed, but was really just a mess of motion and screen passes with little to no variation or innovation.

Year 3: Another QB, this time a big 6'5 pocket passer. 2 good running backs, gonna use the spread again but actually throw it down the field this year aka, read option your slow pocket passer (who isn't great at anything) until the defense realizes he can't do it and you go 3 & out 24/7

Just realize that he tried to turn Rob Henry into a pocket passer, and Austin Appleby into a read option qb... Let that sink in

Why I don't blame Shoop:

Hazell has kept him around for 3 years.

At this point, I don't think Hazell is really the guy for the job. There's been numerous warning signs, but who's going to argue now? Our recruiting has been stagnantly bad. Our success on the field has been stagnantly bad. Supposedly, Hope's players were problematic, but nothing was done. We have unimpressive coordinators/coaches, yet nobody has lost their job. Fire Shoop and it's just masking a much larger problem.

It's literally status quo. We've flatlined.

 

[HomelessHarvey97]

Why I don't blame Shoop:

Hazell has kept him around for 3 years.

At this point, I don't think Hazell is really the guy for the job. There's been numerous warning signs, but who's going to argue now? Our recruiting has been stagnantly bad. Our success on the field has been stagnantly bad. Supposedly, Hope's players were problematic, but nothing was done. We have unimpressive coordinators/coaches, yet nobody has lost their job. Fire Shoop and it's just masking a much larger problem.

It's literally status quo. We've flatlined.

Hope's players were problematic?

 

[Redhotfill]

Hope's players were problematic?

Yeah I remember Hope's players always stealing bikes.

 

[lbodel]

Hope's players were problematic?

Supposedly….they were "negative" in the locker room. It was just one of the many excuses people gave for us being bad under Hazell. Whether it's true or not, I don't care. If you have bad influences on the team, then get rid of them. I don't feel sorry for you cause you have them. Look at Painter, the guy cleaned house with guys he recruited himself. You have to fix the problem.

 

[Redhotfill]

Well said. It's not as if he doesn't have the ability to make changes as he sees fit. Then again I'd be "negative" too in the locker room on the way to a 1-11 season after going 6-6 under Hope.

 

[BoilermakerD]

We have no offensive identity under this guy.

Year 1: Pro style ground & pound offense (supposedly) with Akeem Hunt, and Rob Henry.
Try to turn your speed back into Frank Gore, and your QB who's biggest strength is his legs into a pocket passer.
Everything fell apart and we had no identity

Year 2: New QB, we are gonna spread it out and use our speed.
Okay this kind of worked at times, but we had no consistent offense, and QB failed again and was replaced. Offense was known for speed, but was really just a mess of motion and screen passes with little to no variation or innovation.

Year 3: Another QB, this time a big 6'5 pocket passer. 2 good running backs, gonna use the spread again but actually throw it down the field this year aka, read option your slow pocket passer (who isn't great at anything) until the defense realizes he can't do it and you go 3 & out 24/7

Just realize that he tried to turn Rob Henry into a pocket passer, and Austin Appleby into a read option qb... Let that sink in

Post of the decade!

 

[JBoiler14]

An update to year 3 is needed, this Bloughs

 

[GemstateBoiler]

Maybe this staff needs to do what George Constanza did in episode 86 of Seinfeld. George decided every decision he had made had been wrong. So he decided to do the complete opposite of what he would normally do, which resulted in much success.

I know someone who did that in the 2nd round of their March Madness pool and actually did pretty well. So I should pull for Bowling Green this week? Could it work? I doubt it in our case.