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This team is a slap in the face to our fans

Right, so you're just gonna ignore 15 to 5 million huh?

Tell you what bud, if you want to live in the delusion that our NIL isn't near the bottom of the conference you go right ahead and live in that fantasy world.
I never said it wasn't towards the bottom of the conference. It likely is. I'm saying nobody really knows everything. The real difference. How it is spread across the athletic department. If contributions were one-time lump sums to buy out a coach or build a new tennis facility.

Even the source you cited admitted as much if you cared to read the disclosures.

Why present these Estimates?

Unlike public Universities, virtually all NIL Collectives are privately controlled and have no obligation to publicly report information such as their annual fundraising and how those funds are spent.

In most cases, NIL collectives are very protective of their funding, and several states have actually stepped in to shield collectives from public scrutiny. Texas passed a bill that became effective in July 2023 barring state universities from releasing NIL documents in response to freedom of information act (FOIA) requests. With this action, Texas joins other states that have restricted public access to NIL activity including Connecticut, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, and Nebraska.

So these states have basically said ”none of your business”. But the problem with this position is that it does affect the public. State supported Universities rely on athletic booster donations to help fund their athletic programs including women’s and non-revenue sports. However the new landscape is that Schools and collectives are now competing for the same dollars – both are asking the same donors for contributions to the same cause – supporting the school’s athletic programs. So assuming donors are not going to double up, contributions to NIL collectives likely reduce contributions that historically went to the Universities. The difference is the schools used these funds as they saw best and were required to report how contributions are spent. Conversely, NIL Collectives are privately operated and are under no obligation to report either how much in funds are raised or how they are spent.

The state laws restricting public access were also intended to bar access from the NCAA to some extent. NCAA bashing is in vogue right now, but the organization does try to maintain a level fair playing field for schools to compete – for example, every FBS football program is allowed to have a maximum of 85 players under scholarship. NIL collectives are threatening to tilt this field on end – say two schools recruiting the same athlete are both offering full scholarships, but one has a supporting collective that can offer that recruit $ 100,000 per year in guaranteed “NIL” money and the other school can only offer a scholarship and the opportunity for a good education, which school do you believe will likely receive the commitment? See our page on the Quiet Part Out Loud about how the recruiting landscape has changed due to emergence of NIL collectives.

Student-Athletes do deserve legitimate NIL opportunities, but the health of intercollegiate sports is also dependent on schools playing by the same rules on the same level playing field. Sports is an integral part of the college experience. It would be a disaster if scores of schools begin to drop sports due to the funding demands and the intercollegiate athletics landscape ends up being dominated by 30 or 40 super schools essentially funded by enormous football TV contracts. Everyone loses in this scenario, especially the reduced opportunities for student-athlete not looking to get paid, but just to play for the love of the game.

So we compile and present these statistics with the objective of bringing some light to this area.
 
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I never said it wasn't towards the bottom of the conference. It likely is. I'm saying nobody really knows everything. The real difference. How it is spread across the athletic department. If contributions were one-time lump sums to buy out a coach or build a new tennis facility.

Even the source you cited admitted as much if you cared to read the disclosures.

Why present these Estimates?

Unlike public Universities, virtually all NIL Collectives are privately controlled and have no obligation to publicly report information such as their annual fundraising and how those funds are spent.

In most cases, NIL collectives are very protective of their funding, and several states have actually stepped in to shield collectives from public scrutiny. Texas passed a bill that became effective in July 2023 barring state universities from releasing NIL documents in response to freedom of information act (FOIA) requests. With this action, Texas joins other states that have restricted public access to NIL activity including Connecticut, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, and Nebraska.

So these states have basically said ”none of your business”. But the problem with this position is that it does affect the public. State supported Universities rely on athletic booster donations to help fund their athletic programs including women’s and non-revenue sports. However the new landscape is that Schools and collectives are now competing for the same dollars – both are asking the same donors for contributions to the same cause – supporting the school’s athletic programs. So assuming donors are not going to double up, contributions to NIL collectives likely reduce contributions that historically went to the Universities. The difference is the schools used these funds as they saw best and were required to report how contributions are spent. Conversely, NIL Collectives are privately operated and are under no obligation to report either how much in funds are raised or how they are spent.

The state laws restricting public access were also intended to bar access from the NCAA to some extent. NCAA bashing is in vogue right now, but the organization does try to maintain a level fair playing field for schools to compete – for example, every FBS football program is allowed to have a maximum of 85 players under scholarship. NIL collectives are threatening to tilt this field on end – say two schools recruiting the same athlete are both offering full scholarships, but one has a supporting collective that can offer that recruit $ 100,000 per year in guaranteed “NIL” money and the other school can only offer a scholarship and the opportunity for a good education, which school do you believe will likely receive the commitment? See our page on the Quiet Part Out Loud about how the recruiting landscape has changed due to emergence of NIL collectives.

Student-Athletes do deserve legitimate NIL opportunities, but the health of intercollegiate sports is also dependent on schools playing by the same rules on the same level playing field. Sports is an integral part of the college experience. It would be a disaster if scores of schools begin to drop sports due to the funding demands and the intercollegiate athletics landscape ends up being dominated by 30 or 40 super schools essentially funded by enormous football TV contracts. Everyone loses in this scenario, especially the reduced opportunities for student-athlete not looking to get paid, but just to play for the love of the game.

So we compile and present these statistics with the objective of bringing some light to this area.
Sigh. All that to finally admit we are near the bottom of the conference in NIL.

So again you're just arguing to be contrary.

Now, do you really think the split favors football instead of basketball? Of course you don't.
 
Sigh. All that to finally admit we are near the bottom of the conference in NIL.

So again you're just arguing to be contrary.

Now, do you really think the split favors football instead of basketball? Of course you don't.
No. I'm arguing that you don't know the facts. Which you don't.
 
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That contentment would last a season for most.
You want consistent winning seasons, you have to pay for it.

Plain and simple. Both coaches and players. You go cheap on one, you're capping yourself severely.
I would just like to have competitive games. Even if we lose I can handle those. These blowouts are absolutely ridiculous.
 
No. I'm arguing that you don't know the facts. Which you don't.
Lol the fact is that we are near the bottom of the conference in football NIL which you agree with. The rest is you being you.
 
Lol the fact is that we are near the bottom of the conference in football NIL which you agree with. The rest is you being you.
I'm sorry I tried to see if you understood what you were saying. Never thought it would embarrass you so much.
 
I don’t know that amount. I do know Scourton was offered 400 and it’s reasonable to think Jenkins, Thienemann and others got the same. If Purdue was getting 400k transfers from elsewhere, things would look different.

When people say the portal the portal, yeah if you’re getting other schools Kydran Jenkins the portal can flip you in a hurry. Not that it makes Walters good but that’s not close to what Purdue is getting.
More money, better players and the portal can't fix what we are seeing each football Saturday...... With better players last season, we saw glimpses of this year's disaster.....
 
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I don’t know that amount. I do know Scourton was offered 400 and it’s reasonable to think Jenkins, Thienemann and others got the same. If Purdue was getting 400k transfers from elsewhere, things would look different.

When people say the portal the portal, yeah if you’re getting other schools Kydran Jenkins the portal can flip you in a hurry. Not that it makes Walters good but that’s not close to what Purdue is getting.
Jenkins closer to 500, Thieneman half that. I'm not seeing anything to show Card is higher than Thieneman. That's about it.

Purdue is going to need to be prepared to either:

A. Stay cheap and try and build a program over years from high school recruiting and quite frankly some luck, regardless of who the coach is (by that I mean even a great coach is going to need several years with that approach).

B. Be prepared to spend several millions of dollars on additions plus the cost of a new coach/staff who will have a much higher price tag than Walters did. With the buyout, I'm guessing we are talking 20 million? I just don't see that happening so what will get is

C. More experienced coaches, hope they bring some players with them, and then do option A for players. Pay big for one or two and cheap for the rest. More like 12-13 million with the buyout.
 
Paying NIL money for transfers unless they are proven is just gambling. Even paying guys who are somewhat proven is pretty risky (see Card, Jenkins).

I think I'd rather just see us spend money on a great coach and get players who want to be here ala Painter and the bball team.
 
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Jenkins closer to 500, Thieneman half that. I'm not seeing anything to show Card is higher than Thieneman. That's about it.

Purdue is going to need to be prepared to either:

A. Stay cheap and try and build a program over years from high school recruiting and quite frankly some luck, regardless of who the coach is (by that I mean even a great coach is going to need several years with that approach).

B. Be prepared to spend several millions of dollars on additions plus the cost of a new coach/staff who will have a much higher price tag than Walters did. With the buyout, I'm guessing we are talking 20 million? I just don't see that happening so what will get is

C. More experienced coaches, hope they bring some players with them, and then do option A for players. Pay big for one or two and cheap for the rest. More like 12-13 million with the buyout.
And IU is paying their players 80 million more than us right.
 
Paying NIL money for transfers unless they are proven is just gambling. Even paying guys who are somewhat proven is pretty risky (see Card, Jenkins).

I think I'd rather just see us spend money on a great coach and get players who want to be here ala Painter and the bball team.
Paying Jenkins any more than Free.99 to play middle LB is nuts. You paid a guy to play a position that nobody would have let him play for free. Can’t make that one make sense.

Paying a guy and then lining him up in the wrong sport or teaching him bad or no technique is akin tossing in the wind. Until we get a real coach NIL money is wasted
 
I believe many fans are not familiar with NIL.

I agree Purdue probably doesn’t pay as much NIL money to football athletes as other schools do.

It is up to the university AD how to apportion NIL money. Once apportioned it is up to each coach how that NIL money is spent.

In addition to the NIL money collected and issued by each university there are also private donors who contribute. And each athle can also make private NIL deals.

One example is Caitlin Clark. She made several $million last year from NIL deals. She received less than$100,000 from Iowa.

Look at Purdue’s basketball players. They are all receiving more money that Purdue’s football players are receiving.

My son coaches track at a rival BIG10 school. He knows exactly how much NIL his school has and also how that money is apportioned. At his school, a lot of NIL money is given to the football program. And not as much is apportioned to other sports. However, if he has an NCAA track champion or ALL American in track, they also receive a substantial amount of NIL money!

Each school has their own priorities. Maybe Purdue football players are not receiving as much as football players at other schools. I would ask are they actually worth it? How many Purdue football players were all Americans or even big 10?

I say when it comes to nil, pay a player on performance not potential.

Arch manning and ewers are both making a lot of NIL money. But that money is coming from private, outside sources. As a school, Purdue is as good as most other schools. The difference is other schools have more private donors who love to waste their money on athletes rather than more important aspects of life.

Look at Dolly Parton, Oprah and the Waltons. How much do they give to NIL? How much do Jordan and LeBron give to NIL? The only NIL donors I see are used car dealers! ROOOOOOORMAN!
 
More money, better players and the portal can't fix what we are seeing each football Saturday...... With better players last season, we saw glimpses of this year's disaster.....
But here’s the thing.. I see people asking how much morrisette, green, brown and smith cost. Probably not as much combined as Jenkins.

So when you get a new coach, even if he’s good, and you’re expecting a short term flip in the portal, you have to pay.
 
Jenkins closer to 500, Thieneman half that. I'm not seeing anything to show Card is higher than Thieneman. That's about it.

Purdue is going to need to be prepared to either:

A. Stay cheap and try and build a program over years from high school recruiting and quite frankly some luck, regardless of who the coach is (by that I mean even a great coach is going to need several years with that approach).

B. Be prepared to spend several millions of dollars on additions plus the cost of a new coach/staff who will have a much higher price tag than Walters did. With the buyout, I'm guessing we are talking 20 million? I just don't see that happening so what will get is

C. More experienced coaches, hope they bring some players with them, and then do option A for players. Pay big for one or two and cheap for the rest. More like 12-13 million with the buyout.
That’s the thing. You’re right. And if you won’t do B, then who is taking the job? You see the problems for what they are
 
But here’s the thing.. I see people asking how much morrisette, green, brown and smith cost. Probably not as much combined as Jenkins.

So when you get a new coach, even if he’s good, and you’re expecting a short term flip in the portal, you have to pay.
Did IU pay?
 
But here’s the thing.. I see people asking how much morrisette, green, brown and smith cost. Probably not as much combined as Jenkins.

So when you get a new coach, even if he’s good, and you’re expecting a short term flip in the portal, you have to pay.
It won't take much to get enough talent to win 6-ish games. That's not a high bar.
 
Did IU pay?
They spend way more money on athletics than we do. I’m not saying they bought a football team, but they’re willing to spend. They hired a better coach than we did, who is old and wise and knows more, and he brought some solid guys with him. And they haven’t played anyone yet. But they’re getting wins and believing. Tiller said this back in the day, “success breeds success” or something like that. They bought out of Louisville for this and it seems to be working. We’ll see though how powerful that program becomes long term.
 
Did IU pay?
Yes. IU has at least 3 transfers not from JMU who had a better resume than any transfer we had. The sharks at IU gave the ad tens of millions to do what needs to be done according to some on on3.
It won't take much to get enough talent to win 6-ish games. That's not a high bar.
The team has no recruited talent that isn’t freshmen and sophomores. That’s it.

Instead of looking at that statement and launching into a big thing about how it means Walters is good.. tell me who the recruited talent is
 
Yes. IU has at least 3 transfers not from JMU who had a better resume than any transfer we had. The sharks at IU gave the ad tens of millions to do what needs to be done according to some on on3.

The team has no recruited talent that isn’t freshmen and sophomores. That’s it.

Instead of looking at that statement and launching into a big thing about how it means Walters is good.. tell me who the recruited talent is

When the coaching is this bad, it's impossible to tell. No development. Bad game plans. Questionable S&C program.

A good coach will come in and see what we have, see what he can use and develop from that, and go fill the holes as best he can so that they can compete with the bottom 2/3 of our schedule. Basically we can fill the roster will MAC-level players and if they are well-coached it will give us a chance at 6 wins and certainly be a hell of alot more competitive than we are now.

This isn't a video game where you just add up the stars and whichever team has the most wins. Development and coaching are huge factors also.
 
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When the coaching is this bad, it's impossible to tell. No development. Bad game plans. Questionable S&C program.

A good coach will come in and see what we have, see what he can use and develop from that, and go fill the holes as best he can so that they can compete with the bottom 2/3 of our schedule. Basically we can fill the roster will MAC-level players and if they are well-coached it will give us a chance at 6 wins and certainly be a hell of alot more competitive than we are now.

This isn't a video game where you just add up the stars and whichever team has the most wins. Development and coaching are huge factors also.
Precisely...!
 
When the coaching is this bad, it's impossible to tell. No development. Bad game plans. Questionable S&C program.

A good coach will come in and see what we have, see what he can use and develop from that, and go fill the holes as best he can so that they can compete with the bottom 2/3 of our schedule. Basically we can fill the roster will MAC-level players and if they are well-coached it will give us a chance at 6 wins and certainly be a hell of alot more competitive than we are now.

This isn't a video game where you just add up the stars and whichever team has the most wins. Development and coaching are huge factors also.
I can still tell who has talent dude.. if Walters had gotten transfers with Jenkins talent we might still be terrible, but I’d be able to see the talent.

People say the portal the portal.. if you’re spending, even with a terrible coach, Yanni and Stevens aren’t starting. And both are solid players.
 
Most for sure. But a 10th of 50 mill is probably more than Purdue spends on next years football team with a new coach
 
This team is just an absolute slab in the face to the fans. With the number of season tickets sold and sell outs, you would think that we would and could put out a competitive team with the fan support shown.
This team would be lucky to be mid level in the MAC. We have a QB whose greatest strength is his legs. We never use it. Worst WR group in probably 8 to 10 years. They have no hands, cannot separate and never come back to help the QB. OL is better than last year. Enough said.
On defense, we let backups destroy our line and secondary. We put no pressure on the QB. We allowed almost 600 yards of offense today. Other teams find our holes, which are many, all the time. This is from a DC who is our head coach.
The team has quit on Walters. Don’t blame them with this coaching. We are an absolute joke of a team. Thank goodness for basketball season coming up. If you are a fan, our biggest holiday gift will be doing what everyone knows should happen, which is to fire the entire coaching staff and start from scratch.
Gouda is good with whine.
 
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