You must copy-and-paste that every time your argument falls apart.
Almost all of the guys I listed have multiple elite 8s (including martin). That rules out the one hit wonder picture you are trying to paint.
I never argued you have to be a final 4 coach to be in the top 20 dumb***. I listed my top 20 and crean wasnt in it. I happy for you that you are satisfied with Painter, but that doesn't mean I think he's top 20. I dont think crean is and I dont think archie is yet either.
THAT is probably true, but average is not very smart and 50% are below average as supporting evidence. Might have more luck determining who is the prettiest lady in Indy...not that the criteria has any variable weighting defined either... Everyone has a standard of measure and that is okay...
You take yourself way too seriously, way over-doing the arrogant facade. You continue to labor under the delusion that we think your meandering opinion matters for anything other than silly amusement.
No, there weren't enough forwards on that team. He wouldn't have known what to do with more than 2 guards.
No, there weren't enough forwards on that team. He wouldn't have known what to do with more than 2 guards.
Fair.....I like Holtman.
True---And sad. FTR, I think MP is a really good coach; especially defensively. And quite possibly, Top 20. I just don't think its, "Without question".
Huh? Calipari, Wright, WIlliams, K, Izzo, Smart, Self, Boeheim, Beilein, Martin, Weber, Moser,......
Meh......
You're somebody who isn't listened to on his own fan board so he tries to make his opinion seem important on another school's fan board. That's who you are.Cool....I mean if you guys feel 26% is consistent---who the hell am I to argue
I mean if I posted 26% was consistent..........And for the record, I post very seldom on the IU board. But I when I do---I do so with importance my friend.You're somebody who isn't listened to on his own fan board so he tries to make his opinion seem important on another school's fan board. That's who you are.
I mean, quite possible. Roster wise, that was a really good Purdue team. Though not sure a team that fits what Miller wants to do. SO in that essence---maybe not.
C'mon, Northside...He ain't getting three years. I agree he should. But I also agree this years team has to be an NCAAT team. If not---I will worry. A lot returning. Guys with experience in his system. A Top 10 class. I mean----to me if IU misses the NCAAT, grumblings will start.
I mean, why would I retract it? Now, IF Painter was a regular at the SW 16, then yeah, my statement would be silly. But he's been there 4 times in 14 seasons; Or 26%.
Would CMP have done better with Archie's roster last year? Unequivocally, yes. With your assumption, you allude to Archie not being able to modify or change his system based on his personnel. CMP has shown that he will change his tactics and coaching based on who is on the roster. I also think a lot of other coaches could have made IU a tourney team last year....last four in likely, but still a tourney team.
I mean, why would I retract it? Now, IF Painter was a regular at the SW 16, then yeah, my statement would be silly. But he's been there 4 times in 14 seasons; Or 26%.
I mean I guess if you wanna nit pick wording, a be technical, I should've said---"Top 20 coaches usually GET TO THE SW 16"...But hey, I didn't wanna be to mean in your house..
What about the last place finishes for Painter? Why wasnt he able to adapt his system to fit those teams? The answer is that some rosters are too bad to be tournament teams.
He did adapt his system...it's called losing your two best players who were All Big Ten caliber players to knee injuries on a team that was likely to only be 6 or 7 deep to begin with (Landy & Teague). The three leading scorers that season were Matt Kiefer, Chris Lutz, and Marcus White.
Stay thirsty...I mean if I posted 26% was consistent..........And for the record, I post very seldom on the IU board. But I when I do---I do so with importance my friend.
The Deron Davis injury doesn't count? What about losing OG, Thomas Bryant, and JBJ early to the draft? Does that not count either?
I would agree with that assessment if Archie was the one that left the cupboard bare after the early departures. It wasn't Archie's fault that Crean didnt have recruits in place to replace OG, TB, JBJ, and Davis.
Top 3 finish and a SS.
Really? That is surprising but not unwarranted. I think both are highly capable coaches but I wouldn't take Archie over CMP. I'd probably put Archie around 5th best in the B1G right now:
I love this thought process. Last seasons 6th place was equal to the previous seasons 9th place. IU was 4 games behind the next highest team last year at 6th place. Using the place a team finished in league last season is a horrible metric to use when you are comparing a teams success and failures. If that is all you have to go on, then you are lost. 9-9 wasn’t an improvement when you look at the quality of teams outside the top 4.
My thinking is that he is 10 years younger, has been further in the tournament, and recruits at a high level. I dont love the motion offense, so that's a turn off for me as well. We should favor our own coaches though. That's to be expected.
I said they finished better seeding wise. With OG, JBJ, and TB that team would easily have been competing for the Big Ten title with Purdue, MSU, and OSU.
Yes, but you are inferring that finishing higher was an improvement when it wasn’t.
