PLEASE FIRE PAINTER
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For me this is not one game...
This is @ Ohio State, @ Michigan State, Cincinnati, etc. Add in the home game vs. OSU where we almost let that slip away, and the close losses to the two mid-majors at home. The mantra has been have a 5-7 point lead late, and let it slip away in short time. Something is not working.
This is @ Ohio State, @ Michigan State, Cincinnati, etc. Add in the home game vs. OSU where we almost let that slip away, and the close losses to the two mid-majors at home. The mantra has been have a 5-7 point lead late, and let it slip away in short time. Something is not working.
I would say sans the previous 2 years, Purdue has been a VERY successful program. Yes final 4's and National Championships would be great, but Purdue hadn't gone to a final 4 since the 60's....Painter has a decidedly clean program that graduates kids and while he hasn't gone 500-0 since he's been the head coach, he runs a program that represents Purdue in a positive manner. Is he overpaid...hell they all are.
Once again, there is bashing someone for having an opinion. How dare he or she not be ok with mediocrity.
Are we happy that we improved from last year? Sure.
Are we better off than other programs? Yep
Are we worse off than other's? uh yup
Mediocrity is not ok with the original poster, nor with me.
BTW, once again, what's Painter's record without someone named Hummel on the team?
Are we happy that we improved from last year? Sure.
Are we better off than other programs? Yep
Are we worse off than other's? uh yup
Mediocrity is not ok with the original poster, nor with me.
BTW, once again, what's Painter's record without someone named Hummel on the team?
I think Painter is an above average coach, but I think he is not the best at recruiting, its like John Wooden said, you gotta have the players first. So his coaching can only go so far.
I don't think you get it. If you post an idiotic opinion on a free board, somebody is highly likely to call you an idiot. This isn't your typical 4th grade soccer team where everybody gets a participation medal. You post an opinion here, and people will read and evaluate it. It is not "Bashing" to question the sanity and intention of some of these postings.
In college basketball, there is only one top team left after March. It is often a team that has cheated in recruiting, done unscrupulous things with their academics, and has less than stellar student-athletes. If your opinion of "mediocrity" is not winning the NC, then you may need to think a little deeper.
I lost my original post. I do not favor firing Painter, but there are a lot of general, FUNDAMENTAL weaknesses Painter's teams have every year that he needs to shore up among his assistant coaches.
The list of bad I have:
can't break the pressterrible passing (no bounce passes, lazy passes)never any flow to the gamepoor clock management last two minutesoften seems to let players lose instead of adjusting them to winning in-game - not everything has to be a lesson after the factnever practices fouling with
The list of bad I have:
can't break the pressterrible passing (no bounce passes, lazy passes)never any flow to the gamepoor clock management last two minutesoften seems to let players lose instead of adjusting them to winning in-game - not everything has to be a lesson after the factnever practices fouling with
Sorry, no participation trophies in big boy basketball either.
Atta boy Mr Painter, best finish in the last 3 years is top 64 in the country.
Make believe ... Mr. Painter's contract is up. Do you sign him to an extension? Yes or No? Circle one.
Atta boy Mr Painter, best finish in the last 3 years is top 64 in the country.
Make believe ... Mr. Painter's contract is up. Do you sign him to an extension? Yes or No? Circle one.
Alot of you on here are amusing. Look Painter is not going anywhere. His buyout is more than Crean's. I think it's like 9 mil this year. The Purdue athletic department... Did you see the USA story on recruiting budgets? Kentucky is like $2 mil where Wisconsin was about $500 K. I'd like to know what Purdue's budget is...
After the past 2 years when it looked like Purdue's program was in disarray. Painter admitted he had screwed up and would fix the problem. Now getting in the NCAA after a shaky non conference was an impressive feat. That was a very young team in the tournament. If Hammons comes back and they flame out like that next year as a higher seed. Then yeah rag on Painter.
Jon Octeus was the only player who had tourney experience. He went to the line with a 1 and 1 and missed. He then got fouled with 7.8 secs left and if he hits both those FT's Purdue is up 3 and likely wins. If Purdue wins then all this Fire Painter talk is null.
BOTTOM LINE: You get what you pay for. You want Purdue to be a bigger player? Then you alumni and John Purdue Club members better start writing some bigger checks.
After the past 2 years when it looked like Purdue's program was in disarray. Painter admitted he had screwed up and would fix the problem. Now getting in the NCAA after a shaky non conference was an impressive feat. That was a very young team in the tournament. If Hammons comes back and they flame out like that next year as a higher seed. Then yeah rag on Painter.
Jon Octeus was the only player who had tourney experience. He went to the line with a 1 and 1 and missed. He then got fouled with 7.8 secs left and if he hits both those FT's Purdue is up 3 and likely wins. If Purdue wins then all this Fire Painter talk is null.
BOTTOM LINE: You get what you pay for. You want Purdue to be a bigger player? Then you alumni and John Purdue Club members better start writing some bigger checks.
you are spot with this post except for one glaring miss - the lack of recruiting any GREAT in state talent (recruiting in general) - This is reason number one to consider his termination. Think of all the misses in the last few years. When you have a HS class like we did a few years ago and Donnie Hale was your top recruit (talking talent, not character, we can talk about talent), there is something wrong - we've missed on every top 5 (borderline 5s' too) star recruit locally - since 2007. This to me is the biggest flaw to consider - than all the other X and O stuff you mentioned, which again, is dead on.
Do I re-sign Matt Painter? Without hesitation, yes.
You know what? There is a board over at the UI fan club that would love to have you post there Mr. anythingbutIU. They'd probably love your comments. Here, not so much. Just because you don't like IU does not make you a Purdue fan.
First of all, if you want to discuss without telling people to go somewhere else, that'd be cool. Calling people's opinions idiotic or calling them ignorant dipsticks doesn't really strengthen your cause.
Secondly, I believe we are all Purdue fans here. That is our one commonality. To challenge someone's fandom is the true ignorance.
Thirdly, it is my belief that like in business, if you can't do the job, they will find someone who can. The "fire Painter" people are not saying that because of one game...they are saying it because of the frustration of being a fan of a program that can be so much more.
I don't have a copy of Matt's job handbook so I don't know what the causes for termination are. But to me, it's time to move on. Thank you for your time on the bench but it's time to go in a new direction.
I'm a fan whether Painter is coaching or not.
See you folks in October for the 2015-2016 season. Hopefully we move on from the "oh yeah ... yeah ... oh yeah ... yeah" conversations.
Secondly, I believe we are all Purdue fans here. That is our one commonality. To challenge someone's fandom is the true ignorance.
Thirdly, it is my belief that like in business, if you can't do the job, they will find someone who can. The "fire Painter" people are not saying that because of one game...they are saying it because of the frustration of being a fan of a program that can be so much more.
I don't have a copy of Matt's job handbook so I don't know what the causes for termination are. But to me, it's time to move on. Thank you for your time on the bench but it's time to go in a new direction.
I'm a fan whether Painter is coaching or not.
See you folks in October for the 2015-2016 season. Hopefully we move on from the "oh yeah ... yeah ... oh yeah ... yeah" conversations.
I will tell you who would be a great next head coach for Mississippi State University.
Matt Painter is who.
I know, it would be tough for us to find an even better coach but we shouldn't hold him back from what is almost certainly coaching greatness.
Really need to just share him with the world.
Matt Painter is who.
I know, it would be tough for us to find an even better coach but we shouldn't hold him back from what is almost certainly coaching greatness.
Really need to just share him with the world.
Absolutely not. I wouldn't sign up for another decade of 7 NCAA births, 2 sweet 16's and 1 co-B1G championship. Considering we landed possible the best class in Purdue history during that time and haven't come close to duplicating it, I would say the next decade of Painter will be the same at best or worse.Originally posted by mathboy:
Do I re-sign Matt Painter? Without hesitation, yes.
You know what? There is a board over at the UI fan club that would love to have you post there Mr. anythingbutIU. They'd probably love your comments. Here, not so much. Just because you don't like IU does not make you a Purdue fan.
Let's take a chance on someone who might be able to win more. Might we lose more? Maybe, but you have to take a risk if you want to win big. This has NOTHING to do with being a Purdue fan. I love Purdue, and Purdue is MUCH bigger than one mediocre coach. Don't mistake not liking Painter for not loving Purdue.
Yeah so let's fire a coach that just turned the program around, potentially has a top 10 team in the making should AJH stay and has shown in the past that he can get players in that fits his system and be successful (see the baby Boilers).Originally posted by cprh9u:
Absolutely not. I wouldn't sign up for another decade of 7 NCAA births, 2 sweet 16's and 1 co-B1G championship. Considering we landed possible the best class in Purdue history during that time and haven't come close to duplicating it, I would say the next decade of Painter will be the same at best or worse.Originally posted by mathboy:
Do I re-sign Matt Painter? Without hesitation, yes.
You know what? There is a board over at the UI fan club that would love to have you post there Mr. anythingbutIU. They'd probably love your comments. Here, not so much. Just because you don't like IU does not make you a Purdue fan.
Let's take a chance on someone who might be able to win more. Might we lose more? Maybe, but you have to take a risk if you want to win big. This has NOTHING to do with being a Purdue fan. I love Purdue, and Purdue is MUCH bigger than one mediocre coach. Don't mistake not liking Painter for not loving Purdue.
I knew you painter haters were pretty clueless, but the sheer lack of basketball IQ you have is astounding. Thank God you aren't in a position to make changes or you would set this program back to the stone age.
Mathboy has you and the handful of others like you pegged. Now back on ignore you go so that I don't have to have my IQ pulled down just by reading your posts. Good luck, you need it.
This post was edited on 3/21 7:54 PM by BBG
BBJ I agree. Listen they blew that game. Keady's teams in the 80's blew games with much better teams. I chalk it up to tourney experience which Purdue had none outside of Octeus who blew that on the missed Ft's. Cincy lost and if you saw that game. Cincy played Kentucky as hard as it could losing by 11.
I honestly thought the way Purdue has played last 2 years totally losing their defensive hard nosed identity. Going to NIT would have been a decent year. Let's see what happens a year from now. I'd like to see Purdue have a 6th or higher seed in 2016.
I honestly thought the way Purdue has played last 2 years totally losing their defensive hard nosed identity. Going to NIT would have been a decent year. Let's see what happens a year from now. I'd like to see Purdue have a 6th or higher seed in 2016.
He brought the program to a new low, so him getting us to 4th in league play and a 9 seed isn't exactly "turning it around". More like recovering from life support to having a bit of a pulse.Originally posted by BBG:
Yeah so let's fire a coach that just turned the program around, potentially has a top 10 team in the making should AJH stay and has shown in the past that he can get players in that fits his system and be successful (see the baby Boilers).Originally posted by cprh9u:
Absolutely not. I wouldn't sign up for another decade of 7 NCAA births, 2 sweet 16's and 1 co-B1G championship. Considering we landed possible the best class in Purdue history during that time and haven't come close to duplicating it, I would say the next decade of Painter will be the same at best or worse.Originally posted by mathboy:
Do I re-sign Matt Painter? Without hesitation, yes.
You know what? There is a board over at the UI fan club that would love to have you post there Mr. anythingbutIU. They'd probably love your comments. Here, not so much. Just because you don't like IU does not make you a Purdue fan.
Let's take a chance on someone who might be able to win more. Might we lose more? Maybe, but you have to take a risk if you want to win big. This has NOTHING to do with being a Purdue fan. I love Purdue, and Purdue is MUCH bigger than one mediocre coach. Don't mistake not liking Painter for not loving Purdue.
I knew you painter haters were pretty clueless, but the sheer lack of basketball IQ you have is astounding. Thank God you aren't in a position to make changes or you would set this program back to the stone age.
Mathboy has you and the handful of others like you pegged. Now back on ignore you go so that I don't have to have my IQ pulled down just by reading your posts. Good luck, you need it.
This post was edited on 3/21 7:54 PM by BBG
And potential top 10 team? I'll have some of what you are having. No PG, lack of shooting, lack of superstar players that can change the game on either end of the court. If all goes perfectly, including landing a top transfer for PG, we might have a shot at top 25 for part of the season.
On second thought, I won't have what you are having. It seems it may cause mental defects and I have too many people that count on me to lack critical thinking and common sense. All in good fun, but seriously, you are delusional and for some unknown reason, seem satisfied with mediocity. Some are winners and expect to win and some are satisfied with far less.
Exactly. Wanting to fire a coach coming off of the turnaround Painter did is just narrow minded and well, stupid. I've come to the conclusion that the people chanting the mantra of "fire painter" are just agenda driven , narrow minded naive people. They say they look at the "whole body of work" but clearly they don't because the focus only on two years of struggle and don't take anything else in to account when they make their ludicrous statements.
If AJH comes back and we happen to land Swanigan, this team has the potential to be very, very good next year. Hell with just AJH coming back this team will be good. But the fire painter stooges are so blinded by their own agenda, that they don't see any of the facts that completely disprove their theories and never will. That is why they only come around when we lose and really are the very definition of a bandwagon fan (Not my label, but it fits the low basketball iq'd haters in this thread).
Thankfully, there is the ignore feature and we don't have to read their nonsense. I even question whether some of them are really even Boilers and aren't more peegs trolls that seem to come here and stir stuff up in this manner. Irrelevant really as each time the post their drivel, they only show how foolish they really are.
At any rate, I am done with this thread. I hope GBI locks it though as it is one of the dumber ones to be posted on here in a while.
While I don't think Painter should be fired, I think the statement he turned the program around means very little, he let it go down to begin with.Every team has down years but last year was pretty bad
Well said. It's like if I am in sales in a position that expects me to generate 1 million in sales per year. I have several 1 million years, a few slightly above and some below. I then generate a 300k year and 200k the year after, leading many in the company to question my ability. I then get it up to 750k, short of what is expected of me but much better than what I was doing. Is that turning it around? Good grief the fanbase here is so incredibly complacent. Making the tournament and losing in the 1st round is not the expectation at Purdue, or at least it shouldn't be. Better than the last crappy 2 years by CMP? Yes, but still not good enough to warrant the position and paycheck.
Well I said I was done with this thread, but left it open last night. Anyway, actually there is a statement you made that adds credence to the turnaround means a lot. Sure Painter had a hand in the plummet but he owned up to it and not only that, got the pieces in he knew would turn things around. And no matter how the haters want to spin it (not you), it takes a good coach to admit what he did and go from the basement to the top tier of the conference and a NCAA bid.
No matter how you slice it it it tries to get spun, all of those things factored in make the turn around a big deal. Plus when you look at the emotion the players had after the loss, that is also in part due to the coaching staff fostering a true "family" atmosphere. Which a good coach does.
Wanting to have him fired after getting to 20 wins and all of those factors is just being narrow-minded, naive and making decisions off of emotion and not even close to logic. I'm a very even tempered kind of guy and don't easily get my emotions in a twist (getting shot at will do that to you) so I have a very different way of looking at all of this I guess. I see the potential in Painter because he has reached it before (prior to Robbie's injury we were a Final Four favorite) and the potential in the future because if things keep trending up, then it is very bright indeed.
All of that said, now I am exiting this ridiculous thread. I wasn't going to respond at all, but I have no issue with you and I am okay with people wanting to call out Painter, it's just how you do it and the OP has just simply gone off the deep end to push his agenda.
How is this post even allowed to exist?? I thought it would have died by now. Not taking a shot at the mods but this was clearly designed to be a troll thread and does not add to the community discussion... just dumbs it all down.
Really? And exactly what is your strategy, Coach? I truly hope it involves something more than "FIRE PAINTER!!!!!! FIRE PAINTER!!!!!! FIRE PAINTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Most arrogant people just don't realize how stupid they look.
There is just one simple way to avoid all this Fire Painter talk....
Don't respond. Let them talk among themselves and they will get burned out, and try and find new things to complain about.
I understand the "vocal minority" is also the loudest, but it is really not all that hard to respond.
So, you see a thread title like this or something similar, you just don't respond.
This post was edited on 3/22 4:04 PM by PurdueCF12
Don't respond. Let them talk among themselves and they will get burned out, and try and find new things to complain about.
I understand the "vocal minority" is also the loudest, but it is really not all that hard to respond.
So, you see a thread title like this or something similar, you just don't respond.
This post was edited on 3/22 4:04 PM by PurdueCF12
