Fire Matt Painter Petition...
- Thread starter BoilerInChiTown
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Did you write this for attention ? wow , just wow! Your talking about one of the most respected coaches in college basketball. There is always room for improvement and I'm sure CMP is tougher on himself than this post. Keady fell short at time but he loved Purdue as does Painter , I loved watching Gene. Obviously Painter hasn't met your " expectations " and I understand you posting your disappointment, but when it comes to family and CMP is family we don't get rid of them discard them , we encourage them and a rise and fall with them , but there's always a place at the table. CMP loves his players and that's good enough, ask Hummel, Ivey, Edey ... he's a father figure to them . So I'll start a post keep Painter.
Did you actually read and understand my post? I'm 110% behind CMP. DryFly88 said we would have a lean year if CMP didn't embrace NIL after the 2023 season. We all know what happened last season. I wrote it to point out that some people on this forum react so negatively when Purdue BB falls short.
I was actually looking for the posts 12 years ago (2013-14 season) when there were dozens of posters who wanted to fire CMP. I was against it then and against it now.
Is there anyway we can fire this ass for posting crap like this?First of all, I went to Purdue when Painter played. I like him as a person and I think he a good regular season coach, but not many people outside of the Midwest care much about BIG titles and certainly not the national media calling Purdue the "Choke Artist Program of the Decade" etc...
College basketball is all about March and us losing to North Texas (#13), St. Peters (#15), Fairleigh Dickinson (#16) along with Little Rock etc. are not acceptable for program like Purdue.
The head coach is the CEO of their program, so when you have failed on the biggest stage you should be accountable for his failure.
I think Painter has become too comfortable, too stubborn and too rigid for the good of Purdue.
So with this petition, this is your chance to voice your displeasure with Matt Painter.
This might not get him fired but it should be put him on notice to at the very least to make major changes if he wants keep his job.
BRo how is he going to bring someone from the portal when they lost a recruit and they had 5 freshman
That's his job to figure out. Instead of getting 5 freshman, save 2-3 of those spots for portal guys who can step in and help immediately.
If Daniel Jacobsen was healthy, there would be no need for Portal talk. Presses have impacted this team due to coaches planning to use the full shot clock most of the time. Without DJ, this teams ability to protect the paint is severely limited. With a healthy DJ, we have one of the best, most agile, shot blockers in the country. Furst, Heide, and TKR can man the 4. Colvin, Cox, and Harris are capable of being better guards than most. Let them gain experience this year and next year we have a legitimate chance of winning it all in Indianapolis! Trade instant gratification (top 5) for top 1...
Nope. It's his job to bring in players that fit Purdue's culture. He could have brought in additional players, but chose not to.
WTF are you talking about??
1. I posted that on March 23 2023
2. CMP signed Lance Jones out of the portal on April 9th 2023
So you tell me, did he embrace the NIL/portal or not? Without Lance Jones we don't go to the FF period. No idea what your point was of bringing up a post that far back, but even then, you might have taken the 1 minute it took to look up the date of the post and when we signed Jones. So, our ceiling was raised by signing Jones, just like I had suggested.
Whether CMP can be effective long term not going into the portal will be seen as we go. My guess is this year was an unusual one where he didn't sign any transfers. I bet he follows the 2023 model more often than not. Sign a transfer or 2 and try to stay as old as possible.
Not that I should have to defend myself after all the years I've been on here, but for the record I've been a CMP supporter all along. He's not perfect, but I've never called for anyone else to be our coach.
The portal offers more mature, experience players that have a resume of performance at some level in college. It offers a coach a better understanding of the "physical skills" a player has. Why is the player in the portal? Is money in play...playing time...chance to be on a bigger stage or a personal challenge? As others have noted, you can get the skills and a player than not only doesn't fit the culture but is a detriment to it. You can get a bad fit out of high school as well, but more than likely not have a freshman that is as crucial to the void to be filled in the portal. Use to be with Juco's the word was it usually took two years for them to be as productive as desired...many times an academic challenge it seemed. Both have advantages and disadvantages, but I like 4* players (certainly take the right 5*s) that want to win and will work to do so that are not selfish in what they personally want to achieve in a certain timeline. Lance was HUGE! Cherished the chance to play at Purdue...no NIL talk, just a chance to compete at the highest level and bringing joy in doing it. Great locker room guy, great fill of a void and great culture. Others are out there like Lance, but most are not. Find the right ones...great, but there is always more to it than the skills you see...and to a degree that can happen down both paths.
That's nice. You don't have to defend yourself, but you did.
Matt builds a program. He doesn't rent a team. That's my point. He doesn't need to 'embrace the NIL/transfer portal. One or two players to fill a need is fine, but to say he won't have success unless he does what YOU want him to do, is just foolish, IMO.
We were actually friends with David and got to meet players behind the scenes because he took us to games.
But actually, I was looking for all the posts to fire CMP back in 2013-2014 and stumbled upon yours. I agree with you, Lance was a perfect addition to the team.
Still early, wouldn’t it put it past Paint to adjust and hit the portal for 3+ guys in the future.
Do you not think there's a position or 2 on the team that Painter could upgrade in the portal?
Go back and read again what I posted prior to us signing Lance. I didn't, nor have I ever suggested, we "rent a team". I simply said if he doesn't go into the portal our ceiling has been lowered. Now you tell me, was our ceiling raised by signing Lance Jones out of the portal or not? Pretty obvious, YES. That was the whole reason for my post in March of 2023.
I get you were trying to score some kind of points by finding people that were looking for CMP to be fired 10 years ago. But for some reason instead of finding those you picked out my post. If you're going to go back in time and find where people have been wrong on their takes, that's up to you. But at least be accurate about what you dig up.
What causes you to assume that MP and staff didn't evaluate the portal last spring ? Do you think that's something they would have advertised with the number of players returning and the huge incoming freshman class?
Now if you want to advocate that Purdue's staff should take a different approach to the portal, promising big paydays and/or guaranteed minutes, that's a different argument.
What??
This is about the Spring of 2023. I posted that I thought we needed to go into the portal and get a player or else in my words "our ceiling would be lowered". I have no idea why you're asking about the Spring of 2024? I never said we needed to go into the portal this spring. We are talking about 2023.
Again with the "guaranteed minutes"? What fairy tale are you reading that makes you think this is a condition of acquiring a portal player?
Can you show me a quote were a player said "I'm going to X University because the coach is guaranteeing me a starting spot"
Serious question, have you ever personally been around a D1 college recruitment? Some players just want the opportunity to develop and compete but others, particularly older, portal players, want to hear 'we see you in a starting role' or 'we see you as playing x role for us next year'.
Matt Painter has been on the record many times as saying that he tells recruits how they'll use their strengths but they're going to have to come in and compete for playing time and if they're not one of the top x options they're going to play a role and and they won't have things run for them. That's not how most coaches approach recruiting.
Catchings literally called Painter the night before summer workouts started to ask about his minutes.
What's you're experience with D1 college recruitment? Are you like Wole who had a son talk to an NAIA school about running cross country and suddenly that makes you an expert in the college recruiting process?
And of course Painter is going to say that. But, unless you've sat in the meetings with the recruit and his parents, you have no idea what conversations take place.
I think Painter is honest with potential recruits, but I also think that if he's got an opportunity to get a difference maker, that's a different conversation that a role player.
Do you think Mason Gillis was promised anything by Duke?
Source?
And unless it's from Catchings or Painter, I don't put a lot of faith in it.
I agree with your comment that a conversation with a difference maker is different, I just know that up to now MP hasn’t been willing to pay in a way that high level transfer recruits require. Those guys want both assurances and $$$. Maybe that changes next year as he chases a NC. That can open Pandora’s box but maybe it’s worth it. The question around Gillis is irrelevant.
I won’t get into where and what I played as it’s not a productive conversation and this isn’t about me, but I’m at the age where many (over a dozen) of my college teammates have kids who have been recruited to high major basketball and football programs over the past five years. I have another former teammate who runs a recruiting service. I have a pretty good idea what those conversations with athletes and parents look like.
Whether the Catchings conversation happened or not (it did, Painter says in the interview below that KC was concerned about his role and then came back the next day and said 'everything was good'), Painter has spoken many times about recruits asking about roles and playing time and how he approaches it differently than many other coaches. No one here is obligated to believe Painter but the tape is out there on his views.
Link - MP on KC decommit - 25 second mark
Painter said it In his interview the day after we learned Catchings was released. The interview was posted everywhere on social media and here.
Kids are asking for minutes/snaps guarantees to be written into their NIL deals now. This is common knowledge.
Thankfully you are here to hold him accountable lol.
Do you even stop and read this stuff before you post it? You sound like a fool.
Not to mention without Lance Jones we dont get the best dance in school history....F$%# it, best dance in NCAA Basketball history,.
