I believe Painter was watching Perry and this guy impressed him much more. Nothing wrong with making a move on a player that has gone unnoticed when you see it. The past 5 years have landed us Edey, Ivey, and Carson all ranked 80+ (unranked/450+ for Edey, you know the NPOY). I'm pretty sure he decided he wanted Cox over Perry, and made the move.
I’m not sure how realistic many of your views are but I think you nailed it on this one. Back court was not ready to absorb Jaden leaving early, Newman not developing and missing on their top transfer targets.
We have had it happen. Carsen put up 35+ points 3 straight games. That's what I'm talking about. It's very hard for a Center to have double his normal production, whereas a hot shooting guard can do it pretty easily by hitting crazy numbers from behind the arc. Guards are also prone to getting cold too, hence the std dev. being greater.
Carsen had exceptional range as far back as high school and those defenses (tourney) played the odds and never extended the D. But in 4 years of playing at Purdue Carsen as good as he was never had a streak like that. Walker at MSU last year had a game like that and Purdue won. Most doubles or digs come on the catch or dribble...meaning the 5 already has the ball. Any problem is due to the refs allowing hacking and jumping over the back.
The 4 teams coming from the Pac 12 are more up tempo and diverse than what we normally see in the B1G. They play multiple defenses much more than we see during B1G season. Now, whether or not they will be able to have any influence on our conference is the question. Or are they forced to become just another 4 teams that do the same thing we already do? I'm hoping for the former, but thinking it's more likely the latter.
What I was getting at is in the preseason Purdue again has some good teams early from outside the Big. Can't recall if they could play Marquette or not, but thinking they could. I want to believe that Purdue will handle pressure much better this year for a variety of reasons with most already being discussed. I have to believe that Myles won't get uptight when he gets his D okay. The players on his teams weren't as much help as some of the other players had and he is used to scoring no matter what and I say that knowing his competition wasn't as great. What Roosevelt did was put him in a position where he was everything, and that allowed him to grow offensively. He could take shots that he couldn't have at Carmel or high quality teams. Now, he is behind on his D and maybe only slightly better than Woody was his freshman year on his D, but I just think this team fills some gaps last years team had and think Myles can do things others couldn't..."if" he gets his D okay. Just hope the newcomers get the early turnovers due to pressure out early...
Just because you don’t agree doesn’t mean my views are unrealistic. All it means is you don’t have a good understanding of basketball.
The good thing with defense is that Myles can learn it and apply his athleticism to it. It may not stick right away with him (hope it does), but I am guessing as the season goes on, it will click so he can play significant minutes this year. However, if it doesn’t, I joke he can bring his shooting ability when we need it and I am sure he will play big mins next year and be a great all around player.
I wouldn’t mind him coming around slowly and being the X factor in the tourney
I agree with you on all counts, but here are my thoughts.
We need a little bit of luck if we are able to get to that second weekend too!
What I have heard said by people who watched him play last year is that Jones took a lot of long, low percentage threes last season and that his shooting percentage was much better earlier in his career when he wasn’t being relied on to be a primary scorer. My bet is that his role on the offense will be a lot more like PJ Thompson than Carsen Edwards and that the threes that he takes will be shots that he can make at a decent percentage.
Read an article about Jones and how he was asked to shoot more on a team that needed it last year.
I m fascinated to see if the B1G referees games differently. It is clear that "our" style of play and officiating does not fit the Dance. Will the B1G do anything about that?
Is this a serious question or rhetorical? The Big has known this for years and refused to do anything. We joke about Big basketball being rugby/football/wrestling on court yet nothing has been done. Refs constantly swallow their whistles and make the game about themselves.
maybe both. You mumble all year about Painter not changing .... maybe both he and the B1G figure out that if you do the same thing, you'll get the same results. IS THIS THE YEAR?
I think for the most part you actually agreed with me? I'm sure you have seen be post before, I'm not one of the we need to change everything type of guys. I think all we need is some outside shooters that can hit open shots, and one athletic guy to create shots when everyone else gets cold (on top of our normal dominant post game).
Jenkins shot 35% from 3 last year. Similar assist to turnover ratio as Jones. I expect Jones to be a better defender but a wash on the offensive end.
I think it is more about referees "inside" the Big gyms. Many of these same refs work elsewhere as well. Perhaps Purdue does well early in the season unlike the end of the season and only the Big ref'd games lie in-between?
Well, I agreed with a lot. North Texas and FAU did "double" and sometimes would dig "after" Zach had the ball. North Texas got the benefit of Purdue's D overhelping...just as IU did in trailing the offensive player on sideline screens fearing the 3 ball if the offensive player stops behind the screen.
Thought the kids were uptight last year more than anything else. Gene's teams played that way it seemed sometimes. Matt has always loosened the reigns compared to Gene. I often wonder if there is too much information overload or why it seems more than usual players get uptight. Purdue had some great looks against FDU...wish they would have driven the ball a bit more. Jaden went out of control the year before. I have a hard time blaming Purdue's style of play being effective for preseason and the Big and not in the tourney due to "style" only. REffing is a different story as are players being too tight. It won't be long before we get a feel for this Purdue team
Yeah overall I’m not very high on jones, at all. That’s why I mentioned in an earlier post that any positive contributions from him I’ll consider as gravy. I think he’ll end up just being another guy in a long line of forgettable one year transfers(minus octeus). But who knows, maybe he surprises. And I most certainly hope he does, as we desperately need all the help we can get at guard. Still super thin there this year.
You caught me! I do agree that our overall style is great as long as we hit outside shots and at least penetrate once in a while.
I do NOT want to be dependent on the 3 ball or the low post play. I do think both are important , but want to see some vertical play on drives and will accept some mid-range shots (not that my desires matter). Where I struggle is trying to understand why the struggle in the tourney. Last year Purdue was struggling towards the end. We all know that. We also know the players were familiar with the other teams and so it wasn't something new for a team struggling towards the end. What if it wasn't the tourney, but the Big continued for another week or so...would Purdue have faltered more? It seems to me there is more slapping and coming over the back in the tourney and I generally associated that with the Big East...right or wrong.
Balance in all things, my friend.I do NOT want to be dependent on the 3 ball or the low post play. I do think both are important , but want to see some vertical play on drives and will accept some mid-range shots (not that my desires matter). Where I struggle is trying to understand why the struggle in the tourney. Last year Purdue was struggling towards the end. We all know that. We also know the players were familiar with the other teams and so it wasn't something new for a team struggling towards the end. What if it wasn't the tourney, but the Big continued for another week or so...would Purdue have faltered more? It seems to me there is more slapping and coming over the back in the tourney and I generally associated that with the Big East...right or wrong.
I believe and hope the 3 is good enough to help with pressure and yet be able to score and play D. I think Brian is capable if not leaned on too hard by the defense. I think the open court situations are pleasant dreams to Myles and hope he learns to move his feet and stay in front of his man, because offensively there is a lot to like with Myles are far as scoring...don't know much about his passing. Overall, I just think Purdue upgraded in athletic ability with two (myles/Camden) and one player with on ball D (Jones). I'm curious about Trey and how he will be used as a 4 if Matt follows through, because unless he has really improved his stroke...and he could have...he will spend time in the mid range and low post play...not typical for Purdue's 4 in the past. Not that it couldn't work, but will it?
seems you know even less about basketball than you do football, if that’s possible…
Our guards looked like high schoolers against UConn and we had zero answer in the back court. The game shifted away from the center position years ago. Edey had a monster game and it still made no difference. As usual, you’re wrong but too stupid to realize it.
You can make the case that the center position is still important without discounting the importance of the other 4 positions. UConn arguably had the second best center in the country and had a big advantage over Purdue at 3 of the other 4 positions (with point guard being relatively even). They were one of the best college teams that I have seen since the beginning of the one and done era and there is no shame in coming up one game short of the championship against a historically good team.
