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I’m sure a lot of teams would take him, I’m not sure how many he’d start for.
Braden has to prove it this year. I'm not a AJ Hoggard or Dug McDaniel fan but I think most outside of Purdue see Braden as a likely honorable mention all BT this season. I think he's going to need to be considerably better than that for Purdue to make a March run unless someone else outside of Zach puts on their Superman cape.
 
We’ve already gone through this exercise.
And yes, I think the right coach would recruit better and have better tourney success.
Have we? I’ve never heard you give an answer…you seem to think it’s very simple to recruit top guards to Purdue, so thought you’d at least have a list of successful coaches that can recruit 4 and 5 star coaches that are dying to come to Purdue.
 
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You missed my point. Which wasn’t that it literally doesn’t matter, obviously it does. The point is that some people are happy that the team wins 25 games and think the tourney is gracmvy.. But from a national reputation and perception perspective, what you do in March is what matters.
im not satisfied with it…tbh, I could care less if we win the big ten for the next ten years or win 25 games (although that helps for better seeding). I want to see a F4 and I think the window to potentially do so is the next 1-3 years with the team we have and the recruits coming in for Painters style. The only other time that the expectations coming into the season were like this may have been when Hummel, Etwaun and JJ were around…and even then I don’t think they were this high.
 
Do you think Painter is the best possible option Purdue could get? You don’t think we could improve recruiting? Tourney performances?

Transitioning to a new coach always an upgrade??? Look no farther than Bob Knight leaving iu. Or Brad Stevens leaving Butler, Norm Stewart leaving Missouri, John Cheney leaving Temple, Lou Henson leaving Illinois, John Calipari leaving Massachusetts or Ray Meyer leaving DePaul.

Sure you have an occasional Va, Gonzaga, Arkansas situation or Cal @ KY that turns out rosy, but sometimes like iu...... it goes way south.
 
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Hope Smith is at 20-25 m this year. He gets worse with extended time esp when pressure is on.
I think he’ll be closer to 30. He’s a year older so maybe he’ll be able to handle it better and when facing full court pressure late in games, perhaps Jones can help take some pressure off.
 
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I’m sure a lot of teams would take him, I’m not sure how many he’d start for.

Moving the bar. You implied Smith was not worth a scholie......

"I don’t like giving scholarships to guards that no other program thinks is worth one."

Now you say a lot of teams would take him.

Which is it?

Look we agree on 2 things.....Sure there are better PGs, even in B10. Sure CMP has been average at best at recruiting guard talent with only 3 mega stars in his long tenure. But your phrasing on Smith just rubbed me wrong though.
 
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Hope Smith is at 20-25 m this year. He gets worse with extended time esp when pressure is on.
Chance of that if he's healthy is close to zero. I would like to see him play closer to 30 mpg than 35 mpg though. Would like to see him get a periodic breather so that he can consistently go at 100%. He definitely wore down at times in games last year.
 
Moving the bar. You implied Smith was not worth a scholie......

"I don’t like giving scholarships to guards that no other program thinks is worth one."

Now you say a lot of teams would take him.

Which is it?

Look we agree on 2 things.....Sure there are better PGs, even in B10. Sure CMP has been average at best at recruiting guard talent with only 3 mega stars in his long tenure. But your phrasing on Smith just rubbed me wrong though.
He doesn’t know what he wants….except for top tier guards and annual F4 trips!
 
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Don’t get me wrong, he’s one of the top coaches in college ball, but hasn’t gotten over the hump yet. Hopefully it’ll happen some time in the next 3 years.
Agree with both of you that there's a pretty big gap in the evaluation ranging from 'everything is fine' to 'this guy will never get us to a FF'.

I tend to be a self admitted Painter apologist and continuously state that the problem the last three years has been poor guard play more than it's been MP's coaching, but even I can admit that whether it's X's and O's or psychological, he's not been able to get his teams to respond when they've gotten punched in the mouth be less talented teams.

I'll also never understand why no one made a bigger deal out of the fact that a former low / mid-major guard, a guy from NJ and one of the worst ref's to work the Big Ten worked the FDU game and let Purdue get absolutely mauled, but that just adds to my MP apologist label.
 
Sorry Lil Andy, but You’re wrong. I was a big fan of Edwards and Ivey when they were in high school. I knew they’d be good for PU.
Didn’t opine on Edey. Wasn’t a fan of Smiths offer, or Cox, or Jacobson.
The revisionist history runs deep with this one. Again, honesty is not your strength.

You were all about the number of stars next to their name. You made countless posts criticizing Painter for recruiting 3 star players.
 
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You missed my point. Which wasn’t that it literally doesn’t matter, obviously it does. The point is that some people are happy that the team wins 25 games and think the tourney is gracmvy.. But from a national reputation and perception perspective, what you do in March is what matters.
Then ask why Rutgers gets so excited to knock us off as #1....why do teams rush the court after they beat us?....if March is the only thing that matters then other teams wouldn't care about those games....hell even Arkansas is still pumped about beating us in a game that doesn't count....every game matters, March is more important but it's not the only thing....that's the only knock on Painter is that he has no final four....it doesn't make him a failure of a coach though....and if Painter were to leave, 99.9% of the schools would go after him as a coach....
 
Then ask why Rutgers gets so excited to knock us off as #1....why do teams rush the court after they beat us?
Same reason we storm the field when we beat OSU in football, bit Michigan doesn't.
Because that's their level of expectation. We have higher expectations (to Painter's credit). Being consistently good-to-really-good is nice but not the ultimate goal. And when he fails to take advantage of great opportunities to take things to the next level, people get frustrated. Others are just happy to have what we've got. There's no right or wrong way to fan. To each their own.
 
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Same reason we storm the field when we beat OSU in football, bit Michigan doesn't.
Because that's their level of expectation. We have higher expectations (to Painter's credit). Being consistently good-to-really-good is nice but not the ultimate goal. And when he fails to take advantage of great opportunities to take things to the next level, people get frustrated. Others are just happy to have what we've got. There's no right or wrong way to fan. To each their own.
Michigan rushed the field 2 years ago against osu....yeah our expectations are raised, but that's because of Painter not because we are some blueblood....Purdue does not have an advantage over half of the big ten at least in bball....I know we'd like to get to the next level but let's be realistic here, we're not expected to be a great basketball program....Painter gives us the best chance to get there and it may never happen, but we don't "deserve" any better than what we've had...we're pretty far down the pecking order....
 
Same reason we storm the field when we beat OSU in football, bit Michigan doesn't.
Because that's their level of expectation. We have higher expectations (to Painter's credit). Being consistently good-to-really-good is nice but not the ultimate goal. And when he fails to take advantage of great opportunities to take things to the next level, people get frustrated. Others are just happy to have what we've got. There's no right or wrong way to fan. To each their own.
Being consistently good to really good is how you get a FF. Every once in a while a team will catch on fire at the right time and make one without being consistently good, but usually 3 of the 4 FF teams are consistently good. We have been consistently good for around 7-8 years now, and consistently great for around 5. It eventually will break your way if you are always in the drivers seat. With the exception of Uconn (who is a paradox in College Basketball), all the other champs had regular success leading up to their wins.
 
No it doesn’t. With all do respect, you are delusional. Purdue was beat by Arkansas-Little Rock, North Texas, St. Peter’s, and FDU. None of which had guards requiring big money.

Stop the CMP apologizing. Hold him accountable. He himself said he was the “common denominator” in the tourney shortcomings.
Most of those guards either:
1) weren’t big and strong enough to make it thru the 20 game B1G basketbrawl season.

2) weren’t “better” players than our guys, just played better on 1 given night. Our guys not named Ivey and Carsen can appear tight in the NCAA sometimes, and that’s a problem. We won’t know if it’s fixed until March.

I was referring to the high profile Power 5 portal guards, Pack, Carr, etc. Painter won’t guarantee those guys money and that’s going to limit us in the portal.
 
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Edey is one is the highest paid players in college basketball
A) you don’t have proof of that. You have speculation, but I can also provide speculation that Kansas won the bidding war for Flory. Which Painter didn’t take part in.

B) CMP didn’t guarantee him money in the recruiting process.
 
Have we? I’ve never heard you give an answer…you seem to think it’s very simple to recruit top guards to Purdue, so thought you’d at least have a list of successful coaches that can recruit 4 and 5 star coaches that are dying to come to Purdue.
Trust me. If you've been on the boards for a while, you've seen this debate go back n forth.

It usually goes like this:
1) "Give me a list of coaches better than Painter that you'd rather have!!!" (angry loud voice)
2) Me: A list of 4-5 candidates is provided (and no, it's not Brad Stevens, Coach K and Bill Self on the list).
3) "HE'D NEVER COME TO PURDUE!!!" (again, now even angrier loud voice)
4) Me: "You asked for a list, I provided a list, now you're angry with the list"
5) "Purdue wouldn't pay that much!!" (angry guy again)
6) Me: "Oh really, ask MBob why they made Brohm a top 3 paid football coach in the conference"
 
lol we all know that. You’ve been doggin on everything else too
No really. I give credit when it's due. I loved the Colvin and Heide gets, I didn't like the Smith or Painter's in ability to utilize the portal to upgrade at G.
Painter should be able to sell the idea to a top flight transfer guard, a kid with an NBA game and skill set, that he could come in, start right away, lead the team to a FF and NC, and get plenty of visibility to up his pro stock.
 
Transitioning to a new coach always an upgrade??? Look no farther than Bob Knight leaving iu. Or Brad Stevens leaving Butler, Norm Stewart leaving Missouri, John Cheney leaving Temple, Lou Henson leaving Illinois, John Calipari leaving Massachusetts or Ray Meyer leaving DePaul.

Sure you have an occasional Va, Gonzaga, Arkansas situation or Cal @ KY that turns out rosy, but sometimes like iu...... it goes way south.
Sure, it can go either way. No way of knowing and no guarantee of it being better. But, no guarantee of a new coach coming in and not making Purdue a really dangerous tourney team either.
 
Moving the bar. You implied Smith was not worth a scholie......

"I don’t like giving scholarships to guards that no other program thinks is worth one."

Now you say a lot of teams would take him.

Which is it?

Look we agree on 2 things.....Sure there are better PGs, even in B10. Sure CMP has been average at best at recruiting guard talent with only 3 mega stars in his long tenure. But your phrasing on Smith just rubbed me wrong though.
You have to read the entire conversation on Smith.
Yes, I was not onboard with the Smith scholie. He had some really good games last year but then showed some of his limitations once he was scouted.
The statement from a poster was something to the effect of "which B10 team wouldn't take Smith"? To which I replied with a list. Yes, after seeing him last year, they'd take him ,but he probably wouldn't start for the upper 1/2 of the conf teams.
Also, keep in mind, no B10 team, or any P5 team for that matter, offered Smith out of high school. Same as Cox.
 
The revisionist history runs deep with this one. Again, honesty is not your strength.

You were all about the number of stars next to their name. You made countless posts criticizing Painter for recruiting 3 star players.
Sorry Lil Andy.....If you have the time, which you probably do, go back about 6 years and read my comments on Edwards and Ivey. Loved them both well before they stepped foot on campus.
 
Sure, it can go either way. No way of knowing and no guarantee of it being better. But, no guarantee of a new coach coming in and not making Purdue a really dangerous tourney team either.

Guess I have less faith in the AD and the leaders of our NIL than you do.

While CMP is extremely disappointing in the tourney, and particularly in recruiting stud guards, he might be as good as Purdue ever could be? Butler and iu haven't been the same since their stud coaches left. And yes CMP is not @ their level. But still if CMP left, why Purdue in the same state would be a different story than the demise of Butler & iu.... I doubt it would.
 
Then ask why Rutgers gets so excited to knock us off as #1....why do teams rush the court after they beat us?....if March is the only thing that matters then other teams wouldn't care about those games....hell even Arkansas is still pumped about beating us in a game that doesn't count....every game matters, March is more important but it's not the only thing....that's the only knock on Painter is that he has no final four....it doesn't make him a failure of a coach though....and if Painter were to leave, 99.9% of the schools would go after him as a coach....
teams rush the floor anytime they beat a 1 or 2, doesn't matter who the team is.

Never said Painter is a failure of a coach. He's a good X's and O's coach who has a lot of success in the regular season when he knows the teams he's playing and has them well scouted.
But, it's undeniable he struggles, alot, in the tourney. It's also undeniable that he's extremely stubborn in his system (man D, no zone, struggles to recruit athletic guards, O runs through a big in the low post unless you have Carsen Edwards).
 
You missed my point. Which wasn’t that it literally doesn’t matter, obviously it does. The point is that some people are happy that the team wins 25 games and think the tourney is gracmvy.. But from a national reputation and perception perspective, what you do in March is what matters.
I actually think there is another reason the regular season matters that isn't being discussed: As a fan, starting tonight, I have the next 4+ months to look forward to and enjoy each game. I get to come here and discuss each one, get mad or happy with each one and overall make for an exciting 4 months.

Also the regular season does matter, because that little number beside your teams name draws attention. Is it as important as March for national attention? No, but it does matter in how your team is looked at. I'm not defending our performance in March, hell even CMP said he has to do better and he is the common denominator. But I think you take March too far when you say the regular season doesn't matter.
 
Michigan rushed the field 2 years ago against osu....yeah our expectations are raised, but that's because of Painter not because we are some blueblood....Purdue does not have an advantage over half of the big ten at least in bball....I know we'd like to get to the next level but let's be realistic here, we're not expected to be a great basketball program....Painter gives us the best chance to get there and it may never happen, but we don't "deserve" any better than what we've had...we're pretty far down the pecking order....
Purdue has arguably one of the top 3 home court advantages nationwide. How's that not an advantage? Why can't we have the expectation to be great? Do you think the expectations for MSU are different than at Purdue? Why?
 
Guess I have less faith in the AD and the leaders of our NIL than you do.

While CMP is extremely disappointing in the tourney, and particularly in recruiting stud guards, he might be as good as Purdue ever could be? Butler and iu haven't been the same since their stud coaches left. And yes CMP is not @ their level. But still if CMP left, why Purdue in the same state would be a different story than the demise of Butler & iu.... I doubt it would.
Well, according to some here, we'll find out in about 3 years because the belief is that Painter stays as long as he wants. In 3 years, that'll be what, 23 years at Purdue?
Now, if he gets to the FF or wins a NC in that time, the narrative changes.
 
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I actually think there is another reason the regular season matters that isn't being discussed: As a fan, starting tonight, I have the next 4+ months to look forward to and enjoy each game. I get to come here and discuss each one, get mad or happy with each one and overall make for an exciting 4 months.

Also the regular season does matter, because that little number beside your teams name draws attention. Is it as important as March for national attention? No, but it does matter in how your team is looked at. I'm not defending our performance in March, hell even CMP said he has to do better and he is the common denominator. But I think you take March too far when you say the regular season doesn't matter.
Don't get me wrong, I'll watch every game as well. I'll get excited when we win and disappointed when we lose and I'll be on here to discuss. But, if Purdue goes 25-5 (my prediction), gets a 1-2 seed and fails to make it out of the first weekend.....oh man....
 
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