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You have to read the entire conversation on Smith.
Yes, I was not onboard with the Smith scholie. He had some really good games last year but then showed some of his limitations once he was scouted.
The statement from a poster was something to the effect of "which B10 team wouldn't take Smith"? To which I replied with a list. Yes, after seeing him last year, they'd take him ,but he probably wouldn't start for the upper 1/2 of the conf teams.
Also, keep in mind, no B10 team, or any P5 team for that matter, offered Smith out of high school. Same as Cox.

I was that poster.

Smith while not tall enough, is the least of this teams problems. He just needs to keep his minutes around 25 and keep TOs down and we will be fine. Jones should help there.

Purdue has greater issues @ the 2, 3 & 4 that I hope are solved with improvement & additions of athleticism ......But will see come year's end.
 
6) Me: "Oh really, ask MBob why they made Brohm a top 3 paid football coach in the conference"
There’s ROI for big money on a good football coach. As Brohm proved.

There isn’t ROI on spending $75 million for a new basketball coach (Painters buyout plus $10 million a year for new coach).

Season is sold out, making tons of revenue on parking, concessions, etc.

Sometimes I wonder if you have any grasp on how business actually works…
 
Painter should be able to sell the idea to a top flight transfer guard, a kid with an NBA game and skill set, that he could come in, start right away, lead the team to a FF and NC, and get plenty of visibility to up his pro stock.
LOL. So ignorant…That’s not what kids are looking for in the portal….
 
Don't get me wrong, I'll watch every game as well. I'll get excited when we win and disappointed when we lose and I'll be on here to discuss. But, if Purdue goes 25-5 (my prediction), gets a 1-2 seed and fails to make it out of the first weekend.....oh man....
What are you going to do if that happens? Continue to just say the same thing over and over?

What if it doesn’t happen and they get to a F4?
 
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I don’t feel our major weaknesses are being addressed. We need dynamic guards that have speed, athleticism, can handle the ball and break a press, etc. Overall team athleticism needs an upgrade badly. Less 7 foot centers and more athletic guards.
Colvin can do that , give him a little bit. Catchings will help elevate the team with everything that he’s going to bring in as one of painters best recruits (as long as he still comes). Harris will definitely fit the description you mentioned if we can somehow get him and cox may as well…can’t say on him yet.
 
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Well, according to some here, we'll find out in about 3 years because the belief is that Painter stays as long as he wants. In 3 years, that'll be what, 23 years at Purdue?
Now, if he gets to the FF or wins a NC in that time, the narrative changes.
Why would painter be let go for having sold out seasons, being ranked in top 10 consistently, winning conference championships, making the tourney consistently and getting to S16s? Why would an AD let a coach like that go?

I’m just as frustrated with the tourney embarrassment, but cmon man. No AD would just fire a dude that brings all that to the table for the program.
 
Colvin can do that , give him a little bit. Catchings will help elevate the team with everything that he’s going to bring in as one of painters best recruits (as long as he still comes). Harris will definitely fit the description you mentioned if we can somehow get him and cox may as well…can’t say on him yet.
Agree to a point regarding Colvin, but he has a long way to go before he can excel as a guard in this system. There's a reason he's playing the 3 right now in spot minutes. I was holding out hope that he could work into the rotation behind Loyer. Loads of potential, but not there yet.

That said, do you think he has the skillset of a shooting guard, or will he flourish more as a wing?
 
Why would painter be let go for having sold out seasons, being ranked in top 10 consistently, winning conference championships, making the tourney consistently and getting to S16s? Why would an AD let a coach like that go?

I’m just as frustrated with the tourney embarrassment, but cmon man. No AD would just fire a dude that brings all that to the table for the program.
Yes, this. The ONLY thing he is missing is a natty. Achieve one of those, and he's easily in the conversation as one of the best coaches in the modern era.
 
Actually, that isn't true at all. The regular season matters not only for the conference title, but it also has a huge impact on what seed you get in the tournament. I know you have a hard on for CMP and I don't normally get involved in these back and forths with you. But in this case, I think you are wrong. If you want to argue that CMP has underperformed in the Dance, you have plenty of ammo for that and I wouldn't really argue with you. But when you say the regular season means nothing, you are flat wrong. Without the regular season, there is no Dance. If you have a poor regular season, you are either out of the Dance completely or you have such a poor seed that the odds are greatly against you going anywhere.

Again, March is very important, but it isn't the only thing that matters. If I were to bet, I would bet the overall performance of PU goes down after CMP, not up. We're not going to find out for a long time, so it's an argument that won't be proven for many years, but that is my opinion.
Unless we get another high seed and fall to a double digit seed again. His seat may get very warm.
 
Yes, this. The ONLY thing he is missing is a natty. Achieve one of those, and he's easily in the conversation as one of the best coaches in the modern era.
I think he’d need at least 2 to be even considered for that….def one of the best that hasn’t won/gone to a F4 tho.
 
Unless we get another high seed and fall to a double digit seed again. His seat may get very warm.
Why would it? What’s the incentive for the AD to get rid of him because he loses to a high seed again? This isn’t the pros…think about the whole picture. Purdue continues to sell out its season, be ranked top 10 nationally, be top in its conf and consistently make the tournament and make 4 of 6 S16.

I am super disappointed and embarrassed with the losses, it makes it very tough to talk any trash to other college teams haha. But be realistic here…he would have to have 3-4 really disappointing seasons where they miss the tourney and finish middle of the road to lower end of the B1G for him to be on the hot seat.
 
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Agree to a point regarding Colvin, but he has a long way to go before he can excel as a guard in this system. There's a reason he's playing the 3 right now in spot minutes. I was holding out hope that he could work into the rotation behind Loyer. Loads of potential, but not there yet.

That said, do you think he has the skillset of a shooting guard, or will he flourish more as a wing?
He’s a 2 and right now Painter is starting 3 guards—with Heide coming in and then switching to the more traditional lineup. Colvin will backup Loyer and has a good stroke. I am hoping the game slows down a bit for him, get comfortable playing defense and then start playing good mins by late January.
 
I think he’d need at least 2 to be even considered for that….def one of the best that hasn’t won/gone to a F4 tho.
I realize I'm in the minority, but F4's just don't matter to me. At all. It's a strange concept...why celebrate the fact that you almost won a championship?

Besides, what's so great about being the bridesmaid over and over again without a trophy to show for it? There isn't another sport on earth that celebrates the top four like the NCAAT. Can you imagine the 4th place driver at the Brickyard 400 getting a congratulatory trophy? Or the loser of the AFC championship game? Or the loser of the NLCS? The 4th place golfer at the PGA championship? Absurd.
 
I realize I'm in the minority, but F4's just don't matter to me. At all. It's a strange concept...why celebrate the fact that you almost won a championship?

Besides, what's so great about being the bridesmaid over and over again without a trophy to show for it? There isn't another sport on earth that celebrates the top four like the NCAAT. Can you imagine the 4th place driver at the Brickyard 400 getting a congratulatory trophy? Or the loser of the AFC championship game? Or the loser of the NLCS? The 4th place golfer at the PGA championship? Absurd.
So then would Scott Drew and Tony Bennett be considered top coaches in the modern era in your eyes?
 
I realize I'm in the minority, but F4's just don't matter to me. At all. It's a strange concept...why celebrate the fact that you almost won a championship?

Besides, what's so great about being the bridesmaid over and over again without a trophy to show for it? There isn't another sport on earth that celebrates the top four like the NCAAT. Can you imagine the 4th place driver at the Brickyard 400 getting a congratulatory trophy? Or the loser of the AFC championship game? Or the loser of the NLCS? The 4th place golfer at the PGA championship? Absurd.
I generally agree with you that I don’t see why final fours are held to the same regard at times as winning it all, but I also see why they’re still something to celebrate. In college, you’re competing against 350+ teams. It’s not like the professional leagues where it’s generally about 32 teams. It’s just a college thing. Pretty much every college sport celebrates making it to the final stage of the respective tournament. College baseball holds a high reverence for making it to Omaha (elite 8). There’s also the Frozen four for hockey, and so on. When you have that many teams competing, it’s an impressive feat. It’s very similar to professional teams celebrating conference championships (AFC, NL, etc.) even when they lose the title. When you think of the amount of teams involved, making a final four is definitely a more impressive feat than winning a conference title.
 
I generally agree with you that I don’t see why final fours are held to the same regard at times as winning it all, but I also see why they’re still something to celebrate. In college, you’re competing against 350+ teams. It’s not like the professional leagues where it’s generally about 32 teams. It’s just a college thing. Pretty much every college sport celebrates making it to the final stage of the respective tournament. College baseball holds a high reverence for making it to Omaha (elite 8). There’s also the Frozen four for hockey, and so on. When you have that many teams competing, it’s an impressive feat. It’s very similar to professional teams celebrating conference championships (AFC, NL, etc.) even when they lose the title. When you think of the amount of teams involved, making a final four is definitely a more impressive feat than winning a conference title.
Hey the colts hang banners for winning wild card games.
 
There’s ROI for big money on a good football coach. As Brohm proved.

There isn’t ROI on spending $75 million for a new basketball coach (Painters buyout plus $10 million a year for new coach).

Season is sold out, making tons of revenue on parking, concessions, etc.

Sometimes I wonder if you have any grasp on how business actually works…

He did donate $1m to NIL and has no idea where his money went.
 
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There’s ROI for big money on a good football coach. As Brohm proved.

There isn’t ROI on spending $75 million for a new basketball coach (Painters buyout plus $10 million a year for new coach).

Season is sold out, making tons of revenue on parking, concessions, etc.

Sometimes I wonder if you have any grasp on how business actually works…
I agree with this 100%. I've said many times that the ath admin is more concerned with the financials than performance in March. To them, asses in the seats, retail, etc is more important than a deep run in the tourney. Tourney success is just gravy.
 
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Hey the colts hang banners for winning wild card games.


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What are you going to do if that happens? Continue to just say the same thing over and over?

What if it doesn’t happen and they get to a F4?
When/If Painter gets to a FF, I'll definitely change my tune.
And, I'll be there in person to see it.
But, until that happens, Painter's reputation will be what it is: A really good coach who struggles in March.
 
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Why would painter be let go for having sold out seasons, being ranked in top 10 consistently, winning conference championships, making the tourney consistently and getting to S16s? Why would an AD let a coach like that go?

I’m just as frustrated with the tourney embarrassment, but cmon man. No AD would just fire a dude that brings all that to the table for the program.
He won't be fired, but it's not inconceivable that he wouldn't move on. Maybe he gets an offer from another school that he can't refuse and Purdue doesn't want to match it.
Nobody ever thought Bob Knight would ever coach anywhere except iu....
 
He won't be fired, but it's not inconceivable that he wouldn't move on. Maybe he gets an offer from another school that he can't refuse and Purdue doesn't want to match it.
Nobody ever thought Bob Knight would ever coach anywhere except iu....
Both known chokers.
 
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I agree with this 100%. I've said many times that the ath admin is more concerned with the financials than performance in March. To them, asses in the seats, retail, etc is more important than a deep run in the tourney. Tourney success is just gravy.
The only way it would happen is if a donor stepped up to fund the $40 million difference, while also threatening to withdraw his current level of funding. Not happening.
 
There’s ROI for big money on a good football coach. As Brohm proved.

There isn’t ROI on spending $75 million for a new basketball coach (Painters buyout plus $10 million a year for new coach).

Season is sold out, making tons of revenue on parking, concessions, etc.

Sometimes I wonder if you have any grasp on how business actually works…
Hmmm, I wonder why the season is sold out and did so very rapidly, it took a couple hours or less once general ticket sales opened up. Do we think it had anything to do with multiple successful years of competition and outcomes on the court by guys playing team basketball for our Purdue University? Those years under the guidance and recruiting of Painter and crew?
Definitely some disappointment in there especially in tournament performance but man there’s been lots of good games and fun watching along the way. Boiler up every body and enjoy the journey, mourn the loses and support our team no matter what! Look around, it could be a lot different/worse, we’ve been hanging in the top 25 for multiple years running and in the top 10 for the most part the past few…that’s out of 350+ D1 basketball programs.
 
Sorry Lil Andy.....If you have the time, which you probably do, go back about 6 years and read my comments on Edwards and Ivey. Loved them both well before they stepped foot on campus.
Moving the bar, as everyone knows you like to do. It's another form of dishonesty that you seem to think you get away with, but everyone sees it. Six months ago? Six months ago was long after they left Purdue. Your negative comments came when it was announced that Purdue offered them scholarships. it was no different than your comments in this thread about the current recruits.

You said the exact thing about Carsen Edwards that you said about Smith. They both were listed at identical height and weight when Painter offered, and you went on one of your tirades about "small guards" and how you didn't want them. Of course I don't expect you to admit it. You never do. For Ivey, you complained, like you are doing in this thread, that you didn't want low-rated guards that had no other power conference offers. For Haas and Edey, you compared them to Matt ten Dam and said you didn't want the big, slow, white guys. You have always been a broken record when it comes to recruiting. Just as predictable as you are at moving the bar when you see you are wrong. After players proved to you that they were worthy of a scholarship, you now say you recognized their greatness from the beginning and were in favor of their recruitment. In a year or two, I fully expect you will say that you were always in favor of the current recruits. lol

Blowfish doing the blowfish thing.
 
Moving the bar, as everyone knows you like to do. It's another form of dishonesty that you seem to think you get away with, but everyone sees it. Six months ago? Six months ago was long after they left Purdue. Your negative comments came when it was announced that Purdue offered them scholarships. it was no different than your comments in this thread about the current recruits.

You said the exact thing about Carsen Edwards that you said about Smith. They both were listed at identical height and weight when Painter offered, and you went on one of your tirades about "small guards" and how you didn't want them. Of course I don't expect you to admit it. You never do. For Ivey, you complained, like you are doing in this thread, that you didn't want low-rated guards that had no other power conference offers. For Haas and Edey, you compared them to Matt ten Dam and said you didn't want the big, slow, white guys. You have always been a broken record when it comes to recruiting. Just as predictable as you are at moving the bar when you see you are wrong. After players proved to you that they were worthy of a scholarship, you now say you recognized their greatness from the beginning and were in favor of their recruitment. In a year or two, I fully expect you will say that you were always in favor of the current recruits. lol

Blowfish doing the blowfish thing.
Try reading his post again. Slowly this time.
 
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The main problem when you argue with fools is that you become indistinguishable from them because you must make your arguments simple enough that they understand them. However, even the simplest argument gets past many.

I for one think this 2024 class is indicative of the uptick in recruiting we have seen lately.
 
Moving the bar, as everyone knows you like to do. It's another form of dishonesty that you seem to think you get away with, but everyone sees it. Six months ago? Six months ago was long after they left Purdue. Your negative comments came when it was announced that Purdue offered them scholarships. it was no different than your comments in this thread about the current recruits.

You said the exact thing about Carsen Edwards that you said about Smith. They both were listed at identical height and weight when Painter offered, and you went on one of your tirades about "small guards" and how you didn't want them. Of course I don't expect you to admit it. You never do. For Ivey, you complained, like you are doing in this thread, that you didn't want low-rated guards that had no other power conference offers. For Haas and Edey, you compared them to Matt ten Dam and said you didn't want the big, slow, white guys. You have always been a broken record when it comes to recruiting. Just as predictable as you are at moving the bar when you see you are wrong. After players proved to you that they were worthy of a scholarship, you now say you recognized their greatness from the beginning and were in favor of their recruitment. In a year or two, I fully expect you will say that you were always in favor of the current recruits. lol

Blowfish doing the blowfish thing.
Wow, you sure spent a lot of time posting jibberish. I didn’t read it all.
 
The main problem when you argue with fools is that you become indistinguishable from them because you must make your arguments simple enough that they understand them. However, even the simplest argument gets past many.

I for one think this 2024 class is indicative of the uptick in recruiting we have seen lately.
Is catchings better than 90% committed?
 
Isn't there continued speculation that Catchings might not stick with his commitment to Purdue?
I don’t think so anymore. He’s been on campus shooting around and trying to help recruit Harris. Also, while he’s putting up decent stats at OTE, he’s also not always getting the most PT and I think is finding out he has a bit more to work on. He could always still stay at OTE, but I think he’s still coming to Purdue.
 
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I don’t think so anymore. He’s been on campus shooting around and trying to help recruit Harris. Also, while he’s putting up decent stats at OTE, he’s also not always getting the most PT and I think is finding out he has a bit more to work on. He could always still stay at OTE, but I think he’s still coming to Purdue.

I heard an anonymous donor gave $1m to the BA and that money will ensure Catchings makes it to Purdue
 
Agree to a point regarding Colvin, but he has a long way to go before he can excel as a guard in this system. There's a reason he's playing the 3 right now in spot minutes. I was holding out hope that he could work into the rotation behind Loyer. Loads of potential, but not there yet.

That said, do you think he has the skillset of a shooting guard, or will he flourish more as a wing?
Wing players play on the 'wing', outside the paint. That describes both 2's and 3's for most teams. Also why both positions often referred to as swingmen, as for many teams the positions are interchangeable. At least offensively. i think if he can guard 2's, he'd be quite the force at that position, but if he can help with rebounding, (remember that need, pre-Zachen) playing the 3 is fine too.
 
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