Jacobsen to announce friday

[DwaynePurvis00]

None of the first 3 you mentioned are guards, though all of them do appear to be athletically gifted which is a nice start. I think Harris will be good for us, but he doesn't appear to be the kind of dynamic scoring guard that we need. Cox, that was so out of left field that even Neubert never heard a mention of the kid literally until he committed. And I'm definitely not a "blindly trust in painter" type of guy, so I'll remain very skeptical of this commit until he proves otherwise. We're pretty much stuck with loyer and smith as our main guards for the next 3 years, and honestly, I don't see that duo at all being able to get us over the march hump.

Cox looked more athletic and confident than Perry in their matchup. No doubt Perry can score, but it’s tough to tell if he’s able to do that at the next level.

Colvin is a 2 and if he can figure things out on the def side, will prob start ahead of Loyer or play more mins next year. Kid can get a shot whenever he wants and is a good shooter…if the game slows down for him later this year or at the start of next, he is going to be huge for us and then next year, him and Catchings will be something to watch!

 

[Heads up BOILER]

His recruiting is honestly a joke at this point. We desperately need dynamic, athletic, high-level guards, and his answer is to get an unrated kid from the east coast that no one has ever heard of and sign another center in this class giving us 2 total including burgess. At least he wins a lot in the regular season, but as per usual, don't expect much in March.

Seems the same thing was said about Braden Smith (#187) with no power 5 offers outside of Purdue when he committed. Maybe he doesn’t pan out but maybe he will. I like to use the eye test along with ratings and reporting to assess the players. Have little video that I’ve seen but he appears pretty talented to me. Maybe Vegas was a one off but he was the best guard on the court in that small sample. Hopefully Cox has a great career as a Boiler but only time will tell.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Seems the same thing was said about Braden Smith (#187) with no power 5 offers outside of Purdue when he committed. Maybe he doesn’t pan out but maybe he will. I like to use the eye test along with ratings and reporting to assess the players. Have little video that I’ve seen but he appears pretty talented to me. Maybe Vegas was a one off but he was the best guard on the court in that small sample. Hopefully Cox has a great career as a Boiler but only time will tell.

Agreed but we still need another point guard. Harris would be help there and not sure we could get a transfer if we have over signed/have no scholarships left

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Well, hopefully Cox can handle backup PG duties, cuz as of right now, we have no one to back up smith. Hoping we can workout to get Harris somehow.

I think that’s why he was offered. Painter wanted Perry, but I watched the game where Cox played against Perry and if I only go by one game, I’ll go with Cox. Perry is a very good player, but Cox definitely belonged.

 

[johnboiler123]

Seems the same thing was said about Braden Smith (#187) with no power 5 offers outside of Purdue when he committed. Maybe he doesn’t pan out but maybe he will. I like to use the eye test along with ratings and reporting to assess the players. Have little video that I’ve seen but he appears pretty talented to me. Maybe Vegas was a one off but he was the best guard on the court in that small sample. Hopefully Cox has a great career as a Boiler but only time will tell.

I guess I'm just not a fan of filling out our guard room with a bunch of guys that no other p5 schools wanted when that's our biggest weakness currently. To each their own, though.

 

[Heads up BOILER]

I guess I'm just not a fan of filling out our guard room with a bunch of guys that no other p5 schools wanted when that's our biggest weakness currently. To each their own, though.

I’m definitely not opposed to getting a highly ranked guard or two but I’m also not opposed to signing talented guys that are flying under the radar. I agree we need guard depth… I do think Colvin is going get time at the 2 and he’s listed on Purdue website as a guard. 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

[northside100]

You don’t need to be a blue blood to recruit high quality guards.

I’m not sure how that is relevant to the point of fans being unhappy with Painter recruiting traditional bigs. Help me out, I may be missing the point.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I think that’s why he was offered. Painter wanted Perry, but I watched the game where Cox played against Perry and if I only go by one game, I’ll go with Cox. Perry is a very good player, but Cox definitely belonged.

Yeah I agree. I guess more so, if we need another PG because one of them gets hurt (hopefully that doesn’t happen!!) we don’t really have another ball handler at this point.

 

[northside100]

I guess I'm just not a fan of filling out our guard room with a bunch of guys that no other p5 schools wanted when that's our biggest weakness currently. To each their own, though.

Are you referring Cox and Benter?

 

[GemstateBoiler]

Just watched some footage of Mr. Jacobsen. He is not bound to 3 foot from the basket. His 3-point shot has pretty good form. I like he doesn't shy away from contact also. He'll need to work on keeping the ball high and dribbling in a crowd at the next level, but I think he could be really good. Great looking young player who doesn't tire quickly. Go Boilers!

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I guess I'm just not a fan of filling out our guard room with a bunch of guys that no other p5 schools wanted when that's our biggest weakness currently. To each their own, though.

Fletch was offered by mizzou, ND and Michigan to name a few. Colvin was wrapped up quick by Purdue, but IU and butler offered and I’m sure more would have if he hadn’t of committed so early.

Smith was the only one without other P5 offers, but he had a mid season foot injury as as a senior that he came back from, and still whooped up on the competition . It prob doesn’t help he is on the shorter side…if he were 6’2 everyone would have been after him. But either way, kid is a dawg and a gamer. You could see that from his highlight reels at Westfield and he just had a pretty damn good freshman season while running point for a top 5 team in the country …all while being “unranked”. Cox is going to surprise people and should rise the rankings this fall and winter…if that’s something that actually matters. If we can land Harris, a hard nosed defensive player who can facilitate and score, I’ll stop worrying about the guards 😂

But I get your point. Even though not guards, Heide and Catchings have those other P5 offers and even Morton did. If Painter can have a bit more success in March he will get more ranked kids, but he will also continue to pick out those gems.

 

[BoilerDeac]

I’m not sure how that is relevant to the point of fans being unhappy with Painter recruiting traditional bigs. Help me out, I may be missing the point.

Your post insinuated that the way Painter recruits is because he/Purdue can’t recruit in the same way the the blue bloods do, so that is why CMP employs a different strategy of going after more big men.

Maybe I was misinterpreting/misunderstanding.

My point was that there are plenty of talented guards out there beyond who the “blue bloods” are recruiting.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Just watched some footage of Mr. Jacobsen. He is not bound to 3 foot from the basket. His 3-point shot has pretty good form. I like he doesn't shy away from contact also. He'll need to work on keeping the ball high and dribbling in a crowd at the next level, but I think he could be really good. Great looking young player who doesn't tire quickly. Go Boilers!

I think that this is noteworthy for sure. Both Burgess and Jacobsen have reputations as excellent 3 point shooters. It appears to me that this is an intentional decision by Painter to recruit this type of big.

 

[BoilerAndy]

Gotta admit, not that excited about this commit. Painters roster build philosophy has not produced tourney success but it seems he keeps doing the same thing.

You said the same when he offered Carsen Edwards. And Zach Edey. And Jaden Ivey. And Braden Smith. So I'm pretty happy that you feel the same about these recruits.

 

[mathboy]

Not quite sure why I am reading all this whining and woe-is-us crap about the recruits coming in for 2024. This is probably one of the best classes Purdue has ever recruited. Maybe better than the baby boiler class.
1. Cox
2. Catching
3. Benter
4. Burgess
5. Jacobsen

Perhaps people just need to let the bad stuff out and it winds up in their posts.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Not quite sure why I am reading all this whining and woe-is-us crap about the recruits coming in for 2024. This is probably one of the best classes Purdue has ever recruited. Maybe better than the baby boiler class.
1. Cox
2. Catching
3. Benter
4. Burgess
5. Jacobsen

Perhaps people just need to let the bad stuff out and it winds up in their posts.

I think the whining is us getting a second big when we already have TKR, Furst, Berg and Burgess for 2024. I think we were hoping for another guard like G. Harris (we are all hoping we can somehow oversign and get him to go to Purdue).

 

[tjreese]

Just watched some footage of Mr. Jacobsen. He is not bound to 3 foot from the basket. His 3-point shot has pretty good form. I like he doesn't shy away from contact also. He'll need to work on keeping the ball high and dribbling in a crowd at the next level, but I think he could be really good. Great looking young player who doesn't tire quickly. Go Boilers!

no view of him shooting where I can see his front, but with the angle provided I'd skip the pretty and just say good form...very good for a big!

 

[tjreese]

Not quite sure why I am reading all this whining and woe-is-us crap about the recruits coming in for 2024. This is probably one of the best classes Purdue has ever recruited. Maybe better than the baby boiler class.
1. Cox
2. Catching
3. Benter
4. Burgess
5. Jacobsen

Perhaps people just need to let the bad stuff out and it winds up in their posts.

wait and see on better than the baby boilers, but a very nice group

 

[rsomm]

Not quite sure why I am reading all this whining and woe-is-us crap about the recruits coming in for 2024. This is probably one of the best classes Purdue has ever recruited. Maybe better than the baby boiler class.
1. Cox
2. Catching
3. Benter
4. Burgess
5. Jacobsen

Perhaps people just need to let the bad stuff out and it winds up in their posts.

I wonder if Benter will ever make it to Purdue, not sure he will get playing time?

 

[PaBoiler78]

I wonder if Benter will ever make it to Purdue, not sure he will get playing time?

RS for sure

 

[bonefish1]

The problem is, when you’re hoping to find diamonds in the rough as part of your overall recruiting strategy, eventually most of those prayers don’t pan out. A player like Cox, that no other P5 team thinks is worth a scholarship, probably isn’t.

 

[bonefish1]

You said the same when he offered Carsen Edwards. And Zach Edey. And Jaden Ivey. And Braden Smith. So I'm pretty happy that you feel the same about these recruits.

Sorry Lil Andy, but You’re wrong. I was a big fan of Edwards and Ivey when they were in high school. I knew they’d be good for PU.
Didn’t opine on Edey. Wasn’t a fan of Smiths offer, or Cox, or Jacobson.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

The problem is, when you’re hoping to find diamonds in the rough as part of your overall recruiting strategy, eventually most of those prayers don’t pan out. A player like Cox, that no other P5 team thinks is worth a scholarship, probably isn’t.

Some don’t pan out, but most who don’t end up transferring out after a few years. Neither, Edey or Smith was highly rated, and I would trade them for any point guard/center combo in the country.

 

[northside100]

Your post insinuated that the way Painter recruits is because he/Purdue can’t recruit in the same way the the blue bloods do, so that is why CMP employs a different strategy of going after more big men.

Maybe I was misinterpreting/misunderstanding.

My point was that there are plenty of talented guards out there beyond who the “blue bloods” are recruiting.

Got it, thanks. I wasn’t speaking about the number of big men but rather the type, I.e. 7’+. and generally traditional post scorers. I'm not sure I understand the numbers concern I'm hearing from some here given that they already have Cox and Benter and will take Harris if they can get him. Signing Jacobsen absolutely does not preclude Purdue from signing Harris.

I agree that guard play was the problem last year (and could be this year, although I'm optimistic it will be better and more consistent) but the point I was trying to make, not very well, is that if you have dominant bigs and add in solid guard play you can do very well. If you don't have dominant bigs you need elite guard play to compete with KU, Duke, etc.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Saying that we can’t compete with blue bloods in recruiting is weak. I’ll put up Gonzaga as exhibit 1.
In addition, anyone who watches college hoops knows it’s a guard oriented game. You need guys who can take over a game and get you a bucket. Painter has only had a few of those. But…he continues to try and get 7 footers which again, is not the recipe for success in March.

We can’t afford to compete with Duke, UK, and Kansas in recruiting.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

You don’t need to be a blue blood to recruit high quality guards.

They cost big money and CMP won’t guarantee it up front.

 

[northside100]

Saying that we can’t compete with blue bloods in recruiting is weak. I’ll put up Gonzaga as exhibit 1.
In addition, anyone who watches college hoops knows it’s a guard oriented game. You need guys who can take over a game and get you a bucket. Painter has only had a few of those. But…he continues to try and get 7 footers which again, is not the recipe for success in March.

Note to Matt Painter: be the next Gonzaga (but obviously take the next steps and win it all). Serious question, what competitive advantage does Purdue have against the 50 other schools also trying to be the next Gonzaga?

What is the point of your second statement about needing guards who can take over a game? Are you saying that recruiting dominant low post scorers is what is precluding Painter from landing those guards?

How many teams outside of the blue bloods and your exhibit 1 of Gonzaga are consistently landing that type of guard? I'm not talking about who did well in the NCAAT last year, I'm asking who does it on a consistent basis over an extended period of time.

 

[northside100]

His recruiting is honestly a joke at this point.

I honestly hope you just keep topping yourself because it's entertaining as hell but just to be clear, you've now won the award.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I honestly hope you just keep topping yourself because it's entertaining as hell but just to be clear, you've now won the award.

Yeah the class of 2024 being rated tenth is just embarrassing! I mean our recruiting classes shouldn’t be any worse than top 3!!! What is painter doing out there?!!? (That’s sarcasm btw)

 

[northside100]

Yeah the class of 2024 being rated tenth is just embarrassing! I mean our recruiting classes shouldn’t be any worse than top 3!!! What is painter doing out there?!!? (That’s sarcasm btw)

In fairness that class ranking will go down at some point, even if they land Harris, because it's driven in part by Purdue having so many guys signed early, but the hyperbole is outrageous.

As you know I'm bullish on Smith and Loyer over the next three years but agree with your point (and others) that MP consistently landing high level guards would boost the program and avoid situations like last year where they had to start two true freshmen in the back court.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

In fairness that class ranking will go down at some point, even if they land Harris, because it's driven in part by Purdue having so many guys signed early, but the hyperbole is outrageous.

As you know I'm bullish on Smith and Loyer over the next three years but agree with your point (and others) that MP consistently landing high level guards would boost the program and avoid situations like last year where they had to start two true freshmen in the back court.

Good point on the ranking. I am ok with not getting the BEST guards in each class…but at least a few more like 3 star athletes just to have em. But we have had pretty good success that a lot of non blue bloods and IU included would take—4 out of 6 sweet sixteens with an E8. If we keep getting to the sweet sixteen, the more chances we get to get to the E8 or F4. Once you get to that second weekend in March, you need a bit of luck on your side to move on—even if you’re the more talented team.

 

[BoilerDeac]

They cost big money and CMP won’t guarantee it up front.

No it doesn’t. With all do respect, you are delusional. Purdue was beat by Arkansas-Little Rock, North Texas, St. Peter’s, and FDU. None of which had guards requiring big money.

Stop the CMP apologizing. Hold him accountable. He himself said he was the “common denominator” in the tourney shortcomings.

 

[nitrowars]

Gotta admit, not that excited about this commit. Painters roster build philosophy has not produced tourney success but it seems he keeps doing the same thing.

How is a basketball defender in a three-point shooter the same thing looks to me like he's trying other things

 

[bonefish1]

Some don’t pan out, but most who don’t end up transferring out after a few years. Neither, Edey or Smith was highly rated, and I would trade them for any point guard/center combo in the country.

I think you meant “wouldn’t “. But you’re only saying that because they’re at PU. I could probably find 10-15 better combos.
If that combo was that great, they don’t lose to a 16 seed. No matter what.

 

[bonefish1]

We can’t afford to compete with Duke, UK, and Kansas in recruiting.

Edey is one is the highest paid players in college basketball

 

[oldboiler52]

I wonder if Benter will ever make it to Purdue, not sure he will get playing time?

You clearly have never seen him play. I get it this is a great class and some perceive wrongly that Jack is the weak link. Kid is a player in the Dakota Mathias mold. IMO you can't have enough coach's kids and since when did being smart disqualify a player?

 

[Boiler Buck]

Edey is one is the highest paid players in college basketball

I have heard that. Wonder how we will know if that is actually true?

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Edey is one is the highest paid players in college basketball

Got a list for the highest paid players in college bball? You going off of NIL valuation list?

 

[SCBoiler1]

The only negative with signing 13 guys is you do run out of flexibility in building your roster next year. In my view, Catchings is probably the only guy who might play 20+ minutes next year.

I could see Cox getting 8 to 10 if he's the only option for backup minutes at the point. The question is will Cox be better as a freshmen than any possible transfer we may be able to get? I actually hope someone decides to transfer so Painter has the opportunity to explore the option of bringing in another point guard.

We won't know about the rest of these guys for a couple of years.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

I think you meant “wouldn’t “. But you’re only saying that because they’re at PU. I could probably find 10-15 better combos.
If that combo was that great, they don’t lose to a 16 seed. No matter what.

Maybe Proctor/Filipowski or Harris/Dickinson, but Smith/Edey is right there with them at the top, thus the top 3 ranked teams.