I'm a Painter supporter....but what if

[TwinDegrees2]

All these offers are on the table for solid players, and no one signs.

I would have thought by now Painter would have had one or two commits, so what if....

 

[BBG]

All these offers are on the table for solid players, and no one signs.

I would have thought by now Painter would have had one or two commits, so what if....

What if? Nothing. Well, the negative sky is fallong posts on here will be in abundance.

Reality is recruiting is a crap shoot and I'm not going to read in to it one way or another.

 

[Statey]

What if? Nothing. Well, the negative sky is fallong posts on here will be in abundance.

Reality is recruiting is a crap shoot and I'm not going to read in to it one way or another.

I agree with the first part - nothing. For example, whether Painter can get Jackson (presumably the top priority given the other commitments) won't change my view of him or the team this year.

Disagree a little on the second part. For years there has been nothing but talk about the 2017 class in Indiana, and based on prior scholarships it looked like Painter had been banking these, perhaps in anticipation of this class. To get none of the best (top 5-ish) Indiana kids and miss as well on the top tier out-of-state targets... I'm not jumping off a bridge or anything, but I absolutely think its fair to start drawing some conclusions about the level of recruiting that can be expected.

 

[TC4THREE]

Don't care about recruiting other than that he gets recruits he can win with.

 

[BBG]

Disagree a little on the second part. For years there has been nothing but talk about the 2017 class in Indiana, and based on prior scholarships it looked like Painter had been banking these, perhaps in anticipation of this class. To get none of the best (top 5-ish) Indiana kids and miss as well on the top tier out-of-state targets... I'm not jumping off a bridge or anything, but I absolutely think its fair to start drawing some conclusions about the level of recruiting that can be expected.

Fair enough. It's not like the coaching staff is just sitting around either and I firmly believe they are doing all they can (legally) to land kids. I still think he'll get what the team needs (which I guarantee won't meet the wants of some on this forum) and we'll be fine, but if not then I still won't jump off the ledge.

Painter does need to improve his recruiting skills but they aren't terrible either (I know you aren't saying that). He is going to win some and lose some along the way but I still think it is a different philosophy than it used to be. And what I mean by that is no longer are the small schools such a bad destination simple because everyone is on TV now. The exposure a player gets seems to be a high commodity and telling a potential recruit that he has to "earn" his role as it were may not sit well with some.

Then again, I'm not the one doing the recruiting and all of that is just my personal perception

 

[cprh9u]

I agree with the first part - nothing. For example, whether Painter can get Jackson (presumably the top priority given the other commitments) won't change my view of him or the team this year.

Disagree a little on the second part. For years there has been nothing but talk about the 2017 class in Indiana, and based on prior scholarships it looked like Painter had been banking these, perhaps in anticipation of this class. To get none of the best (top 5-ish) Indiana kids and miss as well on the top tier out-of-state targets... I'm not jumping off a bridge or anything, but I absolutely think its fair to start drawing some conclusions about the level of recruiting that can be expected.

Yep, 2017 class has been called out as the one where Painter will get it done. We shall see.

 

[bonefish1]

If MP misses out on all of the top 5 or so Indiana kids and doesn't land a single one, then it's an absolute failure in recruiting.
What other conditions do you want in order to land a Top 10 recruiting class?
If the class ends up being a bunch of 2nd or 3rd tier kids that we only starting recruiting recently and who we're taking from lower level programs, then I believe the new AD has got to start setting the wheels in motion.

 

[BoiledSteel]

If MP misses out on all of the top 5 or so Indiana kids and doesn't land a single one, then it's an absolute failure in recruiting.
What other conditions do you want in order to land a Top 10 recruiting class?
If the class ends up being a bunch of 2nd or 3rd tier kids that we only starting recruiting recently and who we're taking from lower level programs, then I believe the new AD has got to start setting the wheels in motion.

And your post shows you would do a knee jerk reaction and is the type of thing that flushed our football program down the toilet.

Only thing that will truly happen is like BBG said, this forum will become pretty much unreadable due to all the emotional reactions like yours.

 

[vilehoopster]

And your post shows you would do a knee jerk reaction and is the type of thing that flushed our football program down the toilet.

Only thing that will truly happen is like BBG said, this forum will become pretty much unreadable due to all the emotional reactions like yours.

If Painter got on the hot seat for just this class, you are correct, it would be a total knee-jerk reaction. But it is not the only time this has happened. It's happened before, again and again. Brandon Dawson and Gary Harris come to mind with many other whiffs. The shooting guard from Indy now at Xavier also just came to my mind. Is it knee-jerk when we can't out-recruit Xavier? How about that player (can't remember his first name) Goodwin? Did you see the list of schools still on his list after he cut Purdue out? God, that's embarrassing.

Also, we're talking about a coach who hasn't won an NCAA game in four years, including DEAD LAST in the Big Ten three years ago. So when we're talking four years, that's hardly a knee-jerk reaction.

I stay with my prediction TC, if Painter whiffs on the (some guy said it above) top 5-ish Indiana kids and top-tier other kids, Painter won't be here in 2020.

 

[TheRealDeal73]

Please explain to me what you guys think a good coach is. I don't get it you guys are confusing the shit out of me. I thought a good coach is somebody that wins 20 + games a year fights for a conference Championship every year and gets far in the tournament. Can't remember how many conference championships painters won one maybe two in 12 years has not made it past the sweet 16 at all. Has been bounced out of the first round twice in two years and from what you guys say he has a lot of NBA Talent on this team and last year. So to me there's no reason for specially if these players are as talented as you're saying.

 

[TheRealDeal73]

And before you start replying yes I live in a trailer park no I can't spell and no I don't know where the punctuation marks go in a sentence. So before any of you English teachers get on here and start pointing that out I've already done it for you I graded my own paper. Now answer the question since I got past that part. Oh yeah last but not least I'm an IU fan.

 

[TheRealDeal73]

Can not out recruit Xavier you better put Butler in that sentence to.

 

[TheRealDeal73]

How is it a emotional reaction when your team's not doing good for 4 years straight. And they get out recruited by smaller schools in their home state. Would it be an emotional reaction if we didn't win a game this year are we supposed to be happy with that too. Not saying that's going to happen but I believe if it did you guys would still have an excuse for Matt Painter.

 

[bonefish1]

If Painter got on the hot seat for just this class, you are correct, it would be a total knee-jerk reaction. But it is not the only time this has happened. It's happened before, again and again. Brandon Dawson and Gary Harris come to mind with many other whiffs. The shooting guard from Indy now at Xavier also just came to my mind. Is it knee-jerk when we can't out-recruit Xavier? How about that player (can't remember his first name) Goodwin? Did you see the list of schools still on his list after he cut Purdue out? God, that's embarrassing.

Also, we're talking about a coach who hasn't won an NCAA game in four years, including DEAD LAST in the Big Ten three years ago. So when we're talking four years, that's hardly a knee-jerk reaction.

I stay with my prediction TC, if Painter whiffs on the (some guy said it above) top 5-ish Indiana kids and top-tier other kids, Painter won't be here in 2020.

I think MP might be a good basketball coach, maybe a good X's and O's guy, but maybe he just doesn't have the 'juice' that's needed when he has a top tier recruit with him in his office on the official visit and he can't get the guy to believe Purdue is the best place to play.
And don't give me this "well, some players don't like to hear the truth and maybe that turns them off because Painter won't promise them anything." Come on? Seriously? Head coaches are like politicians; they're going to say what they need to say, when they need to say it, to get the desired outcome. And believe me, if MP thought promising a kid playing time was going to get the deal done, then he'd be promising him 50 minutes a game.

 

[TC4THREE]

If Painter got on the hot seat for just this class, you are correct, it would be a total knee-jerk reaction. But it is not the only time this has happened. It's happened before, again and again. Brandon Dawson and Gary Harris come to mind with many other whiffs. The shooting guard from Indy now at Xavier also just came to my mind. Is it knee-jerk when we can't out-recruit Xavier? How about that player (can't remember his first name) Goodwin? Did you see the list of schools still on his list after he cut Purdue out? God, that's embarrassing.

Also, we're talking about a coach who hasn't won an NCAA game in four years, including DEAD LAST in the Big Ten three years ago. So when we're talking four years, that's hardly a knee-jerk reaction.

I stay with my prediction TC, if Painter whiffs on the (some guy said it above) top 5-ish Indiana kids and top-tier other kids, Painter won't be here in 2020.

Good luck with all that.

 

[TC4THREE]

Would it be an emotional reaction if we didn't win a game this year are we supposed to be happy with that too.

Stupidity reaching new levels.

 

[TC4THREE]

And believe me, if MP thought promising a kid playing time was going to get the deal done, then he'd be promising him 50 minutes a game.

This is the exact opposite of anything I've ever read about how he recruits.

 

[bonefish1]

This is the exact opposite of anything I've ever read about how he recruits.

So, how many coaches have you read about who do promise playing time?
What the hell do you think they're going to tell people about promises they may or may not make?
Every coach is going to say something to the effect of "I don't care if you're a senior or a freshman, everyone is going to get an opportunity to compete for playing time and the starters will be the best 5 that give us a chance to win."
I guarantee everyone from Coach K to Izzo to Calipari say something similar to the players they're recruiting.
Now, what we can all agree on, is that whatever MP is saying, isn't hitting home.
He's swung and missed a lot more times than he's connecting with his target.

 

[BoiledSteel]

If Painter got on the hot seat for just this class, you are correct, it would be a total knee-jerk reaction. But it is not the only time this has happened. It's happened before, again and again. Brandon Dawson and Gary Harris come to mind with many other whiffs. The shooting guard from Indy now at Xavier also just came to my mind. Is it knee-jerk when we can't out-recruit Xavier? How about that player (can't remember his first name) Goodwin? Did you see the list of schools still on his list after he cut Purdue out? God, that's embarrassing.

Also, we're talking about a coach who hasn't won an NCAA game in four years, including DEAD LAST in the Big Ten three years ago. So when we're talking four years, that's hardly a knee-jerk reaction.

I stay with my prediction TC, if Painter whiffs on the (some guy said it above) top 5-ish Indiana kids and top-tier other kids, Painter won't be here in 2020.

It most certainly is a knee-jerk reaction because you immediately go for the negative and fail to see the bigger picture. Also when you get embarrassed because of a list of schools a player has that aren't Purdue, that is also emotional because it is impacting you on an non-realistic level. So really, thank you for proving my point.

 

[BoiledSteel]

So, how many coaches have you read about who do promise playing time?
What the hell do you think they're going to tell people about promises they may or may not make?
Every coach is going to say something to the effect of "I don't care if you're a senior or a freshman, everyone is going to get an opportunity to compete for playing time and the starters will be the best 5 that give us a chance to win."
I guarantee everyone from Coach K to Izzo to Calipari say something similar to the players they're recruiting.
Now, what we can all agree on, is that whatever MP is saying, isn't hitting home.
He's swung and missed a lot more times than he's connecting with his target.

Proof?

 

[bonefish1]

It most certainly is a knee-jerk reaction because you immediately go for the negative and fail to see the bigger picture. Also when you get embarrassed because of a list of schools a player has that aren't Purdue, that is also emotional because it is impacting you on an non-realistic level. So really, thank you for proving my point.

What is the 'bigger picture' that you're referring to?

 

[TC4THREE]

So, how many coaches have you read about who do promise playing time?
What the hell do you think they're going to tell people about promises they may or may not make?
Every coach is going to say something to the effect of "I don't care if you're a senior or a freshman, everyone is going to get an opportunity to compete for playing time and the starters will be the best 5 that give us a chance to win."
I guarantee everyone from Coach K to Izzo to Calipari say something similar to the players they're recruiting.
Now, what we can all agree on, is that whatever MP is saying, isn't hitting home.
He's swung and missed a lot more times than he's connecting with his target.

I've read/heard several recruits talk about how his recruiting style contrasts with others and how he cuts through the BS and gives it to them straight. Spike Albrecht on the the Dan Dakich Show earlier this summer is the most recent example that comes to mind. I've read quotes from other recruits/parents in the past. Both players/parents we've landed and not landed.

Now apparently some of you guys would tell the recruits exactly what they want to hear in order to land the players you want. I prefer the more ethical and honest approach even if it bruises your little internet ego some.

 

[bonefish1]

I've read/heard several recruits talk about how his recruiting style contrasts with others and how he cuts through the BS and gives it to them straight. Spike Albrecht on the the Dan Dakich Show earlier this summer is the most recent example that comes to mind. I've read quotes from other recruits/parents in the past. Both players/parents we've landed and not landed.

Now apparently some of you guys would tell the recruits exactly what they want to hear in order to land the players you want. I prefer the more ethical and honest approach even if it bruises your little internet ego some.

Again, whatever he's telling these top guys (Swanigan being the exception, but that wasn't exactly a slam dunk recruiting process), it aint working.
And, I could care less what he tells Spike Albrecht. It's not like the Top 10 problems were falling all over themselves to get him.

 

[TC4THREE]

Again, whatever he's telling these top guys (Swanigan being the exception, but that wasn't exactly a slam dunk recruiting process), it aint working.
And, I could care less what he tells Spike Albrecht. It's not like the Top 10 problems were falling all over themselves to get him.

Like I said, it sounds like you're advocating him telling these recruits whatever they want to hear, including lies, to land them. I don't think that's his style and I don't think that should be his style. That's why I don't get bent out of shape and a top 25 recruit trims his list down and leaves us off and you do.

 

[bonefish1]

Like I said, it sounds like you're advocating him telling these recruits whatever they want to hear, including lies, to land them. I don't think that's his style and I don't think that should be his style. That's why I don't get bent out of shape and a top 25 recruit trims his list down and leaves us off and you do.

who said anything about telling lies or being dishonest? There are ways to tell a recruit what they want/need to hear in order to convince them that Purdue is the best fit without lying or making promises you can't keep.
It could just be that MP isn't a very convincing sales person. Unfortunately, that's a HUGE part of being a head coach in a big time program.
He'll get 3-4 guys to commit this year. The question is, are these guys Final Four type talent or Sweet 16 talent?

 

[TC4THREE]

who said anything about telling lies or being dishonest? There are ways to tell a recruit what they want/need to hear in order to convince them that Purdue is the best fit without lying or making promises you can't keep.

2 points.

1. Purdue probably isn't the best choice for each and every recruit we want and that extends to reasons beyond just coaching.

2. Even if Purdue is the best option and he tells the recruit exactly why Purdue is his best choice, that doesn't mean the 16 or 17 year old kid will listen and follow through on that or have influences that will drive that point home. When you're a teenager, you don't always follow the same logic an adult might.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

All these offers are on the table for solid players, and no one signs.

I would have thought by now Painter would have had one or two commits, so what if....

Did we really need another thread to beat to death the same topic that has been beat to death repeatedly recently? I can just look at who is posting and know what will be said. At some point, there are only so many ways to repeat the exact same argument.

 

[Dryfly88]

Did we really need another thread to beat to death the same topic that has been beat to death repeatedly recently? I can just look at who is posting and know what will be said. At some point, there are only so many ways to repeat the exact same argument.

While I'm with you that it is pretty predictable what the regulars are going to post, this is a board about PU basketball. This time of year there really aren't that many different things to talk about. Can November get here please??!!

 

[BoilerBiker]

who said anything about telling lies or being dishonest? There are ways to tell a recruit what they want/need to hear in order to convince them that Purdue is the best fit without lying or making promises you can't keep.
It could just be that MP isn't a very convincing sales person. Unfortunately, that's a HUGE part of being a head coach in a big time program.
He'll get 3-4 guys to commit this year. The question is, are these guys Final Four type talent or Sweet 16 talent?

i recall painter talking about the haas recruitment -
more or less, haas & family thought painter was not that interested when they asked what advice he would give if it were his son possibly de-committing (wake). painter said he would encourage to keep the commitment. it was not until the next/following days when they talked again, that painter was able to clarify and confirm that - yes, i do really want IH, i was simply answering the question!

maybe sometimes it is that kind of honesty to a fault (e.g. answering honey how do i look).
you know many other coaches would give drastically diff feedback (which goes all the way back to zeller, and where i think cmp became (justifiably) both jaded on recruiting for awhile and began different approaches to it).

 

[boilersallthewaynow]

What if? Nothing. Well, the negative sky is fallong posts on here will be in abundance.

Reality is recruiting is a crap shoot and I'm not going to read in to it one way or another.

You tell 'em fella. Why if this board weren't the personal property of Kesselschmuck, Boiledsteel,Dakotagirlie and of course yourself , hell there just wouldn't be any reason for this forum to exist.
Please do tell the rest of us low life's ,
How to think
What to say
What religion should we practice
How should we vote
What should I believe in
What is my favorite color
Does God really exist

You egomaniacs make me sick
Pompous
Know it all
Self righteous


Let people express their own thoughts
We don't owe you "people" SHIT !

If the above rings any bells with you "people"it's because that is exactly what you sound like.

The rest of you please do keep posting. You don't owe those poor excuses a thing.

 

[tjreese]

If MP misses out on all of the top 5 or so Indiana kids and doesn't land a single one, then it's an absolute failure in recruiting.
What other conditions do you want in order to land a Top 10 recruiting class?
If the class ends up being a bunch of 2nd or 3rd tier kids that we only starting recruiting recently and who we're taking from lower level programs, then I believe the new AD has got to start setting the wheels in motion.

Matt will be judged by the teams play on the court, not the perceptions others may have of who should have been recruited and who not. If he wins to an expected level he will meet the standard. If he doesn't win to a perceived level he will not. We all agree that there is a positive correlation with star power and rankings, just like higher aptitude students many times do better in school, but like academic achievement so too is basketball achievement.

If he doesn't do well in 2017 and it shows up in a couple of years, then I think things could get hot, but they won't get hot "if" he strikes out on perceived high quality players in 2017.

 

[BBG]

You tell 'em fella. Why if this board weren't the personal property of Kesselschmuck, Boiledsteel,Dakotagirlie and of course yourself , hell there just wouldn't be any reason for this forum to exist.
Please do tell the rest of us low life's ,
How to think
What to say
What religion should we practice
How should we vote
What should I believe in
What is my favorite color
Does God really exist

You egomaniacs make me sick
Pompous
Know it all
Self righteous


Let people express their own thoughts
We don't owe you "people" SHIT !

If the above rings any bells with you "people"it's because that is exactly what you sound like.

The rest of you please do keep posting. You don't owe those poor excuses a thing.

You know it's rather ironic you make a post like that considering you are exactly the thing you posted about here.

To the very letter.

Someone needs some midol.

 

[mathboy]

You tell 'em fella. Why if this board weren't the personal property of Kesselschmuck, Boiledsteel,Dakotagirlie and of course yourself , hell there just wouldn't be any reason for this forum to exist.
Please do tell the rest of us low life's ,
How to think
What to say
What religion should we practice
How should we vote
What should I believe in
What is my favorite color
Does God really exist

You egomaniacs make me sick
Pompous
Know it all
Self righteous


Let people express their own thoughts
We don't owe you "people" SHIT !

If the above rings any bells with you "people"it's because that is exactly what you sound like.

The rest of you please do keep posting. You don't owe those poor excuses a thing.

Perhaps we should start any discussion on here with a group hug, and then pass out participation trophies so everyone can feel good? You call others pompous and self righteous, while posting this crap? Wow! You are the very definition of a hypocrite.

On the other hand, I should have expected nothing less from you.

I recommend you grow up, and grow a pair. If you post an opinion, pro or con, people on this board will contest it, if they disagree. That goes for me and everyone else on here. I don't expect all board participants to agree with me, but I do respect their opinions (you may be the exception). That is what these boards are all about. Deal with it.

Can't deal with it? Then turn off the PC, walk away, and don't come back here. You will have a much quieter life if you run about believing everyone agrees with you without ever testing that erroneous thought.

 

[BoiledSteel]

You tell 'em fella. Why if this board weren't the personal property of Kesselschmuck, Boiledsteel,Dakotagirlie and of course yourself , hell there just wouldn't be any reason for this forum to exist.
Please do tell the rest of us low life's ,
How to think
What to say
What religion should we practice
How should we vote
What should I believe in
What is my favorite color
Does God really exist

You egomaniacs make me sick
Pompous
Know it all
Self righteous


Let people express their own thoughts
We don't owe you "people" SHIT !

If the above rings any bells with you "people"it's because that is exactly what you sound like.

The rest of you please do keep posting. You don't owe those poor excuses a thing.

Talk about taking things out of context. So let me see if I got your point, It's okay to make posts with your opinion as long as they agree with your line of views. If not then they automatically are assumed to be telling people how to post right?

I mean let's take the fact that in the post you quoted they were offering their opinion and not telling anyone how to post, but somehow you took that as me and others telling people how to post? This has to be a joke right?

Seriously, go screw yourself right up there in your ivory tower. Tell me, do you even have friends that will hear you cry like this when people don't agree with your position?

You need a reality check and stop trying to police the board. People are allowed to have differing non-negative opinions contrary to you belief. You do not own this board and if you can't handle people not agreeing with you, go start your own forum where you can control what is said there.

 

[TC4THREE]

You tell 'em fella. Why if this board weren't the personal property of Kesselschmuck, Boiledsteel,Dakotagirlie and of course yourself , hell there just wouldn't be any reason for this forum to exist.
Please do tell the rest of us low life's ,
How to think
What to say
What religion should we practice
How should we vote
What should I believe in
What is my favorite color
Does God really exist

You egomaniacs make me sick
Pompous
Know it all
Self righteous


Let people express their own thoughts
We don't owe you "people" SHIT !

If the above rings any bells with you "people"it's because that is exactly what you sound like.

The rest of you please do keep posting. You don't owe those poor excuses a thing.

That's quite the whine. Need a tissue?

Here's how it works. This is an internet message board for the public that is subject to the rules and guidelines GBI has set forth. You are entitled to express your thoughts here. Nobody is stopping you. What you really want is to be able to express your thoughts without them being exposed for how flawed they are. Sorry. You aren't entitled to that and as far as I'm concerned I'm going to point out your flawed logic as often as you keep posting it.

And no, you don't owe me anything just like I don't owe you anything.

 

[Kesselschmiede]

You tell 'em fella. Why if this board weren't the personal property of Kesselschmuck, Boiledsteel,Dakotagirlie and of course yourself , hell there just wouldn't be any reason for this forum to exist.
Please do tell the rest of us low life's ,
How to think
What to say
What religion should we practice
How should we vote
What should I believe in
What is my favorite color
Does God really exist

You egomaniacs make me sick
Pompous
Know it all
Self righteous


Let people express their own thoughts
We don't owe you "people" SHIT !

If the above rings any bells with you "people"it's because that is exactly what you sound like.

The rest of you please do keep posting. You don't owe those poor excuses a thing.

Hahaha wow. What a self-entitled dumbass post! Go change your diaper, get a pair of nuts and stop being such a whiney little girl.

You're like that 5 year old that runs to their mommy when someone doesn't agree with them. This is the single funniest and most pathetic thing I have read in a long time. All because most of us on here don't agree with you or the other negatwitts. Get a life loser.

 

[mathboy]

I am pretty much certain that boilersallthewaynow is not a real Purdue Grad. Nobody can be that...(you fill in the blank- I will use "thick" to be nice) thick, and have gone to a school like Purdue. Into the Troll pile with RealDeal for you.

 

[TC4THREE]

I am pretty much certain that boilersallthewaynow is not a real Purdue Grad. Nobody can be that...(you fill in the blank- I will use "thick" to be nice) thick, and have gone to a school like Purdue. Into the Troll pile with RealDeal for you.

He probably ran off looking for a "safe space".

 

[SIBoiler2]

Matt will be judged by the teams play on the court, not the perceptions others may have of who should have been recruited and who not. If he wins to an expected level he will meet the standard. If he doesn't win to a perceived level he will not. We all agree that there is a positive correlation with star power and rankings, just like higher aptitude students many times do better in school, but like academic achievement so too is basketball achievement.

If he doesn't do well in 2017 and it shows up in a couple of years, then I think things could get hot, but they won't get hot "if" he strikes out on perceived high quality players in 2017.

Things will get hot on here if he strikes out in recruiting this year but not in the office where it really counts. Glad I don't have 80% of these guys as a boss.

 

[TheRealDeal73]

It's so funny when someone has a negative opinion about Purdue or the coaching staff the person always is a troll and they live in a trailer park. Never thought I'd see the day where Purdue fans was okay with being average. We bring up everything that's wrong with Purdue right now like getting beat in the first round two years in a row with NBA Talent on your squad. There's not getting to a final four in 12 years sweet 16 as far as we've been but unfortunately that don't concern anybody out here but the way people spell and not put punctuation marks is more important. Still waiting on the information you have that makes Matt Painter an above-average coach. Crazy thing is the national board agrees with me.