How Painter stays

[Wolegib]

I agree the younger more talented players should get more playing time at least in the beginning of the year .

However, what is not being mentioned is all those early seasons wins were crucial in Purdue receiving their lofty ncaa tournament seedings. If Purdue had lost to UNC and Marquette and Gonzaga and all the rest by playing younger players, they would have been a 4th seed at best.

While I would like to see Renn play more than Morton, the facts are Painter has given a lot of playing time to true freshman for the past decade. If the freshman proves he’s ready, painter doesn’t hesitate to play him. Part of the issues with Eastern was that he played a lot as a freshman creating huge expectations for his sophomore year.

Smith and Loyer started last year. If Miles proves he’s ready, he will play!

 

[Gemini95]

However, what is not being mentioned is all those early seasons wins were crucial in Purdue receiving their lofty ncaa tournament seedings. If Purdue had lost to UNC and Marquette and Gonzaga and all the rest by playing younger players, they would have been a 4th seed at best.

A 4th seed? like UConn? The horror.

 

[northside100]

A 4th seed? like UConn? The horror.

2 of the last 40 NCAAT champs have been 4 seeds, 25 were 1 seeds. I've stated elsewhere that I'm in favor of focusing on process and playing through issues, even if it means a couple more losses, but there's definitely a balance of the two required.

 

[Gemini95]

2 of the last 40 NCAAT champs have been 4 seeds, 25 were 1 seeds. I've stated elsewhere that I'm in favor of focusing on process and playing through issues, even if it means a couple more losses, but there's definitely a balance of the two required.

Agree. Just thought it was funny that's the example he chose.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

Somewhat Agree. I'm not sold on the idea that Loyer has locked down the 2, He might. If he shoots 40% three he's a lock but if he continues to struggle from 3 (I don't think he will) the two is wide open because he doesn't bring a lot of intangibles to the table.

I'm also one that believes 3 out of our best 5 guys play the same position. Trey should be a Jr and you can see he as talent but if he can't get on the floor more than 10 minutes a game it doesn't help Purdue all that much. If you think about it at any given time your going to have Furst and Trey on the bench while Morton is out there doing his thing. Not ideal.

Yeh, unless you hold to the theory that ALL the guys have to be guarded.

 

[Wolegib]

My point was that Purdue gained a higher seed than they probably deserved the last 3 years based on their early season non conference wins. Without them their seeding would have been a lot lower and the likelihood would also be they would receive a less than favorable matchup and first round location to play in. Although lately those favorable matchups and locations have not helped Purdue.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

Somewhat Agree. I'm not sold on the idea that Loyer has locked down the 2, He might. If he shoots 40% three he's a lock but if he continues to struggle from 3 (I don't think he will) the two is wide open because he doesn't bring a lot of intangibles to the table.

I'm also one that believes 3 out of our best 5 guys play the same position. Trey should be a Jr and you can see he as talent but if he can't get on the floor more than 10 minutes a game it doesn't help Purdue all that much. If you think about it at any given time your going to have Furst and Trey on the bench while Morton is out there doing his thing. Not ideal.

Loyer is a pretty good help defender and a decent passer that keeps the ball moving. I think the coaches would disagree on the intangibles thing.

 

[wawasee]

I talked to a big Purdue donor this weekend. He told me that the AD said Painter can coach at Purdue as long as he wants too.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I talked to a big Purdue donor this weekend. He told me that the AD said Painter can coach at Purdue as long as he wants too.

I believe it. No one I know who is close to the program has ever indicated that he has ever been in any trouble with Bobinski.

 

[Wheels Of Steel]

I have always thought that this was one of the silliest threads ever started on this site, but I've refrained from weighing in until now. But enough is enough. I am in no way a "big Purdue donor," but I guess you could describe me as a "moderate Purdue donor." I know Mike Bobinski reasonably well, and I can assure any readers interested in "how Painter can stay," that he can, and will, stay as long as he damn well pleases.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I have always thought that this was one of the silliest threads ever started on this site, but I've refrained from weighing in until now. But enough is enough. I am in no way a "big Purdue donor," but I guess you could describe me as a "moderate Purdue donor." I know Mike Bobinski reasonably well, and I can assure any readers interested in "how Painter can stay," that he can, and will, stay as long as he damn well pleases.

Uh oh.....somebody better check on Lenny.......

 

[Boiler Buck]

I have always thought that this was one of the silliest threads ever started on this site, but I've refrained from weighing in until now. But enough is enough. I am in no way a "big Purdue donor," but I guess you could describe me as a "moderate Purdue donor." I know Mike Bobinski reasonably well, and I can assure any readers interested in "how Painter can stay," that he can, and will, stay as long as he damn well pleases.

Silly. Yep ....I laugh every time I see the thread. CMP will retire here if he wants.

 

[tjreese]

I have always thought that this was one of the silliest threads ever started on this site, but I've refrained from weighing in until now. But enough is enough. I am in no way a "big Purdue donor," but I guess you could describe me as a "moderate Purdue donor." I know Mike Bobinski reasonably well, and I can assure any readers interested in "how Painter can stay," that he can, and will, stay as long as he damn well pleases.

@wawasee @New Pal Boiler No surprise on my end with either Bobinski or some fans. That is just the way it is...and always has been at every level

 

[Heads up BOILER]

I have always thought that this was one of the silliest threads ever started on this site, but I've refrained from weighing in until now. But enough is enough. I am in no way a "big Purdue donor," but I guess you could describe me as a "moderate Purdue donor." I know Mike Bobinski reasonably well, and I can assure any readers interested in "how Painter can stay," that he can, and will, stay as long as he damn well pleases.

In my opinion you’re Spot on!

 

[wawasee]

I believe it. No one I know who is close to the program has ever indicated that he has ever been in any trouble with Bobinski.

The family has donated seven figures to Purdue. Great people big Boiler supporters.

 

[bonefish1]

I have always thought that this was one of the silliest threads ever started on this site, but I've refrained from weighing in until now. But enough is enough. I am in no way a "big Purdue donor," but I guess you could describe me as a "moderate Purdue donor." I know Mike Bobinski reasonably well, and I can assure any readers interested in "how Painter can stay," that he can, and will, stay as long as he damn well pleases.

Silly threads are what make anonymous internet discussion forums entertaining.
I think Keady probably had the same life time protection as Purdue coach. That didn't end well.

 

[pubill]

I talked to a big Purdue donor this weekend. He told me that the AD said Painter can coach at Purdue as long as he wants too.

That is a fact.

 

[pubill]

Half the people on this board are bigger Painter fans than Purdue fans.
But last time I checked, I attended Purdue University. And there are other
coaches out there that would get Purdue back to the Final Four faster, too.

You are entitled to your opinion, but to even think a school would get rid of a coach who has taken his team to the Sweet 16, 4 of last 6 tourneys and won 3 BT titles is crazy. On top of that he runs a clean, ethical program. You should go root for all those other coaches.

 

[Gemini95]

Half the people on this board are bigger Painter fans than Purdue fans.
But last time I checked, I attended Purdue University. And there are other
coaches out there that would get Purdue back to the Final Four faster, too.

They have Stockholm Syndrome

 

[PurduePeteUSA]

Coach Painter can stay as long as he wants.
He could lose every game for 5 years straight and still stay.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

They have Stockholm Syndrome

This might be the most ridiculous statement that I have seen on this board for a very long time.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

Half the people on this board are bigger Painter fans than Purdue fans.
But last time I checked, I attended Purdue University. And there are other
coaches out there that would get Purdue back to the Final Four faster, too.

That's where you're so wrong. We are Painter fans BECAUSE we think he is the right man for the job for our Boilermakers. He's not perfect but nobody is. As long as you are working at getting better and it shows, then I support you in your efforts.
WAY too much "grass is always greener" for the other half the people here.

 

[proudopete]

Half the people on this board are bigger Painter fans than Purdue fans.
But last time I checked, I attended Purdue University. And there are other
coaches out there that would get Purdue back to the Final Four faster, too.

Top 3 team going into the season and you’re not happy.

Some of our fans are insufferable.

 

[collegehoopsfan123]

Top 3 team going into the season and you’re not happy.

Some of our fans are insufferable.

I look forward to the day when Purdue returns to the Final Four
and hopefully wins it all. Painter or not, I hope Purdue gets it done.

 

[*4purdue*]

Going by class rankings, in the last 5 years, ending in '22, the highest ranked Purdue class was 26th. 18-21' were all ranked between 30-55th.
i believe the '23 class is ranked high.
But, from a class ranking perspective, the experts don't think too highly of Painter's recruiting.

BF1... I normally agree with you on everything, but this one you're off... If there is one thing CMP can do, it's recruit & find a diamond in the rough. From going back to Kramer, you have Carsen, Ivy, Williams, heck Edey was the national POY. In game coaching he's atrocious, but he can definitely recruit.

 

[Gemini95]

This might be the most ridiculous statement that I have seen on this board for a very long time.

If you think my statement is more ridiculous than the post right above yours about losing every game for 5 years then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

They have Stockholm Syndrome

No, it’s called understanding how business works.

 

[bonefish1]

BF1... I normally agree with you on everything, but this one you're off... If there is one thing CMP can do, it's recruit & find a diamond in the rough. From going back to Kramer, you have Carsen, Ivy, Williams, heck Edey was the national POY. In game coaching he's atrocious, but he can definitely recruit.

I agree that he periodically finds a diamond in the rough, but you can't rely on that to build a program that has long term consistent success in March. If you surround that diamond in the rough with a bunch of players ranked outside the top 100, it's going to be hard to compete with teams built on more talent.
But, the ultimate determining factor of success is that non of those guys led Purdue to a FF or NC. So, the data still supports he's recruiting teams that can get to the S16, but no beyond (except for 2018).

 

[WLPU1989]

I agree that he periodically finds a diamond in the rough, but you can't rely on that to build a program that has long term consistent success in March. If you surround that diamond in the rough with a bunch of players ranked outside the top 100, it's going to be hard to compete with teams built on more talent.
But, the ultimate determining factor of success is that non of those guys led Purdue to a FF or NC. So, the data still supports he's recruiting teams that can get to the S16, but no beyond (except for 2018).

That’s the problem Bonefish. 1 E8 in 19 years. We talk about how UV got lucky to go to the F4. Painter got lucky to get pass SW16 by a bailout foul call that put Carson on line when the game was going to end. So we get that lucky break and proceed by a total choke job at the end of UV game. His substitution at the end cost us that ending rebound & F4. That is fully on Painter. The insanity will only continue each year until he receives his walking papers.

 

[Gemini95]

No, it’s called understanding how business works.

2 different issues.

 

[SCBoiler1]

Loyer is a pretty good help defender and a decent passer that keeps the ball moving. I think the coaches would disagree on the intangibles thing.

Not really a great defender. Not bad with the ball and keeping the ball moving.

Bottom line, we can't have two or three "glue guys" on the court at the same time. Someone has to be able to hit the three at a good clip to make the offense work. At this point if its not coming from the 2 position we're going to be pretty one dimensional on offense.

I think Loyer will shoot better this year but if he doesn't.........

 

[northside100]

I agree that he periodically finds a diamond in the rough, but you can't rely on that to build a program that has long term consistent success in March. If you surround that diamond in the rough with a bunch of players ranked outside the top 100, it's going to be hard to compete with teams built on more talent.
But, the ultimate determining factor of success is that non of those guys led Purdue to a FF or NC. So, the data still supports he's recruiting teams that can get to the S16, but no beyond (except for 2018).

I know I've posted this before but I think you nailed it on this one, i.e. Painter has had some great players but a big part of the issue has been the talent level once you get past the first couple of guys on the roster. For all the complaining about his offense, general approach, etc. the underlying issue is that he hasn't been able to assemble as much talent across the board as teams that consistently make or push for the FF. His teams perform well in the regular season (one could argue they overperform) but the talent gap catches up to them in the NCAAT.

I hold out hope in that it's only been fairly recently that he's more consistently landing his 'plan A' guys. We'll find out this year whether guys that were not highly recruited but were plan A Painter guys (primarily Smith and Loyer) can hold up in the NCAAT with a year of experience under their belt.

 

[JRKinn]

For all the complaining about his offense, general approach, etc. the underlying issue is that he hasn't been able to assemble as much talent across the board as teams that consistently make or push for the FF.

Please name these teams that "consistently make or push for the FF." Going into the tourney last year there were only 2 teams that had been to at least a S16 in 4 of the past 5 tourneys. Out side of the blue bloods, who recruit whoever they want at a high success rate, no one consistently pushes for or makes a FF. Some teams have a solid run for a few years, but they don't consistently push for a FF outside of the blue bloods.

People need to get their head out of the sand. We are not a Blue Blood, and likely never will be. We are a solid top 25 program, and are pushing towards becoming a top 15 program. Things are changing with NIL and Xfers, which favors us due to talent being more spread out, but we are not a top 5 program so stop with the expectations of a top 5 program. IU has done this for years and I've always thought it was ridiculous. I hate that Purdue fans are now doing the same thing......

 

[WLPU1989]

Please name these teams that "consistently make or push for the FF." Going into the tourney last year there were only 2 teams that had been to at least a S16 in 4 of the past 5 tourneys. Out side of the blue bloods, who recruit whoever they want at a high success rate, no one consistently pushes for or makes a FF. Some teams have a solid run for a few years, but they don't consistently push for a FF outside of the blue bloods.

People need to get their head out of the sand. We are not a Blue Blood, and likely never will be. We are a solid top 25 program, and are pushing towards becoming a top 15 program. Things are changing with NIL and Xfers, which favors us due to talent being more spread out, but we are not a top 5 program so stop with the expectations of a top 5 program. IU has done this for years and I've always thought it was ridiculous. I hate that Purdue fans are now doing the same thing......

Some truth here BUT, this is exactly why other fan bases created the term… “PU Mentality”. Never going to be a top 15 program with that mentality. We had 20 years to take advantage of the Bob Knight firing. With Mike Woodson at IU, all that momentum will soon come to a halt UNLESS Bo picks up the phone and calls Shrews at ND.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Purdue basketball should be in the Final Four 1 or 2 times a decade.

Painter or not, these are realistic expectations for a Power 5 school

with an outstanding academic reputation near Chicago and other

large cities with great recruiting territory. Purdue should be able to recruit

well anywhere in the country. And Purdue has already been to 2 Final Fours

in 12 years in 1969 and 1980. This is 100% realistic.

You think NBA talents pick colleges based on “academic reputation”?? LOL.

 

[collegehoopsfan123]

Some truth here BUT, this is exactly why other fan bases created the term… “PU Mentality”. Never going to be a top 15 program with that mentality. We had 20 years to take advantage of the Bob Knight firing. With Mike Woodson at IU, all that momentum will soon come to a halt UNLESS Bo picks up the phone and calls Shrews at ND.

Purdue basketball should be in the Final Four 1 or 2 times a decade.

Painter or not, these are realistic expectations for a Power 5 school

with an outstanding academic reputation near Chicago and other

large cities with great recruiting territory. Purdue should be able to recruit

well anywhere in the country. And Purdue has already been to 2 Final Fours

in 12 years in 1969 and 1980. This is 100% realistic for Purdue basketball.

 

[WLPU1989]

Yes, some do who come from more financially stable home environments.

It's part of the equation that is on Purdue's side. Kyle Singler picked Duke

because of basketball and academics. It's part of what makes Duke who

they are.

All of that’s great but recruiting comes down primarily to the coach. Singlet picked Duke because of K, not Duke and academics. You can have all of the advantages but the coach will always play the biggest role in a decision. Most colleges are similar outside of location. K’s NCAA success is why Duke attracts the top talent. The moment Duke’s success fades after K, the recruiting will fade too. Best players want to play for coaches who can either get them to league or has history winning in the dance. You can cherry pick outliers, but that is the norm. Painter has really no success in either. Grab shrews at ND, and we become more attractive and creates hope with a new head coach, and recruits believe that they have potential to have either NCAA success or get to the league playing at PU. That’s how you land top talent.

 

[johnboiler123]

Maybe I’ll reach out to Colvin and Catchings myself. I can guarantee some other coaches already have today. You heard it here first.

Funny you had only laugh reactions. This just shows how detached from reality some of the posters are. We were VERY close to losing catchings. So close in fact, he called up one of the coaches to tell them he was decommitting.

 

[johnboiler123]

I mean, I hear you, but when you lose to three double-digit seeds (including a 16) in a row...a feat no other team in the history of the NCAA tourney has accomplished...I think it's worth putting a LITTLE stock into who you lose to. It's not necessarily an ego thing. It's a glaring smack in the face that something needs to be fixed.

It’s guard play that needs to be fixed. It’s always guards with painter. Other than carsen/Ivey/Moore not a single other guard from painter in two decades has even made 3rd team all big ten. I touched on this in another thread that we need more talent aside from loyer and smith, and was called an iu troll and told my opinion stinks like an asshole.

 

[Thadoc1]

Some truth here BUT, this is exactly why other fan bases created the term… “PU Mentality”. Never going to be a top 15 program with that mentality. We had 20 years to take advantage of the Bob Knight firing. With Mike Woodson at IU, all that momentum will soon come to a halt UNLESS Bo picks up the phone and calls Shrews at ND.

What has Mike Woodson ever done at iu?....he's had an all world player his first 2 years and hasn't won sh!t....and before you put the head to head record with Painter remember painter is 5-0 against your boy shrews....