You didn't answer his question. The answer is a very short list so I would think that list is our potential coaches that could do better?
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define "better".
Would you rather have a coach make a FF every 4-6 years or a coach make a bunch of S16s and never get to a FF or NC?
Is a FF or NC birth better than a bunch of S16 appearances?
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You sound like an IU fan when they find themselves needing a new coach every 4 years. (I.E. Brad Stevens!)
Shaka Smart - 1 final 4 followed by 7 seasons without a single tourney win at one of the easiest places to recruit in the nation.
Scott Drew - 18 years with much worse performance than Painter, until all of the sudden he broke through the last few tourneys. (hmmmm)
Mick Cronin - Probably a toss up vs. Painter. Didn't do much at Cincinnati (1 sweet 16), has a F4 and 2 16's at UCLA where it is extremely easy to recruit (UCLA and Gonzaga split the entire west coast between them) Do you think he would leave UCLA for Purdue?
Eric Mussleman - Probably the only realistic potential upgrade of your list. It would be risky as he only has had real tourney success at Arkansas (2 E8's and 1 S16), but he is certainly a better recruiter than Painter.
I personally think you are crazy for thinking Shaka Smart would be any type of upgrade over Painter. For Drew, what you are proposing to do to Painter would be like Baylor firing Drew in 2018. I'm sure there were some Baylor fans back then that thought that way, but I'm pretty sure Baylor made the right move.....
Cronin and Mussleman could be coaching upgrades, but other than recruiting rankings I don't see how their performance has been that much better than Painter. Cronin has a F4 yes, but is literally at the winningest tourney program of all time in recruiting heaven.
That's because it is as delusional as IU fans thinking they could get Brad Stevens. He is still an advisor for Villanova, and he is doing quite well for himself at CBS. He has nothing to prove, at the collegiate level, and hates the new era of NIL and unlimited Transfers.
You seem to mention "easy recruiting" in a lot of your comments? So, which school is it easiest to recruit to: Duke, UNC, Michigan, MSU, Kansas, Florida, Miami, Texas, Arizona, UCLA?
Are you in agreement then, that Purdue could do "Better" than Painter and that a short list has been of realistic candidates? There's no Calipari, Pitino or Self on that list.
I'd also check your stats on Drew. He's got 2 S16, 2 E8 and a NC. I'd say that's better, not "much worse" as you stated.
You seem to have the time to validate your own point. I have a feeling you know the results and it doesn’t match your statements.
Briefly define for me what would make you a happy supporter? .... I know a F4, but what else? ANd then ... the ultimate challenge, specifically tell me what teams/coaches have achieved whatever you define as your answer to the first question.
For God's sake. Tell us what you would do if you were the AD! Would you fire Painter? Who would you hire? Where would the money come from? What would you give the new HC to help him get better recruits. STOP being an observer and be a real person that you so much desire exists
Worrying about the coach when you have THIS team?
Make an optometrist appt!
Blue Bloods and Gonzaga (now at least) are probably the easiest to recruit from, IU, UT, UoA are close behind. The next tier including most of the large state colleges in or near basketball states really depends on the coach. I believe Purdue would be at the end of that tier, and certainly think that we could do better at recruiting with a different coach.
I think of your list that Mussleman is the only realistic option that could be an upgrade. He would certainly recruit better, but he doesn't have the long term success that Painter has so it would be very risky. I don't think Purdue could get Cronin away from UCLA, and I think Painter and Drew are the exact same guys.
Look at Drew's track record before he won a Natty. He was basically a worse version of Painter. He got 2 S16's 2 E8's and 6 tourney appearances in 17 seasons. He also lost to a 14 seed and a 12 seed back to back years, followed by a S16 loss to a 7 seed (Baylor was the 3 seed). That was followed by 3 years not making the tourney, then lightning struck and he won the natty. He also had 2 separate NCAA infractions in that time period that cost his team Schollys and post season ban along with a 2 game suspension himself.
"This" team? Do you mean the team that just had the worst loss in NCAA history? Granted, Painter is adding some athleticism, but neither has played a minute of college ball yet. And Painter hasn't exactly shown a great deal of flexibility or making adjustments (for the love of God, throw in a zone now and then!!)
Do you think this is Purdue's best team ever? Probably a top 3 in the initial polls?
Do you expect them to make the FF?
If they were to lose in the S16, would you consider that a bad season?
Once Tom Izzo retires, Painter will be the safest coach in the Big Ten.
Check Virginia and Baylor's record before they won that chip. (I laid out Baylor's just a few posts ago for ya) Purdue is in a good spot, and if we keep being in the mix of the top teams in the country we will get there (at least a F4) soon.
I hope Purdue wins the NC this year. Maybe they'll go on a run where they make 3-4 FF in a row and Painter can solidify himself as one of the best ever. I hope it happens and I'll be there if it does.
I won’t eat any crow. I’ve always said Painter is a great regular season coach, pretty good developer of talent, an average recruiter and not a good tourney coach.
Tell me where I’m wrong.
And until he proves differently, those will be what he is.
Agree that the lack of elite athleticism, I.e. NBA talent has hurt Purdue in the NCAAT. It would certainly help MP to start landing some of those guys. Colvin and Catchings may be a start.
Is it unreasonable to ask for coaches who are both better and would be interested in the Purdue job if you want to replace Painter? One without the other doesn’t seem very useful.
It has been pointed out that educated people tend to able to see through the lies and make the smarter choices!
I give bonefish props and respect! I said if you want to replace Painter, have the balls to go out and name a potential replacement. And he did! While many may disagree with his choices, at least unlike all the rest of you actually offered a name for discussion!
We talk about talented teams and well balanced teams making the final four. But there are many examples of where one player with a bunch of lesser players carried their team on their back,
Carsen Edwards basically carried Purdue on his back. As did BIg Dog, Joe Barry and Rick Mount. Yes they had some quality help. But each of those 4 players truly elevated their game to another level during the tourney.
Two other teams that had quality players on their team but elevated their own game to a higher level during the tourney were Larry Bird and Wade. They were both on a totally different plain during the tourney!
When I look at NCAA championship teams, yes I see great players. But I see those players elevating their game. Magic Johnson and Lew AlCinder were two of those players. Yes, they were already all Americans . But in AlCinder’s case, elvin Hayes was the more heralded player at the time and he had beaten Lew in the regular season. AlCinder stepped up his game. Elvin was good, but not good enough.
When I watch Purdue over the past 10 years, Rarely do I see any Boilermaker that rises up to the moment and elevates their game. Usually what I see is players trying not to lose and fail.
Carsen Edwards basically carried Purdue on his back. As did BIg Dog, Joe Barry and Rick Mount. Yes they had some quality help. But each of those 4 players truly elevated their game to another level during the tourney.
Two other teams that had quality players on their team but elevated their own game to a higher level during the tourney were Larry Bird and Wade. They were both on a totally different plain during the tourney!
When I look at NCAA championship teams, yes I see great players. But I see those players elevating their game. Magic Johnson and Lew AlCinder were two of those players. Yes, they were already all Americans . But in AlCinder’s case, elvin Hayes was the more heralded player at the time and he had beaten Lew in the regular season. AlCinder stepped up his game. Elvin was good, but not good enough.
When I watch Purdue over the past 10 years, Rarely do I see any Boilermaker that rises up to the moment and elevates their game. Usually what I see is players trying not to lose and fail.
His list is delusional.
Might as well include Coach K and Dean Smith. Speaks to the disconnect between what Purdue actually is and what some fans want it to be. Just go root for Kansas or Duke in that case rather than spending your life being miserable that Purdue isn't what you want it to be.
