Even though I think both these guys were terrible from a spending perspective.....
When it comes to the economy ...It is possible that President O did a good job.....AND Pres. Trump also did a good job. Both things can be true.
Going after Trump......again
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Even though I think both these guys were terrible from a spending perspective.....
When it comes to the economy ...It is possible that President O did a good job.....AND Pres. Trump also did a good job. Both things can be true.
You conveniently left out that the Obama economy growth was slowing and it picked back up AFTER the tax cuts. We'll never know for sure how good it could have been because 2019 was rocking until Covid. That drastically harmed the economy, yet it still grew at 2.3%.
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You conveniently left out that the Obama economy growth was slowing and it picked back up AFTER the tax cuts.
Not only that, but Obama increased inflation (see gas prices) and Reagan drastically reduced it. Oh, guess what? Trump drastically reduced inflation too. Gee, kinda like tax cuts work huh?
Obama's handling of the economy was miraculous? WTF are you talking about? It was the slowest recovery from a recession ever. If you actually read my post about the Reagan tax cuts, they got out of the recession in 2 years. It took Obama his entire term.
Not only that, but Obama increased inflation (see gas prices) and Reagan drastically reduced it. Oh, guess what? Trump drastically reduced inflation too. Gee, kinda like tax cuts work huh?
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Yeah. It’s pretty common for a presidential candidate to make a campaign promise to appoint a special prosecutor to go after the current president and election opponent if he wins. Also put the DOJ under the direct control of the president and eliminate any independence of the department.
Cute. The coming BS questions will allow you to completely avoid what trump has actually promised to do.
He'd just be returning the favor. If you don't like it, then blame your Democrats.
Dude, the recession ended within 2 years of the Obama administration. Perhaps GDP growth was slow but positive job growth was recorded 7 out of the 8 years under Obama. 6-digit job increase numbers each month. Again, sure it wasn't perfect but Chump got a pretty good head start when he took office compared to what Obama had to deal with after Bush the Younger jacked everything up.
Chump? Didn’t you just tell me a few days ago that I have to stop the name calling? Hypocrite
Be careful, he may use the f word on you, fool, while he is still hiding from his claim that the middle class pays most of the taxes.
I was talking about calling fellow forum members names while discussing these issues. That's what probably got you banned so many times in the first place.
This article lists both Obama and Reagan as winners, but talks about Reagan's as a much better recovery as a whole. How can that be if he was using Voo Doo economics? Are you telling me Voo Doo is real?!
How recessions haunted three presidents, and how two others recovered
Gross domestic product (GDP) in the U.S. shrunk between April and June, according to data released Thursday morning by the Commerce Department, marking the second-straight quarter of economic contr…
thehill.com
President Obama: Taming the Great Recession
The nation’s first Black president took office with the nation’s economy on the brink of catastrophe.In January 2009, the month of President Obama’s inauguration, the United States lost almost 600,000 jobs. Unemployment continued to climb for most of the rest of the year, eventually peaking at 10 percent in October 2009.
Progress, at least on the jobs question, proved painfully slow. The unemployment rate would not fall below 9 percent for another two years — by which point Democrats had lost control of the House in 2010’s midterm elections.
Wtf are you gonna believe? You are already convinced trump is innocent before the trial.
Biden didn’t promise to go after trump and take over who the DOJ prosecutes. Trump has now done that twice. He couldn’t get two AGs to prosecute HC. He will make sure to hire one who will this time if elected.
There are a lot of things that goes into improving the economy or even jack up the economy. If the tax breaks increased the tax revenue, fine. Did voodoo economics specifically trickle money down to the common folks? Because that is what the repubs touted specifically on why they liked it. It did not and never will.This article lists both Obama and Reagan as winners, but talks about Reagan's as a much better recovery as a whole. How can that be if he was using Voo Doo economics? Are you telling me Voo Doo is real?!
How recessions haunted three presidents, and how two others recovered
Gross domestic product (GDP) in the U.S. shrunk between April and June, according to data released Thursday morning by the Commerce Department, marking the second-straight quarter of economic contr…
President Obama: Taming the Great Recession
The nation’s first Black president took office with the nation’s economy on the brink of catastrophe.
In January 2009, the month of President Obama’s inauguration, the United States lost almost 600,000 jobs. Unemployment continued to climb for most of the rest of the year, eventually peaking at 10 percent in October 2009.
Progress, at least on the jobs question, proved painfully slow. The unemployment rate would not fall below 9 percent for another two years — by which point Democrats had lost control of the House in 2010’s midterm elections.
Never said that Biden said he was going to do that. I also never said that I believed Trump was 100% innocent. I don't know.
What I do believe is that going after Trump and not after Biden or Hillary for what they did with classified documents is a clear form of political prosecution. Which is exactly what Trump is planning to do. He'd just be returning the favor.
Also wouldn't surprise me one bit if Trump didn't do much of anything if he got back into office. He also promised to "lock her up" the first time around and he didn't pursue that. Well, maybe this time he will since they've done everything they can to get him on much lesser and non existent charges.
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Nope. No Republican has ever said money trickles down. That's Democrat verbiage.
So you're going to claim that when the economy is booming, no matter who is overseeing it (Reagan, Obama, Trump) that the middle class don't see benefits from it? Are you seriously making that argument?
You see only in one dimension. A lot of that is because you listen to and believe in flawed, one dimensional arguments. The middle class can benefit in a lot of ways other than just increased wages. The best form of wage growth (without it actually growing) is through reduced inflation and reduced taxes. Both of which occurred under Reagan and Trump.
Lol. So these are lesser and non existent charges but you haven’t made up your mind?
You’re not sure trump is guilty but you are sure this is political prosecution i.e. not legitimate. You’re so full of sh!t. You won’t go all in and say trump isn’t guilty but everything else you say says this is political. Can you bring yourself to say that if he is guilty then the prosecution wasn’t political?
Since you’re so up to date on the issues, explain to me how what HC and Biden did are the same as what trump has allegedly done.
He DID pursue it with HC you moron. His AGs determined there was no case. That’s why he will install a complete loyalist in that position this time. And you think that’s just fine because retribution is the goal, not legitimate prosecutions
I agree on Biden. With the bribery scandal starting to look more and more to be true, Sleepy/stumbly Joe is gonna be in some hot water.
Lol he also still believes Haitians were whipped at the border and is in hiding over that too. Fauxgrad just can’t admit when he’s wrong. The party has convinced him that any false narrative they tell him to believe is true!
Not sure most of us realized it was a joke. 🤡
To all on here.....
If you can't see the good Trump did for the economy.....why do you expect people to see the good Pres O did for the economy? And vise versa.
People that can not see both sides are BLINDED by politics and only saying what their media masters allow them too. But that is what is expected from media slaves.
You're acting as if this is the only thing that Trump has been accused of...
I'm pretty sure Hillary should have been prosecuted, but wasn't. What Trump did wasn't nearly as bad as what she did. So yes, them going after him and not her is political prosecution. You don't have to be innocent for it to be political prosecution. It just has to be a double standard.
I don't recall saying that what they did were the same. You're using a technicality in the Trump indictment to make your point. They don't have to be the exact same thing for it to be wrong to go after Trump and not the other two. In fact, IMO I think what Hillary and Biden did were way worse.
Hillary had an illegal server with classified documents. She bleach bit them and smashed some with a hammer to avoid getting caught. She had no business having those in that capacity
Biden had top secret documents stored next to his Corvette in his garage. Anyone that entered that room had access to them. He had NO legal reason to have them. In fact, he would have had to intentionally broke the law and snuck them out from the room that would have had an observer watching him with the documents.
From my understanding, Sessions said he was recusing himself from the investigation because it wouldn't appear to be objective based on comments he made during the campaign. I don't think it was looked into very hard. Definitely not to the degree that Trump is. Which is every fukking angle they can possibly take to hopefully make something stick.
We have a loyalist doing that very thing right now. So again, it would be returning the favor.
Fact…trickle down economics is money being spent on PCs, flat screen TVs, Pelotons, IPhones, etc. People become wealthier and spend their money on more luxurious items. In 1984, it was rare for people to have PCs. Today, almost everyone has one.
The US has become sooo wealthy, that the other countries are now late adapting all of the technology developed from the 80s, thru continuing innovation in the 90s-2000s.
But no, according to BNI, all of the fat, rich CEOs, upper management, white collar workers, etc (Aka the top 30%) in the 80s just saved all of their money and socked it away in banks.
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....while the middle class paid most of the taxes.
I posted “Yeah. It’s pretty common for a presidential candidate to make a campaign promise to appoint a special prosecutor to go after the current president and election opponent if he wins. Also put the DOJ under the direct control of the president and eliminate any independence of the department.”
You said “Like Biden?”
So you never said that Biden said he was going to do that?
Yeah, you did. Black and white.
My bad for not dissecting your statement. I didn't intend to imply what you said word for word. Jesus...
I know you're blinded by liberalness (which is a mental health disorder) and a massive case of TDS, but if you can't admit there's been a Democrat witch hunt against Trump since he announced his first POTUS run, then you can't admit anything is true.
Russian collusion
Stormy Daniels
Ukraine phone calls
Classified documents
tax evasion
classified documents again...
(I might be missing a couple)
So yeh, if the chickens come home to roost, they deserve it.
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I don't disagree with anything you say here but I'll try to answer your question as to why Trump didn't give back the documents.
The Presidential Records Act allowes him to keep them.
Every POTUS has kept documents.
The latest Court ruling was in Bill Clinton's case.
Bill had a number of classified conversations on tape and he hid them in his socks and removed them from the White House, at the end of his Presidency.
The Courts ruled they were his to keep.
The Biden Adm. made this very political and raided Trump's home to retrieve the documents.
If there is more to the story it will hopefully come out in the possible court case against Trump.
No, the PRA doesn’t allow him to keep official records. It was designed to keep that from happening.
Clinton did interviews with a historian while he was in office. There were no classified documents in his sock drawer.
Trump lied about having documents and then lied when he said he had given them all back. Then came the subpoena and when it was served they found more classified documents. According to the indictment, his body man was moving them around at trumps direction.
According to his interview last night, he had classified documents mixed in with personal items in the boxes and was too busy to separate them.
You need to get your info somewhere other than what trump says.
Right, because the media and the Democrats have proven to be so honest when it comes to Trump. I think you need to see my latest post on the Columbia Journalism Review.
Great argument. I’m sure the article points out media bias and all the times the media was wrong. THEREFORE, just believe trump.
The information is out there. Just take the time to read it.
I guess we will just have to disagree on the PRA as it is out lined in the Constitution.
And modified in the 1978 Nixon act.
If Trump's lawyers and their PRA interpretation hold up in court, than all other charges against Trump will be dismissed.
I did listen to the majority of the interview but Trump's speaking annoys me.
Lol. Where is it outlined in the constitution?
It was created in ‘78.
Under trumps interpretation, this week, official documents are personal. The PRA says exactly the opposite.
Why don’t you decide for yourself?
Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978
The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of...
www.archives.gov
