CPAC Hungary

[BuilderBob6]

I'm not sure how this demonstrates anything but a clear embrace of authoritarianism by the trump republicans.........unless people think Orban is their kind of leader.

U.S. conservative conference with Hungary’s hardline leader reflects Republican divide

America’s most prominent conservative gathering, founded on ideals of personal liberty and limited government, convenes in Budapest next month to celebrate a European leader accused of undermining democracy and individual rights.

www.reuters.com

 

[TMan92]

 

[COBoiler1]

Well, they think a man who lacks any substance, character or integrity (Trump) is their kind of leader... so no surprise. Disgusting.

 

[purduepat1969]

Well, they think a man who lacks any substance, character or integrity (Trump) is their kind of leader... so no surprise. Disgusting.

While the Bidens actually take money from the biggest authoritarian regime on the planet.

Can you say hypocrite?

 

[COBoiler1]

While the Bidens actually take money from the biggest authoritarian regime on the planet.

Can you say hypocrite?

Sigh... expected response given your history. I can certainly say you must be a Trump apologist who will always respond with "but Biden...". Biden is not authoritarian, Biden is not anti-democracy, Biden does not "just grab them in the pussy". Biden would NOT have tried to overturn an election (deemed fair by 62-63 courts and extensive Republican election officials). No sane Republican or Democrat would. But keep apologizing and deflecting... And I believe that if Hunter Biden got money from China illegally/inappropriately from China, there should absolutely be consequences. Same for Jared Kushner and Saudi Arabia.

 

[COBoiler1]

Sigh... expected response given your history. I can certainly say you must be a Trump apologist who will always respond with "but Biden...". Biden is not authoritarian, Biden is not anti-democracy, Biden does not "just grab them in the pussy". Biden would NOT have tried to overturn an election (deemed fair by 62-63 courts and extensive Republican election officials). No sane Republican or Democrat would. But keep apologizing and deflecting... And I believe that if Hunter Biden got money from China illegally/inappropriately from China, there should absolutely be consequences. Same for Jared Kushner and Saudi Arabia.

And BTW, I look forward to a day where we have two GREAT candidates on either sided who people can say "Wow, I don't know who to vote for!". I voted for Biden because I would have voted for a pile of shit over Donald Trump.

 

[SKYDOG]

And BTW, I look forward to a day where we have two GREAT candidates on either sided who people can say "Wow, I don't know who to vote for!". I voted for Biden because I would have voted for a pile of shit over Donald Trump.

Well that’s what you got so hopefully your not disappointed.

 

[purduepat1969]

Sigh... expected response given your history. I can certainly say you must be a Trump apologist who will always respond with "but Biden...". Biden is not authoritarian, Biden is not anti-democracy, Biden does not "just grab them in the pussy". Biden would NOT have tried to overturn an election (deemed fair by 62-63 courts and extensive Republican election officials). No sane Republican or Democrat would. But keep apologizing and deflecting... And I believe that if Hunter Biden got money from China illegally/inappropriately from China, there should absolutely be consequences. Same for Jared Kushner and Saudi Arabia.

I hate Trump. But he's no longer President. Talk about deflecting? Trump is all you dopes can talk about.

 

[BuilderBob6]

I hate Trump. But he's no longer President. Talk about deflecting? Trump is all you dopes can talk about.

Trump is the frontrunner for the nomination in '24 and the clear leader of your party........but we can't talk about him because he's not president?

Let me clue you in to reality. He WANTS to be talked about..... all the time...... by everybody .

 

[Crayfish57]

Trump is the frontrunner for the nomination in '24 and the clear leader of your party........but we can't talk about him because he's not president?

Let me clue you in to reality. He WANTS to be talked about..... all the time...... by everybody .

Kind of like you @BuilderBob6 ?

 

[purduepat1969]

Trump is the frontrunner for the nomination in '24 and the clear leader of your party........but we can't talk about him because he's not president?

Let me clue you in to reality. He WANTS to be talked about..... all the time...... by everybody .

He's not the leader in my party. He can go away...

 

[BuilderBob6]

He's not the leader in my party. He can go away...

If you're a republican, he is. You may not like it or admit, but it's the truth.

 

[purduepat1969]

If you're a republican, he is. You may not like it or admit, but it's the truth.

No, I'm a Republican. He's not the leader. Are AOC, Bernie, and the squad the leaders of the Democratic party? Because they appear to be based on the agenda...

 

[BuilderBob6]

No, I'm a Republican. He's not the leader. Are AOC, Bernie, and the squad the leaders of the Democratic party? Because they appear to be based on the agenda...

You mean the progressive wing of the party........are the leaders?

So sick of this shit. You people love to paint the entire Dem party as progressive when it suits your argument. The progressives aren't happy with Biden's term so far, at all.....because he hasn't instituted their agenda. You know that right?

Bernie is nowhere to be found and Pelisi has put AOC and the squad in their place. They have no influence, they just fk up the agenda.

Did you really say trump is not the leader of the party? The frontrunner for the nomination, that guy? The guy who has candidates, from dog catcher to senator, falling all over themselves to kiss his ass for an endorsement?


From last August, I guess things have changed.

Donald Trump is still the leader of Republican Party, RNC chair says

Former President Donald Trump is still calling the shots for the GOP, as is evident by his more than $100 million war chest, a party honcho said Sunday.

nypost.com

More recent.

Trump wins CPAC straw poll, revs up campaign speculation as Biden's polling collapses

Trump got 59 percent of the vote in the conservative gathering's informal survey.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[purduepat1969]

You mean the progressive wing of the party........are the leaders?

So sick of this shit. You people love to paint the entire Dem party as progressive when it suits your argument. The progressives aren't happy with Biden's term so far, at all.....because he hasn't instituted their agenda. You know that right?

Bernie is nowhere to be found and Pelisi has put AOC and the squad in their place. They have no influence, they just fk up the agenda.

Did you really say trump is not the leader of the party? The frontrunner for the nomination, that guy? The guy who has candidates, from dog catcher to senator, falling all over themselves to kiss his ass for an endorsement?


From last August, I guess things have changed.

Donald Trump is still the leader of Republican Party, RNC chair says

Former President Donald Trump is still calling the shots for the GOP, as is evident by his more than $100 million war chest, a party honcho said Sunday.

nypost.com

More recent.

Trump wins CPAC straw poll, revs up campaign speculation as Biden's polling collapses

Trump got 59 percent of the vote in the conservative gathering's informal survey.

www.nbcnews.com

Real Republicans don't want Trump. Interesting how you deny the progressive wing of the party when Bernie would have won the nomination had the DNC and Hillary not screwed him over. So convenient of you...

And isn't it funny how much media attention AOC and the squad get. It's almost like they represent the party...

 

[COBoiler1]

Real Republicans don't want Trump. Interesting how you deny the progressive wing of the party when Bernie would have won the nomination had the DNC and Hillary not screwed him over. So convenient of you...

And isn't it funny how much media attention AOC and the squad get. It's almost like they represent the party...

I feel sorry for you. I really do. The Republican Party in general has completely lost any sense of sanity or national unity. Great article below I agree with 100%. And I used to vote Republican. YOUR party wants NOTHING good for the country if it is seen as a win for the other side. YOUR party wants this country to look like Gilead from the book The Handmaids Tale. YOUR party can't rid itself of Donald Trump and find a f'ing decent human being who can try to represent everyone in this country.

Why do I blame the Republican Party? Because the Republican Party is to blame | Opinion

We are not going to indulge the lazy rationalizations, false equivalence, cheap gaslighting and other forms of rhetorical chicanery that have become so common to political discourse in this era. Our country is in crisis, and we owe it better.

www.yahoo.com

 

[COBoiler1]

You mean the progressive wing of the party........are the leaders?

So sick of this shit. You people love to paint the entire Dem party as progressive when it suits your argument. The progressives aren't happy with Biden's term so far, at all.....because he hasn't instituted their agenda. You know that right?

Bernie is nowhere to be found and Pelisi has put AOC and the squad in their place. They have no influence, they just fk up the agenda.

Did you really say trump is not the leader of the party? The frontrunner for the nomination, that guy? The guy who has candidates, from dog catcher to senator, falling all over themselves to kiss his ass for an endorsement?


From last August, I guess things have changed.

Donald Trump is still the leader of Republican Party, RNC chair says

Former President Donald Trump is still calling the shots for the GOP, as is evident by his more than $100 million war chest, a party honcho said Sunday.

nypost.com

More recent.

Trump wins CPAC straw poll, revs up campaign speculation as Biden's polling collapses

Trump got 59 percent of the vote in the conservative gathering's informal survey.

www.nbcnews.com

I like you Bob, you seem like an adult in the room....

 

[purduepat1969]

I feel sorry for you. I really do. The Republican Party in general has completely lost any sense of sanity or national unity. Great article below I agree with 100%. And I used to vote Republican. YOUR party wants NOTHING good for the country if it is seen as a win for the other side. YOUR party wants this country to look like Gilead from the book The Handmaids Tale. YOUR party can't rid itself of Donald Trump and find a f'ing decent human being who can try to represent everyone in this country.

Why do I blame the Republican Party? Because the Republican Party is to blame | Opinion

We are not going to indulge the lazy rationalizations, false equivalence, cheap gaslighting and other forms of rhetorical chicanery that have become so common to political discourse in this era. Our country is in crisis, and we owe it better.

www.yahoo.com

LMAO. So Kamala isn't part of the progressive wing? She's one of the big reasons Biden got elected. You know, because he had to have a black female running mate to get progressive votes. You Democrats are such f'ing hypocrites.

So BTW, what have Biden and Democrats aligned upon and accomplished thus far? They couldn't even get alignment among themselves on "Build Back Better". But yet you're sitting here throwing stones at Republicans, who currently don't control the White House, the Senate, or the House.

If I were you, I'd be more worried about what you can or can't accomplish in the next 8 months. You'll need to get yourself prepared for the midterms. Because your party is going to lose any control they had in the Senate or the House.

Flipping morons...

 

[SKYDOG]

You mean the progressive wing of the party........are the leaders?

So sick of this shit. You people love to paint the entire Dem party as progressive when it suits your argument. The progressives aren't happy with Biden's term so far, at all.....because he hasn't instituted their agenda. You know that right?

Bernie is nowhere to be found and Pelisi has put AOC and the squad in their place. They have no influence, they just fk up the agenda.

Did you really say trump is not the leader of the party? The frontrunner for the nomination, that guy? The guy who has candidates, from dog catcher to senator, falling all over themselves to kiss his ass for an endorsement?


From last August, I guess things have changed.

Donald Trump is still the leader of Republican Party, RNC chair says

Former President Donald Trump is still calling the shots for the GOP, as is evident by his more than $100 million war chest, a party honcho said Sunday.

nypost.com

More recent.

Trump wins CPAC straw poll, revs up campaign speculation as Biden's polling collapses

Trump got 59 percent of the vote in the conservative gathering's informal survey.

www.nbcnews.com

For claiming you’re not a Democrat, you sure defend them a lot. You claim to be so sick of this shit when talking about the Democrat progressives. Why does it bother you if your not a Democrat?

 

[BuilderBob6]

For claiming you’re not a Democrat, you sure defend them a lot. You claim to be so sick of this shit when talking about the Democrat progressives. Why does it bother you if your not a Democrat?

I'm sick of some republicans portraying all Dems as far left progressives to score their political points ........just as I'm sick of some Dems labeling all pubs as white supremacists etc. We just have few of latter and several of the former on this board. That tends to skew my replies.

Admittedly, I do label trump republicans here all the time.......because they are far different than traditional pubs, not a good thing, and they all tend to march in a straight line. Like you.

Spreading misinformation about others or issues or events should bother anybody of any political persuasion.

The facts of the title of this thread are clear. Doesn't it bother you that the trump republicans are aligning with Orban? Is Hungary what you want our country to be?

 

[Riveting]

I'm sick of some republicans portraying all Dems as far left progressives to score their political points ........just as I'm sick of some Dems labeling all pubs as white supremacists etc. We just have few of latter and several of the former on this board. That tends to skew my replies.

Admittedly, I do label trump republicans here all the time.......because they are far different than traditional pubs, not a good thing, and they all tend to march in a straight line. Like you.

Spreading misinformation about others or issues or events should bother anybody of any political persuasion.

The facts of the title of this thread are clear. Doesn't it bother you that the trump republicans are aligning with Orban? Is Hungary what you want our country to be?

Didn't Orban just get re-elected with a strong majority - or is that beside the point in your view of democracy?

 

[BuilderBob6]

Didn't Orban just get re-elected with a strong majority - or is that beside the point in your view of democracy?

No...no.....not beside the point. They have elections in North Korea too.........and call themselves the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

I'll watch as you hyper focus on that point.........and ignore Orban's policies and whether you want our country to become like Hungary. There's clearly a sector of your party that approves of those kinds of policies.

 

[Riveting-]

No...no.....not beside the point. They have elections in North Korea too.........and call themselves the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

I'll watch as you hyper focus on that point.........and ignore Orban's policies and whether you want our country to become like Hungary. There's clearly a sector of your party that approves of those kinds of policies.

Which party is that? Are you assigning people you don't know to parties?

There is a clear sector of your 'party' that approves of the media blacking out stories that are harmful to your party's candidates. Does Orban do that?

 

[SKYDOG]

I'm sick of some republicans portraying all Dems as far left progressives to score their political points ........just as I'm sick of some Dems labeling all pubs as white supremacists etc. We just have few of latter and several of the former on this board. That tends to skew my replies.

Admittedly, I do label trump republicans here all the time.......because they are far different than traditional pubs, not a good thing, and they all tend to march in a straight line. Like you.

Spreading misinformation about others or issues or events should bother anybody of any political persuasion.

The facts of the title of this thread are clear. Doesn't it bother you that the trump republicans are aligning with Orban? Is Hungary what you want our country to be?

Unfortunately in this country there is no middle ground. People have dug their heels in and are either one party or the other no exceptions. When I was young, voting for Democrats was easy for me. As time passed splitting the ticket seemed like the right way to go. Today, I totally can’t stand where the Democratic Party has gone to. I loath their policies and ideas on most all of them. I’m not to enamored with the Republicans either, except they are the lesser of two evils.

I just don’t know where the country should be. Just wish the political discourse could come together a bit. It would be nice if either side could and would do things that would help people instead of helping these power grabbing political leaders.

 

[BuilderBob6]

Which party is that? Are you assigning people you don't know to parties?

There is a clear sector of your 'party' that approves of the media blacking out stories that are harmful to your party's candidates. Does Orban do that?

Yes I am.......based on your posts.

If you don't know Orban's policies you should brush up on them before going any further.

Wow, it only took you two posts to deflect away from Orban and CPAC choosing to meet there. Must be record.

 

[Riveting]

Yes I am.......based on your posts.

If you don't know Orban's policies you should brush up on them before going any further.

Wow, it only took you two posts to deflect away from Orban and CPAC choosing to meet there. Must be record.

Bob, can you not understand how arrogantly foolish it is to assume you know someone else's party affiliation (or if they even have one) based on your limited interpretation abilities of "posts." You, a guy who couldn't even grasp the vast and obvious blunder of closing Bagram and removing our troops before our people and allies were removed, think you have the smarts to make such an assessment? Please.

I cannot think of any other country on the globe that I would want the US to be like? Can you?

Why would I know much about Orban or any other Euro leader? From what I do know, his refusal to accept mass immigration by people who have nothing in common with Hungary is a sound decision from the point of view of Hungary, which may be why he was re-elected. So in that respect, I wish the US was more like Hungary is refusing to accept people who flood across our southern border outside of our normal immigration system. Polls show large majorities of Americans feel the same way. Don't you feel that way?

 

[TheGunner]

You mean the progressive wing of the party........are the leaders?

So sick of this shit. You people love to paint the entire Dem party as progressive when it suits your argument. The progressives aren't happy with Biden's term so far, at all.....because he hasn't instituted their agenda. You know that right?

Bernie is nowhere to be found and Pelisi has put AOC and the squad in their place. They have no influence, they just fk up the agenda.

Did you really say trump is not the leader of the party? The frontrunner for the nomination, that guy? The guy who has candidates, from dog catcher to senator, falling all over themselves to kiss his ass for an endorsement?


From last August, I guess things have changed.

Donald Trump is still the leader of Republican Party, RNC chair says

Former President Donald Trump is still calling the shots for the GOP, as is evident by his more than $100 million war chest, a party honcho said Sunday.

nypost.com

More recent.

Trump wins CPAC straw poll, revs up campaign speculation as Biden's polling collapses

Trump got 59 percent of the vote in the conservative gathering's informal survey.

www.nbcnews.com

RE keeping Bernie, the Squad and the Far Left at bay….Just wait. The far left will begin pushing the Great College Bailout later this year as the window to eliminate college debt gets closer to its obvious deadline of Jan 2023. In 9 months, the Democrats likely are going to lose the one of majorities the legislative branches, if not both and the opportunity to eliminate the debt will be gone.

The Democrats are waiting for Biden’s approval numbers to come back up, but starting in August or September (if not earlier) there will be a push to move forward on the Biden/far left initiatives that are stuck in the Manchin -Sinema quagmire.

I hope Biden’s numbers actually do improve as I think if they stay near 35-40%, the Democrats may go all out and push whatever parts of BBB and the GND thru budget reconciliation to avoid Manchin and Sinema’s block.

 

[BoilerBF]

You mean the progressive wing of the party........are the leaders?

So sick of this shit. You people love to paint the entire Dem party as progressive when it suits your argument. The progressives aren't happy with Biden's term so far, at all.....because he hasn't instituted their agenda. You know that right?

Bernie is nowhere to be found and Pelisi has put AOC and the squad in their place. They have no influence, they just fk up the agenda.

What I will never understand is why Biden followed the far left (on policy) of the party off the cliff. And really outside of Manchin and Sinema, and a few house members....everyone else was willing to jump off the cliff as well.

Saw a poll the other day where black people listed crime as their #1 concern. Racism was at bottom or near the bottom in a long list of other concerns. The party (on policy) is out of touch with black people, Hispanics, and working class people in general.

 

[bonefish1]

Well, they think a man who lacks any substance, character or integrity (Trump) is their kind of leader... so no surprise. Disgusting.

Oh...poor snowflake. Did Trump mean-tweet you?

 

[bonefish1]

Sigh... expected response given your history. I can certainly say you must be a Trump apologist who will always respond with "but Biden...". Biden is not authoritarian, Biden is not anti-democracy, Biden does not "just grab them in the pussy". Biden would NOT have tried to overturn an election (deemed fair by 62-63 courts and extensive Republican election officials). No sane Republican or Democrat would. But keep apologizing and deflecting... And I believe that if Hunter Biden got money from China illegally/inappropriately from China, there should absolutely be consequences. Same for Jared Kushner and Saudi Arabia.

You forgot to mention Biden doesn't mean-tweet either. Which makes him a great guy.

 

[bonefish1]

I feel sorry for you. I really do. The Republican Party in general has completely lost any sense of sanity or national unity. Great article below I agree with 100%. And I used to vote Republican. YOUR party wants NOTHING good for the country if it is seen as a win for the other side. YOUR party wants this country to look like Gilead from the book The Handmaids Tale. YOUR party can't rid itself of Donald Trump and find a f'ing decent human being who can try to represent everyone in this country.

Why do I blame the Republican Party? Because the Republican Party is to blame | Opinion

We are not going to indulge the lazy rationalizations, false equivalence, cheap gaslighting and other forms of rhetorical chicanery that have become so common to political discourse in this era. Our country is in crisis, and we owe it better.

www.yahoo.com

man..you're really triggered. It'll be OK...just breathe.

 

[Droid12345]

I hope Biden’s numbers actually do improve as I think if they stay near 35-40%, the Democrats may go all out and push whatever parts of BBB and the GND thru budget reconciliation to avoid Manchin and Sinema’s block.

I don't think they could do this, Manchin and Sinema were required to make the reconciliation tactic work. Without them, Democrats only have 48 votes.

What they could do, potentially, is scale it back (either by lowering the dollar amount or eliminating some of the programs) to something that Manchin and Sinema would agree to, then pass THAT via reconciliation.

 

[Crayfish57]

I feel sorry for you. I really do. The Republican Party in general has completely lost any sense of sanity or national unity. Great article below I agree with 100%. And I used to vote Republican. YOUR party wants NOTHING good for the country if it is seen as a win for the other side. YOUR party wants this country to look like Gilead from the book The Handmaids Tale. YOUR party can't rid itself of Donald Trump and find a f'ing decent human being who can try to represent everyone in this country.

Why do I blame the Republican Party? Because the Republican Party is to blame | Opinion

We are not going to indulge the lazy rationalizations, false equivalence, cheap gaslighting and other forms of rhetorical chicanery that have become so common to political discourse in this era. Our country is in crisis, and we owe it better.

www.yahoo.com

You voted for Biden and you like BuilderBob and think he is an adult in the room? Your credibility rests right there at 00%

 

[TheGunner]

I don't think they could do this, Manchin and Sinema were required to make the reconciliation tactic work. Without them, Democrats only have 48 votes.

What they could do, potentially, is scale it back (either by lowering the dollar amount or eliminating some of the programs) to something that Manchin and Sinema would agree to, then pass THAT via reconciliation.

According to E Warren and others, Biden can just eliminate the debt today, but I doubt that can happen with Republicans in charge of the Senate or House.🤷‍♂️

4 Options For Biden To Legally Enact Student Loan Forgiveness Without Congress

If Biden does decide to enact broad student loan forgiveness through executive action, there are several potential legal paths to doing so. Here's an overview.

www.forbes.com

 

[Droid12345]

According to E Warren and others, Biden can just eliminate the debt today, but I doubt that can happen with Republicans in charge of the Senate or House.🤷‍♂️

4 Options For Biden To Legally Enact Student Loan Forgiveness Without Congress

If Biden does decide to enact broad student loan forgiveness through executive action, there are several potential legal paths to doing so. Here's an overview.

www.forbes.com

Well, that's different than BBB and GND, which is what I thought you were referring to. But, if indeed student debt can be eliminated by executive order, it doesn't matter who's in congress.

 

[BoilerBF]

According to E Warren and others, Biden can just eliminate the debt today, but I doubt that can happen with Republicans in charge of the Senate or House.🤷‍♂️

4 Options For Biden To Legally Enact Student Loan Forgiveness Without Congress

If Biden does decide to enact broad student loan forgiveness through executive action, there are several potential legal paths to doing so. Here's an overview.

www.forbes.com

Another WTF policy consideration by Biden admin.

Top 25% of income earning households own approximately 50% of the student loan debt. Why do they need all of their student loan debt cancelled?

It's always all or nothing with the Warren/Sanders wing of the party, and they never think through the consequences. For whatever reason Biden and most of the rest of dems in power just shake their head and go along with these idiotic ideas. Can only imagine what they would've spent if Manchin and Sinema hadn't held their ground.

 

[BuilderBob6]

Bob, can you not understand how arrogantly foolish it is to assume you know someone else's party affiliation (or if they even have one) based on your limited interpretation abilities of "posts." You, a guy who couldn't even grasp the vast and obvious blunder of closing Bagram and removing our troops before our people and allies were removed, think you have the smarts to make such an assessment? Please.

I cannot think of any other country on the globe that I would want the US to be like? Can you?

Why would I know much about Orban or any other Euro leader? From what I do know, his refusal to accept mass immigration by people who have nothing in common with Hungary is a sound decision from the point of view of Hungary, which may be why he was re-elected. So in that respect, I wish the US was more like Hungary is refusing to accept people who flood across our southern border outside of our normal immigration system. Polls show large majorities of Americans feel the same way. Don't you feel that way?

You mean it's arrogantly foolish to draw conclusions from your posts? You mean it doesn't make sense to associate you with a party based on your views on immigration you just posted? How silly of me.

You seem to have glossed over other views and actions of Orban on immigration. He has stated that migration is inherently bad, said that all terrorists are basically migrants and muslims are invaders. He proposed halting all immigration for two years. Anyone caught trying to help an immigrant gain asylum goes to jail, including lawyers.

Do you know anything about the constitutional changes made in Hungary? Or how Orban has cleverly and effectively taken almost complete control over the media? I assume you know he's friendly with Putin. He's creating the autocracy trump can only dream of. He's trump but a hell of a lot smarter.

I don't know why you would know about Orban..........but it would seem like you might want to educate yourself being that CPAC is going to Hungary. Why Hungary? But just remain uninformed.

I feel that pubs and dems should sit down and create a bipartisan immigration plan through compromise. Don't you feel that way?

The problem is the trump pubs and the progressive dems have zero interest in such things. They are too busy using the border as a fundraising opportunity and a political talking point.

 

[Riveting]

You mean it's arrogantly foolish to draw conclusions from your posts? You mean it doesn't make sense to associate you with a party based on your views on immigration you just posted? How silly of me.

Yes, foolish. I am not repub or a dem.

You seem to have glossed over other views and actions of Orban on immigration. He has stated that migration is inherently bad, said that all terrorists are basically migrants and muslims are invaders. He proposed halting all immigration for two years. Anyone caught trying to help an immigrant gain asylum goes to jail, including lawyers.

I didn't gloss over anything because I don't know his views. I will take his word that illegal immigration is negative for a small, homogeneous, relatively poor country like his - especially given the immigration experiences of other countries in Europe. He would know a lot better than outsiders like you and me what is good for his country, right?

Do you know anything about the constitutional changes made in Hungary? Or how Orban has cleverly and effectively taken almost complete control over the media? I assume you know he's friendly with Putin. He's creating the autocracy trump can only dream of. He's trump but a hell of a lot smarter.

I know nothing about those changes. It is not the business of the US to be concerned about it, in my view, so why should you or I be concerned about it?

I don't know why you would know about Orban..........but it would seem like you might want to educate yourself being that CPAC is going to Hungary. Why Hungary? But just remain uninformed.

I am informed about issues I think are important. Hungary is not one of them, nor is CPAC. I pay no attention to CPAC and didn't know or care that it will be in Hungary. Why do care if you are not member? I certainly don't. My guess is that CPAC is a training organization for future corrupt politicians, but that is just a guess.

I feel that pubs and dems should sit down and create a bipartisan immigration plan through compromise. Don't you feel that way?

We already have immigration laws that not enforced, so I would much rather they sit down and hold hands and agree on funding and laws that would force the corrupt Brandon administration to enforce the laws it is sworn to uphold.

The problem is the trump pubs and the progressive dems have zero interest in such things. They are too busy using the border as a fundraising opportunity and a political talking point.

Prog dems use the border breakdown for fundraising and talking points? Are you sure about that, because I see no way that could help them win elections. That seems exceptionally stupid even for dems. Don't you as a progressive dem agree? (just kidding, I don't know or care if you are a dem or whatever, Bob).

 

[Boilermaker03]

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Predictable. Only puts on the most ridiculous responses he could find to make Conservatives look stupid. On the Hungary side, you get no context at all, just chopped up responses, by people you have no clue what their political background is or beliefs. Hack job, and typical the lefties here love it.

Also, I'd be more than willing to bet that the criticisms of Orban isn't all on the up and up. If they are, then we shouldn't be backing him. Lets get real though, this is the Left media we're talking about here. After all of the lies about Trump, I have little doubt they are pushing rumors over facts when it comes to leaders outside of our country as well. Like the idea that Orban is a Putin supporter. Based on what? Orban, as a younger man, was a champion in Hungary for removing the Communist regime. Why would someone that fought to get rid of Communism in his own country, back a Communist? Makes NO sense. On top of that, the Liberals here in America would rather have one of Orban's opponents in office? They are comprised of Communists and Anti-Semites. So why exactly do we not want Orban in office?

 

[Boilermaker03]

Sigh... expected response given your history. I can certainly say you must be a Trump apologist who will always respond with "but Biden...". Biden is not authoritarian, Biden is not anti-democracy, Biden does not "just grab them in the pussy". Biden would NOT have tried to overturn an election (deemed fair by 62-63 courts and extensive Republican election officials). No sane Republican or Democrat would. But keep apologizing and deflecting... And I believe that if Hunter Biden got money from China illegally/inappropriately from China, there should absolutely be consequences. Same for Jared Kushner and Saudi Arabia.

HOLY SHIT you have no sense of awareness here since Biden is MUCH worse in just about every area you mentioned here. Especially the "grab them in the pussy" part considering all of the groping of little children that is ON CAMERA!