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Missing wide open 3’s.

Wisconsin was in a world of hurt after most of the team left . Gard was taking a chance on anyone just got lucky with a couple of players
he got lucky with tonje and not sure Amos is “him getting lucky” as he doesn’t contribute much. The rest of his current team (besides the incoming Frosh) all played on his team last year, did they not?
 
he got lucky with tonje and not sure Amos is “him getting lucky” as he doesn’t contribute much. The rest of his current team (besides the incoming Frosh) all played on his team last year, did they not?
pretty much, Chucky and Essigian left w/ I think 2 bench players
 
pretty much, Chucky and Essigian left w/ I think 2 bench players
Chucky was a shock and Storr has been at a diff school every year since high school and was looking for the $$$.

Essegian played 7 min per game and went from 35% to 30% from 3 (from frosh to soph) and that’s all he could do…awful on defense (and still is). Some here would say he regressed and that he couldn’t play at the B1G level. But what’s crazy is that he’s at 10.5 ppg, shooting 40% from 3 in 22mins off the bench at Nebraska…in the B1G. Wild that players can improve from year to year, especially when they get decent minutes and shots are manufactured for them!
 
Chucky was a shock and Storr has been at a diff school every year since high school and was looking for the $$$.

Essegian played 7 min per game and went from 35% to 30% from 3 (from frosh to soph) and that’s all he could do…awful on defense (and still is). Some here would say he regressed and that he couldn’t play at the B1G level. But what’s crazy is that he’s at 10.5 ppg, shooting 40% from 3 in 22mins off the bench at Nebraska…in the B1G. Wild that players can improve from year to year, especially when they get decent minutes and shots are manufactured for them!
I hear ya, it's hard for kids to be consistent by playing inconsistent minutes, look at TKR this year
 
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Anyone know why Loyer is so reluctant to shoot 3s? Can someone remind him he's an elite shooter and his main role on this team is to make 3s. Leads the BIG in % but drives too much instead of "drive fake" and shoot! Last night at MSU was classic in that he only attempted three 3s (made 2) while driving 5 or 6 times when he could (should) have shot. We need Loyer to shoot 3s as he's going to be on the floor for 30+ minutes per game.
 
I hear ya, it's hard for kids to be consistent by playing inconsistent minutes, look at TKR this year
Ding ding dinggggg.

Heide and Colvin are 6/13 from 3 last 3 games. Heide got into some rhythm last night and hit shots. Myles did the same vs Wisconsin. They are 2nd year players that are the 5th and 6th and maybe even 7th scoring options.

Their roles have changed all throughout the year. Maybe it’ll be a bit easier to know what to expect for next year, if they know their role(s) better.
 
Ding ding dinggggg.

Heide and Colvin are 6/13 from 3 last 3 games. Heide got into some rhythm last night and hit shots. Myles did the same vs Wisconsin. They are 2nd year players that are the 5th and 6th and maybe even 7th scoring options.

Their roles have changed all throughout the year. Maybe it’ll be a bit easier to know what to expect for next year, if they know their role(s) better.
plus their 1st year was mostly feeding Edey and rightfully so but it didn't do much for their progress
 
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plus their 1st year was mostly feeding Edey and rightfully so but it didn't do much for their progress
yep. We can look at essegian as (small sample size) an example. He played great Frosh year. Played not at all and “regressed” (how others have described Heide and Colvin) his soph year.

But look at him now. Doing pretty well.

It’d be interesting to see shooting % and other stats for all sophomores this year from their Frosh year to sophomore year that play less than 20 mins a game and shoot 3-5 shots per game.
 
yep. We can look at essegian as (small sample size) an example. He played great Frosh year. Played not at all and “regressed” (how others have described Heide and Colvin) his soph year.

But look at him now. Doing pretty well.

It’d be interesting to see shooting % and other stats for all sophomores this year from their Frosh year to sophomore year that play less than 20 mins a game and shoot 3-5 shots per game.
he made a good move for himself but he's a defensive liability
 
he made a good move for himself but he's a defensive liability
Absolutely. But just saying, he went from 35% from 3 to 30% and went from 27 min a game down to 7 min a game. Now he’s at 40% from 3 at 22 min a game.

Colvin and Heide are miles ahead of him on defense. Their roles have changed over and over this whole season. From the start of the year, to DJ getting injured, to starting and now to coming off the bench.
 
TJ, they are talking about him making enough money by staying at PU he wouldn't have to work again (like a real job).

TJ, they are talking about him making enough money by staying at PU he wouldn't have to work again (like a real job).
True...read too fast...had over 21 reactions I needed to go through in case someone had a question in what I wrote and read too fast. Between last night and doing some tax work today...I'm drained. It is true though that he lived in the gym, but not have to work like all in this forum. ;) Good catch...
 
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If anyone would find this interesting.... (data may be delayed by a game or two)

There are 211 sophomores that have played in 20+ games, play less than 20 min a game and take 5 or less shots a game. Of those 211, 20 players have 30+ 3PA and are 30%+ from 3. Heide is 18th and Colvin is 20th. The player in 10th is at ~36%, which is a difference of Colvin making ~5 more 3s and Heide making ~2 more. Colvin has the most attempts, while Heide had the 6th most. Colvin had 4th most 3PM (3 off from leader) and Heide was tied at 10th for 3PM.

For 3P%, number 1 is Marvin McGhee IV from CS Bakersfield at ~50% on 57 attempts. Besides our two, the only other big name schools with players are Providence (Rich Barron), Marquette (Zaide Lowery), New Mexico (Braden Appelhans), Georgetown (Curtis Williams Jr.) and Rutgers (Jamichael Davis). The rest are a lot smaller schools.

Just wanted to compare them to other sophomores fitting similar criteria as them and see where they stack up.
 
If anyone would find this interesting.... (data may be delayed by a game or two)

There are 211 sophomores that have played in 20+ games, play less than 20 min a game and take 5 or less shots a game. Of those 211, 20 players have 30+ 3PA and are 30%+ from 3. Heide is 18th and Colvin is 20th. The player in 10th is at ~36%, which is a difference of Colvin making ~5 more 3s and Heide making ~2 more. Colvin has the most attempts, while Heide had the 6th most. Colvin had 4th most 3PM (3 off from leader) and Heide was tied at 10th for 3PM.

For 3P%, number 1 is Marvin McGhee IV from CS Bakersfield at ~50% on 57 attempts. Besides our two, the only other big name schools with players are Providence (Rich Barron), Marquette (Zaide Lowery), New Mexico (Braden Appelhans), Georgetown (Curtis Williams Jr.) and Rutgers (Jamichael Davis). The rest are a lot smaller schools.

Just wanted to compare them to other sophomores fitting similar criteria as them and see where they stack up.
I wonder if their numbers look any different before the first of the year, versus after they were “benched”. That obviously won’t help ones confidence, to get inserted into the starting lineup, then get pulled.
 
I wonder if their numbers look any different before the first of the year, versus after they were “benched”. That obviously won’t help ones confidence, to get inserted into the starting lineup, then get pulled.
Yeah no doubt. I also think it’s tough to get into a flow. As a starter you get to play the first 5-8 min and get into the game. As a sixth or seventh guy you may not go in until under 10 min. You’re a bit cold and need to get into the flow of things and (in this case) may only get a chance at one shot attempt the whole half. And it may be 4 minutes (of game time) after you go in.
 
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