I've heard plenty of examples of the Right legislators enacting laws to ban books, or using their power to expulse Democrat legislators for protesting against gun violence (at Tennessee), or silencing a trans legislator (Montana). As someone who genuinely try to see from both sides, can someone give me an example of the Left doing the same? Thanks.
Can someone give examples of the Left legislators trying to enact laws to silent the Right?
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Nobody is banning books. They are just having inappropriate books for children removed from libraries in which they have access to. The books are still available on the open market.
The legislators were removed in Tennessee for breaking house rules. Something that had never been done in Tennessee before. They were shouting and disrupting proceedings. Something that is completely out of character for a representative body.
As for the Montana example, I'm not familiar with it.
As far as people on the left trying to silence people on the right. Twitter files anyone??? That's pretty much what has/had been happening with most of social media. That's one massive example.
Speakers seen to have any conservative leanings at all are shouted down, cancelled or demonstrated against on many college campuses.
This is not legislators, of course, but it is the progressive establishment behind most of these situations.
The government is deciding what books should be banned from schools and libraries. That’s the problem. I thought republicans were for less government interference. Do the parents what’s right for their kids or the government? I guess as long as the government and the parents have the same views it’s ok.
The representatives in Tennessee were completely wrong for interrupting the House proceedings. Ridiculous. But not as ridiculous as kicking them out. Punish them. Censure, probation, warnings, whatever. But removal was waaay over the top.
I am all for less government. However, these liberal school boards and companies pushing these books on the kids need someone strong enough to push back. Have you listened to some of the things in these books? They are straight up pornography and do not belong in schools at all!
Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. That's not my decision.
Well, they are removing Capital America comics and Avengers graphic novels from the teen section in the library. Fine, they are not "banned" per se, but that is reducing teenagers' access to books, and way overdo it.
Here you go:
Judge rejects trans lawmaker Zooey Zephyr's effort to return to Montana House
Rep. Zooey Zephyr, the transgender Montana lawmaker who was silenced after telling Republicans they would have blood on their hands for opposing gender-affirming health care, cannot return to the statehouse House floor, a judge ruled Tuesday.
www.pbs.org
I am not talking about corporations. Private companies do what they do. I am talking about legislators, who hold the power to pass laws, use that authority to silence the opposition. Can you please give me some examples that the Left are doing that just like the Right? I am genuinely interested in knowing.
I'm particularly interested in legislators. I understand what you said about campuses, but the power is not equal. Personally I want to see Conservative speakers also getting a chance to speak and not shouted down, but those doing the shouting don't have power other than shouting them down. That's all they have and they are exercising their right to voice their disagreement (although there should be better way of doing so, IMO).
It is different with legislators. Legislators hold actual power. When they ban certain type of books or remove legislators who hold a differing opinion, that is using their power to silence opposition. Many liberals have complained about this about GOP-led states. What I want to know is if the Left is doing the same. As I've said, I am not here to accuse or defend any side in particular. I just want to know if this is a GOP thing, or if both sides are doing that.
Not all the student body, just the outspoken ignorant few.
Free speech my a$$.
Well when I was in high school, 50 years ago, I would much rather have read a Play Boy magazine than Popular Mechanics.Well, they are removing Capital America comics and Avengers graphic novels from the teen section in the library. Fine, they are not "banned" per se, but that is reducing teenagers' access to books, and way overdo it.
Here you go:
Judge rejects trans lawmaker Zooey Zephyr's effort to return to Montana House
Rep. Zooey Zephyr, the transgender Montana lawmaker who was silenced after telling Republicans they would have blood on their hands for opposing gender-affirming health care, cannot return to the statehouse House floor, a judge ruled Tuesday.
I am not talking about corporations. Private companies do what they do. I am talking about legislators, who hold the power to pass laws, use that authority to silence the opposition. Can you please give me some examples that the Left are doing that just like the Right? I am genuinely interested in knowing.
Are Play Boy Magazines currently banned in middle and high schools?
LOL, I don't even know if Playboy is still publishing. Is it? A few years ago I think I've heard that they did a massive overhaul and no more naked pictures. (Not sure since I haven't seen one in a loooooooong time)
In any case, if Playboy is still Playboy of your days with naked playmates, I can understand why it is not welcomed in middle and high school. But what's wrong with Captain America?
People fear for their lives when talking at some of these colleges today.
VIDEO: Watch What Keeps Happening to Conservative Speakers at Elite Colleges
The student-led disruptions during a federal district court judge’s talk at Stanford Law School earlier this month were just the latest example of U.S. universities attempting to prevent conservatives from speaking on campus.
freebeacon.com
People fear for their lives when talking at some of these colleges today.
VIDEO: Watch What Keeps Happening to Conservative Speakers at Elite Colleges
The student-led disruptions during a federal district court judge’s talk at Stanford Law School earlier this month were just the latest example of U.S. universities attempting to prevent conservatives from speaking on campus.
Thanks for sharing. Some comments:
1. I am generally pro free speech. I think even if the person carries a message that you don't like, it's still rude to try to silence him.
2. Again, my emphasis here is about LEGISLATORS silencing the opposition. They carry disproportionate power over students.
3. If you think students shouting to silence the speaker is bad, well, I'd think LEGISLATORS passing laws to legally arrest people and silencing them is worse.
4. The clip on the page that you shared is heavily edited showing no context on what happened before or after. That's a giant red flag. In many of these conflicts, you want to know what happened before that led to the reaction. It's like two guys playing physical basketball and getting chippy, and one of them getting called for a flagrant foul. In a heavily edited clip, you will see that guy throwing a punch, and if that's all you see it'll get you all riled up. But without seeing the full clip and getting the context, it's dangerous to draw a conclusion.
5. Unfortunately, people will look at the clip, see that it fits their preconceived notion, and registers it as another piece of confirming evidence. Hence the term confirmation bias.
So why are they banning books about Rosa Parks. Name one thing about Rosa Parks that is inappropriate for kids.
Yeah they kicked out the 2 black dudes and kept the white chick that did the same thing. You better believe removal was way over the top. And y’all wonder why I keep bringing up racism.
We’re you able to watch the whole event leading to why the blacks were kicked out? See charlespigs post above. Maybe they deserved to be removed or maybe not. I didn’t see the whole thing.
Yeah I saw the whole thing. They had bull horns protesting gun control or the lack there of. They voted the black dudes out and voted to keep the white lady. You can’t tell me that ain’t racism. If what they did was against chamber rules then yes punish them with censure. If they have to be removed then remove them all. Not just the 2 Negroes.
I don't know why they would be removing comics. I'd have to see what the argument is there. It's not something I've heard about. I do hear about the sexually explicit books all the time. Some of the authors of said books have even been shocked their material was in a school library and stated that the book wasn't for young audiences.
I'm not talking about only private corporations either. The FBI, Biden administration and other political bodies have been caught red handed telling social media companies what they want silenced. Hunter Biden story is one big example. Conversations about Covid are another big example. Things that the government told social media that were false that ended up being true.
Those people that you say don't have power get speakers cancelled all the time.
We'd have to see the context of that particular book. I know for a fact that they aren't banning all books about Rosa Parks. Perhaps the books are taking a false look back into that history, thus not wanting to teach our children something false.
Here we go. Racism racism racism racism. Do you even know how many more votes would have been needed to boot the white woman? Do you even know the REAL reason why she wasn't booted? (here's a hint. It didn't have anything to do with racism).
How? They failed to kick out the white lady that was right there with the 2 black dudes. That is racism 101.
Oh yes I can. Please answer my questions from the prior post. You'll learn quickly that it had nothing to do with racism.
Dude, there is nothing false about the story of Rosa Parks. Her story is simple. She got on the public bus and sat in the "colored" section where the law said that she is supposed to sit. The bus was full. A white man gets on the bus and the bus driver told Rosa Parks that she had to give up her seat, in the "colored" section to this white man. She refused and the police were called and they arrested her. What they don't want is for white kids to learn about is that white folks discriminated against people of color.
So, what is the "real" reason the white lady did not get removed? The optics don't look good for the republicans no matter how you look or spin it. Just goes back to my assessment that 90% of republicans are racists.
Oh! So you've read the books that they are expelling? Or you're just talking out of your ass again?
How many more votes would have been required to expel Johnson? What was the real reason she didn't get the required votes to be expelled?
Of course the optics don't look good. You have these three Democrats going on to the "media" saying she wasn't expelled because she was a white woman. They are totally lying and the "media" didn't do their job and find out the real reason she wasn't expelled.
What?! The media not doing their job?! SHOCKER!!!
@BNIBoiler Are you going to answer my questions? How many more votes were needed to expel Johnson? Lets just start with that one.
Since you know, and that racism doesn't exist, why don't you tell us the "real" reason instead of a drip here and a drip there?
I don't know how many more votes were needed. Again, if you know tell us. All I know is that it should not have come up to a vote to remove it in the first place.
I saw the entire, unedited videos of both the
Takeaway?
The fringes of political bias from either side have the potential to be unreasonable, misguided, anti-free speech, over-reactionary, more than a little racist, and just plain wrong-minded.
- Tennessee Legislature protest and subsequent conservative's vote to remove, and the
- Stanford law school woke-mob shout down (led by a professor!) of the invited conservative judge.
Takeaway?
The fringes of political bias from either side have the potential to be unreasonable, misguided, anti-free speech, over-reactionary, more than a little racist, and just plain wrong-minded.
One. There only needed to be one more vote to expel her. She wasn't expelled because in the resolution to expel her, there were inaccuracies.
There was even leaked audio from Republican Jody Barrett defending his no vote. "Then we get to floor again, and immediately the questions start coming up about the resolutions. I know what she did! I know that she did break the rules! And I know she deserves to be expelled. But we gotta do it right, and that wasn't right."
If Barrett would have voted yes, then Johnson would have been expelled, but he had issues with the resolution, thus why he voted no. It had nothing to do with race.
Did Jody Barrett vote no as far as the 2 black dudes? If he voted yes for the 2 black dudes and no for the white lady, that is racism on his part for sure.
Totally true, but is that not the point of this thread? The OP asked for times when conservative/rightwing people are silenced because he was not aware of any such instances. You have made my point- they are not wanted so they must be kept away. Why not just do not attend and listen to them if you disagree with them? What happened to diversity of thought and opinions on campuses? This is when young minds should be exposed to a range of thought so they can decide what they believe in. If you only hear one side then you will likely believe the only thing you are hearing, which is everything that mostly progressive faculty is going to be dispensing over your years at college.
This is precisely why conservative speakers are not welcome. The left fears, no, they know that if exposed to such ideas a certain percentage of young, impressionable minds will see some truth there and maybe start to question some of the progressive ideas they have been spoon-fed through the educational process.
There is likely never a speaker on any university campus that EVERYONE wants to be there. But everyone who is invited by a valid organization or unit of the school should be given the respect of being heard. If you don't want to hear it, stay away. But you have no right to decide what others choose to hear. If no one shows up, then further speakers of that persuasion are likely not to bother showing again. They should never be driven off by disrespect or threats of violence.
Let me turn this around on you and your woke posse, Tedward. There are numerous examples of conservative speakers denied the chance to speak freely on a college or university campus. Give us one example of a liberal/progressive/woke speaker denied that right.
You are on the clock. Go.
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